Paterno Statue Down/PSU Penalties?

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I'm hoping a leak filters out at some point today. The suspense is killing me.

 

[notredomer23]

Here is what I would do if I was the NCAA commish for penalties.

-No post season for 5 years
- No slice of the cake the conferences get from the bowl money
- 15 scholarships a year for four years... and I mean that in the true sense not the USC sense. They can have 60 scholarship players
- 1 season of playing home games in an empty stadium.
- Any player can transfer no penalty for any time during that duration

Harsh? Yes. Death penalty bad? I don't think so.

 

[yankeeND]

I'm hoping a leak filters out at some point today. The suspense is killing me.

Yeah I really want to know too.

Sickels, Brenamen, and Johnson are three guys I am curious to see what their future holds as well. Not to mention Hackenberg. I actually commend them for what I believe that they were/are trying to do in going to PSU to try and help that program turn things around. Tomorrow will just give them more information to make a better decision.

 

[ChiRish]

I don't they should get the death penalty. I think they deserve something on the order of a 5 year post season ban, humungous financial penalties to benefit the victims, and no scholarship restrictions.

I feel like something in line with this, plus a purging of some of Paterno's wins (possibly after the events in the Freeh Report), is what we should expect. The penalties are supposed to be unprecedented and potentially more damaging long term than the death penalty.

While I agree with GITF that it's hard to imagine anything being more damaging than the death penalty, if the entire university is hit hard, and the football program loses essentially 5 years of any bowl appearances or scholarships, it would be extremely difficult to recover from such penalties, much like it would from a 1 year death penalty.

They deserve what penalty they get. Remember that Joe Paterno was Penn State football. He dominated the University and the program for decades. His name was synonymous with everything Penn State. For it to be revealed that he actively sought to conceal heinous child sexual abuse, on an unbelievable level, demonstrates that the full weight of the football program was designed to conceal such activity. This was the football program and Joe Paterno, so inextricably intertwined with each other, working with other members of the Penn State hierarchy to conceal the horrible criminal acts of another member of the Penn State football program.

I just don't think there's any way to disagree with the penalties. I perused some Penn State boards to get an idea for how their fan base is dealing with it, and needless to say, the crazies are out in full force. It boggles my mind that some people would be angry that their football team could be hurt, when it was the full force, and even more than that, the overwhelmingly dominant face of, a program that was complicit in a de facto conspiracy to cover up abhorrent criminal sexual child abuse.

We shall see tomorrow.

 

[BobD]

Glad it came down. Took to long.

Now, I'll take an unpopular point of view on the whole death penalty. I don;t think they should get it. And I say this in compassion for the people who it will affect - not the football program, but the people whose livelihood depends on it. I'm talking about the shop-owners and the employees and all the people who need the football program to be around so they can make a living. You know how scary it is to lose your house and not have money to feed your family??? All because some sick bastard and the almost-as-sick bastards who covered it up?

My point is...hurting innocents is not going to take away all the pain and incredible damage the victims are going through and have been going through. Personally, I'd rather not create even more victims (albeit far different victims) just to punish the criminals. Like many small college towns, the Penn St football program creates a ton of jobs that you and I don't even think about. As someone looking for work in a small town, I feel their pain.

Now, I fully appreciate those wanting the death penalty, and I've read all the arguments. I personally just don't want it to happen, and it has nothing to do with the actual football. And to those that do want it to happen, I get that...

I completely understand your point of view. I think its a case of karma. It comes around to the knowing as well as the unknowing. Even the innocents gained from the wrong, so it's sad, but karma is coming around.

 

[Irish4Life09]

Here is what I would do if I was the NCAA commish for penalties.

-No post season for 5 years
- No slice of the cake the conferences get from the bowl money
- 15 scholarships a year for four years... and I mean that in the true sense not the USC sense. They can have 60 scholarship players
- 1 season of playing home games in an empty stadium.
- Any player can transfer no penalty for any time during that duration

Harsh? Yes. Death penalty bad? I don't think so.

I really like your idea of an empty stadium during the season...

 

[AvesEvo]

I agree with no death penalty. This was not a football issue. It was a criminal issue that just happened to involve people from the football program.

