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Cincinnati's OL under Quinn was actually realllllllly good. I think I only cussed at the UC offensive line two or three times, total, between 2007-2009. AND he was handling OC duties, where he called plays in conjunction with BK, so he had a full plate... and it was fine.

This is not splashy, but it should be okay as long as he hasn't fallen off, and as long as he puts in the time on the recruiting trail.

It's easy to see it as BK going back to his old, bad tricks. But it's more likely that Quinn's "analysis" in his off-field position has focused on OL play, and BK felt the veteran experience was more important than anything.
 

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Whatever. Hope he does a great job. Nobody was that fired up about HH either. Honestly, I think Kelly won't be here that much longer so everything will probably get blown up again then. Now go get the Patterson kid.
 
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FWIW, ISD says Quin has been offered several small OL jobs throughout the years, but was waiting for a perfect opportunity.

Ok...
 

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I think it's a combination of: (1) Hiestand having left some huge shoes to fill; and (2) many (most?) of our past hires from Kelly's coaching tree having been disastrous for ND.

I doubt Quinn will be a failure. But it seems even less likely that he'll build on Harry's success. We'll probably see a moderate drop off in OL recruiting and development; so we'll still be pretty good in that department (Big Uglies tend to favor ND for a lot of reasons), but this is bad news for those of us who were hoping to continue rebuilding the program along the lines that Harbaugh and Shaw employed at Stanford.

That is what I find so troubling. The hires of Long and Elko last year provided something fresh. While Long certainly had ups and downs, I thought both hires were a step forward. Lea replacing Elko isn't ideal, but was the smart play and worth the risk IMO. This just screams easy way out. Who knows what happened behind the scenes, but I find this hire to be both concerning and perplexing. Step down indeed.
 

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I think it's a combination of: (1) Hiestand having left some huge shoes to fill; and (2) many (most?) of our past hires from Kelly's coaching tree having been disastrous for ND.

I doubt Quinn will be a failure. But it seems even less likely that he'll build on Harry's success. We'll probably see a moderate drop off in OL recruiting and development; so we'll still be pretty good in that department (Big Uglies tend to favor ND for a lot of reasons), but this is bad news for those of us who were hoping to continue rebuilding the program along the lines that Harbaugh and Shaw employed at Stanford.

Would you have rather taken Stanford's new offensive line coach?

The 2018 season is the first for Kevin Carberry as Stanford’s offensive line coach and running game coordinator.

Carberry spent the 2016-17 seasons as the assistant offensive line coach with the Washington Redskins and the 2014-15 seasons as an offensive assistant with the Dallas Cowboys.

In his first season with the Redskins in 2016, Carberry and offensive line coach Bill Callahan presided over one of the league’s top units, producing two Pro Bowlers (tackle Trent Williams and guard Brandon Scherff) for the Redskins for the first time since 1991. The unit helped power the Redskins to the third-ranked offense in the NFL, allowing the team to average more than 400 yards/game for the first time in team history, while allowing only 23 sacks -- fourth in the NFL. The Redskins also finished ninth among league teams in rushing yards/attempt (4.5).

The tutelage and guidance of Carberry and Callahan were paramount in helping the Redskins offense overcome a season-long rash of injuries and still average nearly 325 yards/game in 2017. The Redskins used 36 unique groups of offensive linemen (including seven different combinations of six-lineman groupings), as well as eight different starting lineups along the offensive line. Members of the unit were once again honored for their excellence, as Scherff earned his second Pro Bowl selection and Williams earned his sixth consecutive Pro Bowl nod despite battling a year-long knee injury. Together, Scherff and Williams became the first Redskins offensive line duo collectively named to the Pro Bowl in consecutive seasons since the duo of Russ Grimm and Joe Jacoby earned four straight selections following the 1983-86 seasons.

Carberry helped develop rookies Chase Roullier and Tyler Catalina. Roullier started seven games at center for the Redskins, while Catalina started two games at guard and played in three games at tackle.

Carberry assisted Mike Pope in coaching the tight ends in 2015, when Jason Witten led the team in receptions with 77 and finished second with 713 receiving yards. Carberry also aided in the development of rookie Geoff Swaim. The Cowboys finished fifth in the NFL in rushing yards/attempt (4.6).

