Police State USA

[NorthDakota]

While I'd love to think there is an answer, not sure there is. The US is simply much more violent compared to other comparable places like western Euros. Not just talking about homicide rate, but violence in general. The US rape rate per capita vs others is horrible. In short, I think we have a violence problem as much as cops shooting people problem.

What are police supposed to do when a person with a knife advances on them? In the latest case, the cops were trying to fall back, but the guy kept coming. Sad that he lost his life, but I'm just not sure there is another response. And it seems more and more feel emboldened they can do whatever they want. Some of the vids lately of cops falling back while rioters pelt them with bricks and rocks, and the one where they female cop gets run over by a truck are pretty scary. The failure to stop that behavior only creates more and worse.

Yeah I'm not really sure what people want. Police have a hard job. I suppose you could try to tell them to use tazers but I'm not really comfortable telling cops that they should have to respond to a lethal weapon with a non-lethal one that might not even be effective.

Here's what I will say though, the media needs to start covering these things more appropriately because this is getting beyond dumb.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah I'm not really sure what people want. Police have a hard job. I suppose you could try to tell them to use tazers but I'm not really comfortable telling cops that they should have to respond to a lethal weapon with a non-lethal one that might not even be effective.

Here's what I will say though, the media needs to start covering these things more appropriately because this is getting beyond dumb.

I think it's very fair to want body cams worn by all, and changes in training and policy. I don't however think there are a ton of bad apples out there. I think there a very few, and the rest suffer for it. Body cams would mitigate most of the few bad apples that are out there. Not sure why we can't start with the common sense stuff. Instead, we start with the idiotic and dumb stuff like defunding.

 

[Irish#1]

You really don't see the difference?

1. Proud Boys show up armed to counter protest.
2. Protestors show up armed to counter protest the Proud Boys.

Please enlighten me.

 

[Bishop2b5]

1. Proud Boys show up armed to counter protest.
2. Protestors show up armed to counter protest the Proud Boys.

Please enlighten me.

Well, you're clearly an unenlightened stupid far-right gun-toting Nazi racist, so I'll explain it to you. When right wing groups show up armed to a protest, they're looking to cause trouble and violence and suppress others' right to free speech and use guns to assault people. When left wing groups show up armed to a protest, they're doing something noble and good and fighting oppression and protecting innocent peaceful protesters.

 

[Legacy]

Happy to share my and so many others' views. The Proud Boys are a far-right, neo-fascist, male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence. They recruit those who similarly have Islamophobic, transphobic and misogynistic views. They glorify violence as a solution. Their founder says "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough." and believe violence is "a really effective way to solve problems" which is why the FBI classifies them as a dangerous white supremacist group. They have no respect for our laws and believe white culture is under attack. Separatists. They travel and gather in places like Portland, may attract a few racist, violent Oregonians.

The black Portlanders in the video I posted are residents and have followed Oregon law as far as gun rights and are exercising their 1st Amendment rights to protect themselves similar to those in any parts of America like any law-abiding American citizens.

Once upon a time in America, leadership in this country would condemn one and praise the other regardless of skin color.
Not to be too blunt, I had hoped some would realize those differences. Afterwards, the PBs left Oregon to return to Florida, Texas, Washington or whereever. Good riddance to scum with a vision that is antithetical to what this country was founded on. Right?

 

[drayer54]

Happy to share my and so many others' views. The Proud Boys are a far-right, neo-fascist, male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence. They recruit those who similarly have Islamophobic, transphobic and misogynistic views. They glorify violence as a solution. Their founder says "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough." and believe violence is "a really effective way to solve problems" which is why the FBI classifies them as a dangerous white supremacist group. They have no respect for our laws and believe white culture is under attack. Separatists. They travel and gather in places like Portland, may attract a few racist, violent Oregonians.

The black Portlanders in the video I posted are residents and have followed Oregon law as far as gun rights and are exercising their 1st Amendment rights to protect themselves similar to those in any parts of America like any law-abiding American citizens.

Once upon a time in America, leadership in this country would condemn one and praise the other regardless of skin color.
Not to be too blunt, I had hoped some would realize those differences. Afterwards, the PBs left Oregon to return to Florida, Texas, Washington or whereever. Good riddance to scum with a vision that is antithetical to what this country was founded on. Right?