I will gladly take Breneman if he chooses to decommit.

These are my thoughts as well.

 

[IrishLax]

Would love to go after Sickels and I think we will. Ross Douglas is already looking around but doesn't have an ND offer so i dont know what will happen there... he's a little short but pretty darn fast. I'd like to see us get involved at minimum as a backup plan.

Dorian Johnson, hackenerg and brenneman are guys i want to see stick with PSU but really doubt they will. There are a lot of scenarios where they go someone we play and very few scenarios where they could hypothetically end up at ND.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Twitter / JonMeyerWNEP: What was the #Paterno monu ...

The monument area is empty. Good riddance.

 

[DCIrish]

Could ND be an option for any Penn St. players if the NCAA allows them to transfer as part of their punishment?

 

[chubler]

I'm suddenly a little scared of what the NCAA is going to do. There is no way to put into words the sickening, disgusting actions taken by Sandusky and the inexcusable coverup. But the improper actions of 4 men to cover up this scandal should not blow back on the university and the students and the businesses that rely on the university. The point of punishment in a civilized country is to send a message, to deter others from committing the same crime. The men responsible should be targeted through the criminal justice system, which avoids collateral damage in the name of "justice".

 

[Irish2015]

Penn State Penalties

Penn State Penalties

With the announcement coming tomorrow what do you all think psu will get and better what do you think they deserve? Personally I see something similar but a little harsher than the USC penalties. If that happens and players can transfer does psu have any cb's we could poach?

 

[DomeLover3]

They have a four star CB Ross Douglas committed in the class of 2013 but he may not get recruited because hes 5-10. We targeted Garrett Sickels, Adam Breneman, and Dorian Johnson. I think players will be allowed to transfer... Don't have any idea what the sanctions could be though

 

[RyCo1983]

I'm guessing a large Scholarship reduction...TV ban...Bowl ban...
The length of each I have no guess.

 

[yankeeND]

There are a lot of things being thrown around about what it could be. I think it will be something similar to this:

Bowl Ban- 3/5 years
Scholarship reductions- whatever the max they can strip(60-70 man roster)
TV- no games for however many years the bowl ban

Granted this is all just a guess but will be severe to say the least.

 

[DomeLover3]

Bowl ban for five years would suck. Whoever commits to PSU during that time would either be really bad at football or love PSU. Couldn't imagine going a whole career with no potential for post season

 

[DomeLover3]

Would ND take another TE? Lax I thought we were in Brennemans final group? Johnson too, though we passed so he probably would not come to ND.

Mike Farrel says Sickels and Brenneman are solid to PSU and Hackenburg and his dad will discuss tomorrow after sanctions come out

 

[ChiRish]

I'm suddenly a little scared of what the NCAA is going to do. There is no way to put into words the sickening, disgusting actions taken by Sandusky and the inexcusable coverup. But the improper actions of 4 men to cover up this scandal should not blow back on the university and the students and the businesses that rely on the university. The point of punishment in a civilized country is to send a message, to deter others from committing the same crime. The men responsible should be targeted through the criminal justice system, which avoids collateral damage in the name of "justice".

To not punish the football program, one that was inextricably intertwined with every decision and statement from Joe Paterno, is to serve the very same purpose that Paterno intended by conspiring to cover it up in the first place. His goal, above anything else, was to protect the football program. Not punishing the football program for his actions would thus serve to achieve that very same purpose.

This wasn't some random coach at a random university. This was Joe Paterno, who was the coach for 50 some odd years. He WAS Penn State. He WAS the football program. Why else would the Athletic Director and other university officials, who technically had superiority over him, cow-tow to his desires to cover up the abuse?

The football program was the excuse behind it all. This man, who had for decades had a reputation for being a good person, allowed a man on his own football coaching staff to continue to use football facilities even after he knew about his sexual abuse of CHILDREN. In a way, the football program, given that Paterno WAS the program in so many ways, thus facilitated and covered up unbelievable transgressions by a former member of the same staff. Moreover, many of his crimes happened in football facilities themselves.

To think that the criminal justice system would provide an adequate alternative to punishing the football program presupposes that it would actually deter such conduct. In my opinion, however, it would only show that a huge part of the problem did in fact get away with it. Not to mention that Paterno is dead, and the only thing remaining to punish for his transgressions is his proxy, the football program itself.

I understand that many of the people questioning the decision to penalize the program itself don't condone in any way the horrible actions that Sandusky committed. But that really isn't the point. If Paterno, and thus by extension, the full weight of the football program and the university, hadn't actively sought to cover it up, scores of future crimes that took place in football facilities on campus could have been prevented. If that doesn't indicate that some form of penalty is warranted against a football program, I don't know what does.

 

[Cali_domer]

This is floating around..

 

[woolybug25]

If that was indeed the case, they better not let PSU players transfer to USC and not count against their limit.



Also, I believe a tv ban would end up being as good as a death penalty. I believe the Big10 would almost have to drop them as well. So They may voluntarilly not field a team next year, then come back in 2014 as a 1AA team, and attempt a full comeback in 2015.

 

[peoriairish]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyCBS
Iowa president tells Des Moines Register Big Ten could add additional punishment to Penn State after NCAA's

This could be even worse. They are going to have to strike up a rivalry with near by Slippery Rock; and it will be competitive.

 

[IrishLax]

Would ND take another TE? Lax I thought we were in Brennemans final group? Johnson too, though we passed so he probably would not come to ND.

Mike Farrel says Sickels and Brenneman are solid to PSU and Hackenburg and his dad will discuss tomorrow after sanctions come out

I dont think we'll take another TE. A month or so ago i would you have said otherwise but i think there are very few scenarios where we'd pursue Brenneman now... especially with the ACL injury.

Brenneman and Sickels are definitely solid. But with a 3+ year bowl ban it will be open season. Anything in the 4-5 year range and they won't hold on to a single recruit of note.

 

[peoriairish]

And there's this.

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyCBS
Iowa president tells Des Moines Register Big Ten could add additional punishment to Penn State after NCAA's

Mods... let's merge the other PSU sanctions thread with this one. Posting in 2 places on the same topic is annoying.

 

[IrishLax]

0% chance that list posted above is accurate.

 

[peoriairish]

0% chance that list posted above is accurate.

What makes you so sure?

 

[Cali_domer]

0% chance that list posted above is accurate.

I agree, just what is floating around.

 

[t3hjc]

The vacating of records makes no sense.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Hopefully the Big Ten kicks them out.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

To not punish the football program, one that was inextricably intertwined with every decision and statement from Joe Paterno, is to serve the very same purpose that Paterno intended by conspiring to cover it up in the first place. His goal, above anything else, was to protect the football program. Not punishing the football program for his actions would thus serve to achieve that very same purpose.

This wasn't some random coach at a random university. This was Joe Paterno, who was the coach for 50 some odd years. He WAS Penn State. He WAS the football program. Why else would the Athletic Director and other university officials, who technically had superiority over him, cow-tow to his desires to cover up the abuse?

The football program was the excuse behind it all. This man, who had for decades had a reputation for being a good person, allowed a man on his own football coaching staff to continue to use football facilities even after he knew about his sexual abuse of CHILDREN. In a way, the football program, given that Paterno WAS the program in so many ways, thus facilitated and covered up unbelievable transgressions by a former member of the same staff. Moreover, many of his crimes happened in football facilities themselves.

To think that the criminal justice system would provide an adequate alternative to punishing the football program presupposes that it would actually deter such conduct. In my opinion, however, it would only show that a huge part of the problem did in fact get away with it. Not to mention that Paterno is dead, and the only thing remaining to punish for his transgressions is his proxy, the football program itself.

I understand that many of the people questioning the decision to penalize the program itself don't condone in any way the horrible actions that Sandusky committed. But that really isn't the point. If Paterno, and thus by extension, the full weight of the football program and the university, hadn't actively sought to cover it up, scores of future crimes that took place in football facilities on campus could have been prevented. If that doesn't indicate that some form of penalty is warranted against a football program, I don't know what does.

Great post!

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

It might not be the whole list, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that that list was in play. He decided to announce tomorrow for a reason.