I'd never heard of the PB until they were used to pester Trump and tossed around to re-frame the violence after the riots showed up in the polls.

I recognize that some of these isolated groups may exist, but to pretend that the problem revolves around them is ridiculous. I don't support them and share your negative sentiment towards them.

I also despise those who are coordinating violence in cities and suburbs across the country. Trucks filled with shields, explosives, projectiles, and masks aren't coming from proud boys. Pallets of bricks aren't being delivered by them either. I despise those who coordinate bail relief for them. We used to have Presidents and Vice Presidents who wouldn't dream of coordinating bail relief for violent criminals, but it's on the ballot in 2020. I support candidates who oppose this terror on the streets.

 

[Irish#1]

Happy to share my and so many others' views. The Proud Boys are a far-right, neo-fascist, male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence. They recruit those who similarly have Islamophobic, transphobic and misogynistic views. They glorify violence as a solution. Their founder says "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough." and believe violence is "a really effective way to solve problems" which is why the FBI classifies them as a dangerous white supremacist group. They have no respect for our laws and believe white culture is under attack. Separatists. They travel and gather in places like Portland, may attract a few racist, violent Oregonians.

The black Portlanders in the video I posted are residents and have followed Oregon law as far as gun rights and are exercising their 1st Amendment rights to protect themselves similar to those in any parts of America like any law-abiding American citizens.

Once upon a time in America, leadership in this country would condemn one and praise the other regardless of skin color.
Not to be too blunt, I had hoped some would realize those differences. Afterwards, the PBs left Oregon to return to Florida, Texas, Washington or whereever. Good riddance to scum with a vision that is antithetical to what this country was founded on. Right?

Unfortunately you're really naive or you're so stuck in your beliefs you can't see the forest for trees. Regardless of the beliefs, background and nativeness of both groups, they are doing the exact same thing. One is not better than the other and from what I've read on this board, I don't think anyone has condoned what the PB's are doing.

The bottom line is, if those that continue to protest in Portland would stop, the PB's would stop. That is the most effective way to take away their ammunition.

 

[Irish YJ]

Happy to share my and so many others' views. The Proud Boys are a far-right, neo-fascist, male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence. They recruit those who similarly have Islamophobic, transphobic and misogynistic views. They glorify violence as a solution. Their founder says "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough." and believe violence is "a really effective way to solve problems" which is why the FBI classifies them as a dangerous white supremacist group. They have no respect for our laws and believe white culture is under attack. Separatists. They travel and gather in places like Portland, may attract a few racist, violent Oregonians.

The black Portlanders in the video I posted are residents and have followed Oregon law as far as gun rights and are exercising their 1st Amendment rights to protect themselves similar to those in any parts of America like any law-abiding American citizens.

Once upon a time in America, leadership in this country would condemn one and praise the other regardless of skin color.
Not to be too blunt, I had hoped some would realize those differences. Afterwards, the PBs left Oregon to return to Florida, Texas, Washington or whereever. Good riddance to scum with a vision that is antithetical to what this country was founded on. Right?

So are you saying there has been more vandalism, looting, and general violence by the Proud Boys than by the left in the last year? Are you saying that because you disagree with one, and agree with the other, that they shouldn't have the same rights? Are the left that burn and loot and beat, also scum?

 

[Legacy]

YJ can fill you in on the violent alt-right groups or you can Google them to see how far back they have intentionally instigated violence at theiir rallies across the U.S. pver tje pst decade. The Portland PD confiscated weapons from the PD group at Delta Park that included paint ball guns, firearms without a license, knives, baseball bats and others from these alt-right groups. The Three Percenters and the white nationalist American Guard attended. The Oath Keepers, another far-right militia group, pulled out due to concerns that the group would engage in violence. If not for the rally, the local black AAs with permits would have not shown up at a different park. Nothing was confiscated from them. The last time they and others went to Portland driving through downtown they sprayed bystanders with paintball and pepper spray.

Don't come to Portland with your illegal weapons, disdain for laws, and advocate violence as a tool to promote a white supremacist agenda. As an aside, Tiny Tsosie from the Patriot Prayer group in Washington who got out on bail violated his conditions for not appearing at rallies and speaking is back in jail. Joey Gibson's trial is coming up. They can all go to prison where I'm sure they will find like-minded dregs of our society.

Stay out of Portland and let them deal with the violence from anti-fa. Just as I don't equate them with law-abiding Trump supporters, don't generalize that the same on the left instigate any of the property damage and rock-throwing, etc. in Portland. Violence has no place in America and should be condemned. As the FBI has said repeatedly, white supremacist and these other groups are the biggest domestic terrorist threats in the U.S.

 

[ACamp1900]

It’ll be interesting to see if the riots, looting and violence all die away here over the next month,...

 

[Irish YJ]

YJ can fill you in on the violent alt-right groups or you can Google them to see how far back they have intentionally instigated violence at theiir rallies across the U.S. pver tje pst decade. The Portland PD confiscated weapons from the PD group at Delta Park that included paint ball guns, firearms without a license, knives, baseball bats and others from these alt-right groups. The Three Percenters and the white nationalist American Guard attended. The Oath Keepers, another far-right militia group, pulled out due to concerns that the group would engage in violence. If not for the rally, the local black AAs with permits would have not shown up at a different park. Nothing was confiscated from them. The last time they and others went to Portland driving through downtown they sprayed bystanders with paintball and pepper spray.

Don't come to Portland with your illegal weapons, disdain for laws, and advocate violence as a tool to promote a white supremacist agenda. As an aside, Tiny Tsosie from the Patriot Prayer group in Washington who got out on bail violated his conditions for not appearing at rallies and speaking is back in jail. Joey Gibson's trial is coming up. They can all go to prison where I'm sure they will find like-minded dregs of our society.

Stay out of Portland and let them deal with the violence from anti-fa. Just as I don't equate them with law-abiding Trump supporters, don't generalize that the same on the left instigate any of the property damage and rock-throwing, etc. in Portland. Violence has no place in America and should be condemned. As the FBI has said repeatedly, white supremacist and these other groups are the biggest domestic terrorist threats in the U.S.

LOL... Proud boys are a nit. It's sad you are fine with all the violence, burning, stealing, etc. that is going on, yet save all your outrage for a group who has a tiny fraction impact in comparison.

BTW, like I said, and other have said, nobody knew who the PBs were until you and MSM made them shiny object.

 

[irishff1014]

There is no such thing as "shooting to wound" when considering use of force. So it's stupid for him to have suggested that. However, it raises the question why "shooting" is the default response to every dangerous situation. Should the person be brandishing a knife? Of course not. Is that a 100% death sentence in other first world countries? No. In many other countries that guy gets incapacitated without someone dying. In the United States, police shooting rates are through the roof in basically all scenarios -- citizen armed with gun; citizen armed with other weapon; citizen unarmed. The big picture issue is getting cops to use their guns less so that less people end up dead.

Maybe if people listened less would end up dead. The incident in Philly he was told multiple times to put the knife down and He chose not too. When he advanced towards the officer he signed his death sentence.

Tasers don't always work i have seen if first hand when you are 6'4 300 pounds and loaded with drugs. But why aren't the people mad with the Mayor, The Council, or The Police admin for not having tasers? Philly is a significant size city why don't they have any at all?

 

[Irish#1]

Lot of people didn't hear much about this because of George Floyd.

Dreasjon Reed was fleeing from police in his car. While fleeing, he's posting live telling everyone he's not going back to prison. I don't remember if he wrecked his car or just got out to run, but he pulled a gun and fired twice at the police. Police returned fire killing him. Protests happens the following days. The Chief of Police visits the protestors and has to leave because they started throwing water bottles at him. A special prosecutor is assigned to sort this out. Grand jury finds no criminal charges should be filed as the officers followed the rules and their lives were being threatened.

Predictably, we had some protests last night about the decision. He didn't just break the law, he tried to kill the officers pursuing him, yet people still think the police were at fault.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news...ed-grand-jury-verdict-draws-crowd/6243812002/

 

[Legacy]

One of the situations that many police departments have been tasked to do is when parents ask for help with someone in a mental health crisis. Calls to a 911 operator will always include the question "Does he/she have a weapon?" If yes or they have uttered verbal threats against someone or themselves, the situation elevates to a different level of potential action by the police. One such situation with body cam footage and a parent's question after what most of us consider a tragedy...

‘We asked for help — Why did you shoot him?’: Body camera footage of APD shooting of Max Mitnik released

In the nearly 13-minute-long call, Michael Mitnik said his son Max — who has a diagnosed serious mental illness — needed help.

Michael Mitnik said Max hadn’t been taking his medication for several days and had been refusing to go to the hospital, but had changed his mind.

“Now he wants to go to the hospital, but he won’t go in the car with us. He says he’s afraid he’s going to hurt us,” Mitnik said.

Mitnik asked the operator if they had a crisis intervention team they could send, to which the operator responded yes.

When asked by the operator for Max’s diagnosis, Michael Mitnik said, “I believe schizophrenia. My wife says schizoaffective disorder.”

Many of these people have had negative experiences with the police before or a hospital and who are resistant to usual police procedures for tranport.

The shooting

As the officers and Michael Mitnik talked, Wanda Mitnik started yelling from inside the house. The group ran inside, where they found Wanda Mitnik standing in front of a closed door.

“Did you see anything?” Ruiz asked.

“Yeah, he’s got a knife in his hand and he’s stabbing at his neck,” Wanda Mitnik said.

Max Mitnik then walked out of the room, advancing towards Ruiz.

“I’m going to suffer a lot if I don’t kill myself. Will you please kill me, sir? Kill me,” Mitnik — who had blood running down his neck — said as Ruiz backed into another room across the hallway.

Ruiz then fired two shots at Mitnik, who fell to the ground as his parents rounded the corner.

“Did you really? Did you really?” Wanda Mitnik asked. “Why did you do that?”

As the Mitniks rendered aid and Ruiz called in the shooting, Officer Eylicio came into the room and said, “Everyone back out, back out. Back up, please.”

“No, this is my son,” Michael Mitnik said.

“Why did you shoot him?” Wanda Mitnik said.

A response from a mental health professional follows that includes:

When asked how trained mental health professionals would have approached the situation compared to police officers, Anestis said, “They (police) are there to manage a variety of situations, but a lot of which are sort of centered around the prevention of crime, and that’s a different goal.”

“Folks whose jobs have been thousands of hours training and working with individuals with severe mental illness — and how to help them feel calmer, safer and what to say and how to say it, how to explain what their options are — it’s going to make it different, and they’re also going to come into this without handcuffs and without a police uniform,” Anestis said.

Anestis also responded to the notion that sending unarmed mental health professionals to these types of calls instead of police officers would be putting those professionals in danger.

“Mental health professionals work with floridly psychotic folks all the time,” Anestis said. “So what constitutes danger? It sounds like he (Mitnik) was unarmed in the front yard when they started handcuffing him. That wasn’t danger, that was a confused individual. Did he have a knife later? Yes, in response to what was happening.”

As a result, Albuquerque has moved to forming a response team like one I mentioned that is in place in Eugene, Oregon - the CAHOOTS crisis responders. Another tragic episode in Walnut Creek, California also resulted the establishment of such a response team as part of the settlement with the parents.

City in California Reaches $4 Million Settlement in Fatal Police Shooting:
Miles Hall, 23, was killed after his family called the police in Walnut Creek as he was experiencing a mental health crisis.

“The events of that day were tragic and difficult for all involved — the Hall family, the Walnut Creek community and the police officers called to the scene,” the city, which is about 25 miles east of San Francisco, said in a statement. “While the city recognizes the continuing loss for the Hall family, it is the city’s sincere hope that settlement of this civil lawsuit will provide a step towards healing.”

John Burris, a lawyer in Oakland who represents the family, said Mr. Hall’s parents and relatives called the police that June afternoon for help with a young man struggling with mental illness. Mr. Hall’s family has said that he had a schizoaffective disorder.

“What they were trying to prevent from happening is exactly what happened,” Mr. Burris said. “They were trying to prevent their kid from being killed.”

At a news conference in front of the Hall family’s home on Monday, Mr. Hall’s parents said their son needed someone who knew how to respond to a mental health crisis. They have said that the police in Walnut Creek knew about Mr. Hall’s condition and had worked with the family in the past to get him hospitalized.

Without an alternative in a city to call, the parents may or may not call the police based on their concerns for the danger that may put their child in. These situations are not limited to those with diagnosed mental illnesses, but also with those in crisis who are in the Autism Spectrum Disorder so much so that one national autism organization has developed specific ways that may assist in police interactions.

PFA (Pathfinders for Autism) TIPS: HOW TO INTERACT WITH POLICE
HOW TO INTERACT WITH POLICE: IF YOU HAVE AUTISM OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL/DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY


There are better ways that a mental health professional is more appropriate and may save lives. Until then too many parents may say "We asked for help. Why did you shoot hiim?" and in Walnut Creek “What they were trying to prevent from happening is exactly what happened,” Mr. Burris (the family lawyer) said. “They were trying to prevent their kid from being killed.”

 

[Irish YJ]

Lot of people didn't hear much about this because of George Floyd.

Dreasjon Reed was fleeing from police in his car. While fleeing, he's posting live telling everyone he's not going back to prison. I don't remember if he wrecked his car or just got out to run, but he pulled a gun and fired twice at the police. Police returned fire killing him. Protests happens the following days. The Chief of Police visits the protestors and has to leave because they started throwing water bottles at him. A special prosecutor is assigned to sort this out. Grand jury finds no criminal charges should be filed as the officers followed the rules and their lives were being threatened.

Predictably, we had some protests last night about the decision. He didn't just break the law, he tried to kill the officers pursuing him, yet people still think the police were at fault.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news...ed-grand-jury-verdict-draws-crowd/6243812002/

One has to be pretty detached from reality to argue against the police in this situation. Not surprised some do. Looked to be a small protest at least. We're at a point that facts and common sense just don't matter as much for some.

 

[Irish#1]

One has to be pretty detached from reality to argue against the police in this situation. Not surprised some do. Looked to be a small protest at least. We're at a point that facts and common sense just don't matter as much for some.

Businesses downtown boarded up in advance. Crowd estimated to be a couple hundred so not nearly as big as the city thought it might be. To the protestors credit, no destruction. Maybe most agree? Don't disobey the law and the odds are pretty good nothing bad will happen?

 

[drayer54]

Businesses downtown boarded up in advance. Crowd estimated to be a couple hundred so not nearly as big as the city thought it might be. To the protestors credit, no destruction. Maybe most agree? Don't disobey the law and the odds are pretty good nothing bad will happen?

If you are going to break the law, maybe you don't do it on Facebook live.

 

[Irish YJ]

Businesses downtown boarded up in advance. Crowd estimated to be a couple hundred so not nearly as big as the city thought it might be. To the protestors credit, no destruction. Maybe most agree? Don't disobey the law and the odds are pretty good nothing bad will happen?

Yep. I have family that still live down town. They were a bit uneasy, but not much happened. I'm all for reform, this just wasn't an instance to hang your hat on protest wise.

 

[Irish#1]

Yep. I have family that still live down town. They were a bit uneasy, but not much happened. I'm all for reform, this just wasn't an instance to hang your hat on protest wise.

Our youngest son and his wife live in a 2nd floor apartment on Pennsylvania. Nothing there this week, but they were tearing up his building right below him about a month or so ago.

 

[Irish YJ]

Our youngest son and his wife live in a 2nd floor apartment on Pennsylvania. Nothing there this week, but they were tearing up his building right below him about a month or so ago.

I do have friends/family that had their businesses vandalized then, but nothing this last week. They all boarded up again which still cost them $ and time. 2 of my family that live down there were anti-gun to start the year. They are both gun owners now...

 

[Irishize]

Unity

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Young couple in DC followed by crowd of BLM-antifa thugs who hit them and throw liquid on them. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MillionMAGAMarch?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MillionMAGAMarch</a> <a href="https://t.co/Lqo4evvviK">pic.twitter.com/Lqo4evvviK</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327742161975078913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irishize]

More unity

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A man wearing a Trump shirt is assaulted in BLM Plaza in DC<br> <a href="https://t.co/zUBSizhNYg">pic.twitter.com/zUBSizhNYg</a></p>— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1327748249789362177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irishize]

The unity is overflowing


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Graphic: A close-up angle of BLM rioters knocking a man unconscious who was leaving the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MillionMAGAMarch?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MillionMAGAMarch</a> in DC earlier today. They also steal his phone when he’s on the ground. Video by <a href="https://twitter.com/FromKalen?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FromKalen</a>. <a href="https://t.co/cf7bnkpsCf">pic.twitter.com/cf7bnkpsCf</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327765440001503232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irishize]

The Left at its finest...unity personified

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Black Lives Matter militants are now assaulting Trump supporters at random in DC. Be safe out there. <a href="https://t.co/RqZGZX4ZSV">pic.twitter.com/RqZGZX4ZSV</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1327731532828577793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irishize]

Imagine if Biden had lost the election?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BLM-antifa attack more people having dinner in DC. They trash one of the tables and yell at others with bullhorns. Video by <a href="https://twitter.com/TomasMorales_iv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TomasMorales_iv</a>: <a href="https://t.co/CD6cZtbVr8">pic.twitter.com/CD6cZtbVr8</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327760613133611008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish YJ]

BLM, Antifa, and lib rioters are mostly peaceful my ass...

Biden wins the election, and still people acting like f'ing violent criminals.

but but but proud boys, right....

I'm sure someone will attack the one tweeting the vids... lol

 

[Irishize]

Peace Sells...But Who’s Buying?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BLM rioter rushes in and punches a woman in the back of the head as she’s walking away. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MillionMAGAMarch?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MillionMAGAMarch</a> <a href="https://t.co/1lrfD4MLxW">pic.twitter.com/1lrfD4MLxW</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327737172925894656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irishize]

BLM, Antifa, and lib rioters are mostly peaceful my ass...

Biden wins the election, and still people acting like f'ing violent criminals.

but but but proud boys, right....

I'm sure someone will attack the one tweeting the vids... lol

LOL. You can always count on that. Kill the messenger doing the job the MSM refuses to do.

 

[Irish YJ]

LOL. You can always count on that. Kill the messenger doing the job the MSM refuses to do.

I just know that Toronto has beef with the guy. All I know about him is Antifa cracked his skull and gave him a brain injury for trying to film them.

I guess that's enough for Toronto to label you whatever, and dismiss any vid you post. At least it's not a secret source or subsource...


On the actual videos though. That's pretty horrific stuff. Violent, criminal, and inexcusable behavior. Yet some city govs refuse to stop it, and many people on one side, including some on this board are silent about it. Instead they yap about idiot proud boys. We don't see constant vids of proud boy idiots doing shit like this. We do see BLM, Antifa, and crazy libs doing it weekly. And .... silence.

 

[TorontoGold]

The unity is overflowing


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Graphic: A close-up angle of BLM rioters knocking a man unconscious who was leaving the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MillionMAGAMarch?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MillionMAGAMarch</a> in DC earlier today. They also steal his phone when he’s on the ground. Video by <a href="https://twitter.com/FromKalen?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FromKalen</a>. <a href="https://t.co/cf7bnkpsCf">pic.twitter.com/cf7bnkpsCf</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327765440001503232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is why a supporter of white supremacist ideals and who is a propagandist for far right hate is not to be trusted. Here's the guy starting shit before Ngo so timely started filming.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This ain’t him starting it? <a href="https://t.co/noFEtjHTdi">https://t.co/noFEtjHTdi</a> <a href="https://t.co/UZIy0gafn3">pic.twitter.com/UZIy0gafn3</a></p>— Bench Appearo (@blacky_chann) <a href="https://twitter.com/blacky_chann/status/1327767706137997317?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I will never understand how someone can watch videos made by literal white supremacists & nazi apologists and think "hmmm yes these very fine people are totally picking up the context of the situation"

Anyways, look forward to the videos showing how 3 BLM supporters got stabbed by Proud Boys. Love the fear porn, keep it up.