In 2014, Carberry assisted Callahan with the offensive line. The Cowboys won their first NFC East title since 2009 and finished second in the NFL in rushing (147.1) with running back DeMarco Murray leading the league in rushing and setting a franchise record with 1,845 yards.

Carberry spent the first five seasons of his coaching career at the collegiate level, serving as a defensive graduate assistant at Kansas (2009-11) and coaching defensive ends at Stephen F. Austin (2012-13). He helped the Lumberjacks defense lead the Southland Conference with 31.0 sacks in 2012 and he also assisted coaching special teams. At Kansas, he worked with the defensive line and outside linebackers.

Prior to entering the coaching ranks, Carberry attended training camps of the Cleveland Browns (2005) and Carolina Panthers (2006) and spent the 2005 season on the practice squad of the Detroit Lions. He also played for the Berlin Thunder of NFL Europe in the spring of 2006. From 2007-08, he played in the Arena Football League for the New York Dragons and Philadelphia Soul and was a member of the Soul’s 2008 Arena Bowl Championship squad.

Carberry also coached during his playing career, serving as the defensive coordinator, defensive line and inside linebackers coach at St. Ignatius College Prep (Ill.), during his AFL years in 2007-08. In 2006, he was a varsity assistant for Illinois state champion St. Rita High School, his alma mater.

Carberry, a four-year letterman at Ohio, earned All-MAC honors as senior team captain. The defensive lineman graduated from Ohio in 2005 with a bachelor's degree in marketing and earned his master’s in sports administration from Kansas in 2010.

Carberry is married to his wife, Emily. The couple has one son, Francis.

Seems he just rode coattails and the Stanford page is propping him up.
 

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Not who I wanted but it's pretty shocking how many O linemen he's recruited and/or coached into the league. (at CMU/Cincy/Buffalo, not exactly O Line U challengers. It's around 10 total including a couple of Pro Bowlers ... not to mention he was Khalil Mack's HC at Buffalo.

If you know X's & O's, it's the easiest position job at ND because HH showed the world that being a road warrior as a recruiter isn't needed. Connect with select Top 10 O lineman and get to work.
 

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That is what I find so troubling. The hires of Long and Elko last year provided something fresh. While Long certainly had ups and downs, I thought both hires were a step forward. Lea replacing Elko isn't ideal, but was the smart play and worth the risk IMO. This just screams easy way out. Who knows what happened behind the scenes, but I find this hire to be both concerning and perplexing. Step down indeed.

Exactly. OL is arguably the most important position coach at ND as we seek to find the recipe for sustained success. Quinn was a very "safe" hire, which indicates that either our admin doesn't appreciate the importance of the job, or they whiffed on the candidates that would have offered a better chance of filling Hiestand's shoes. Bad news either way.
 

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FWIW, ISD says Quin has been offered several small OL jobs throughout the years, but was waiting for a perfect opportunity.

Ok...

That makes me feel better. Guy could be coaching O-line with the University of Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens, but we locked him down!
 

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Man I should taken a boat into this thread with all the blood flowing. Sheesh!!!

I think it's a solid hire.
 
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That makes me feel better. Guy could be coaching O-line with the University of Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens, but we locked him down!

That's what the write up said, I have no idea if it's true. Could totally be true that he was happy to be at ND behind the scenes, or could be a way to calm the fans down, IDK.

I like the off-season about as much as I like poison ivy.
 

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This is pretty hilarious. Sampson and II/247 billed this potential hire as one that was attracting A LOT of attention from big names from both the college football ranks and NFL. Apparently the admin found this as an instrumental position coach and foundation of the program.

And...........we hire Jeff Quinn. WTF
 

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I’m somewhere between here:

I'm not sure, seems like a solid (if unexciting) hire. He obviously doesn't do a lot to "move the needle" but is good for continuity and has a good track record as a coach. It seems perfectly acceptable.

And here:

Jeff Quinn - 55yrs old - Offensive Analyst ND
-Hometown: Woodridge, Illinois
-Alumni: Elmhurst
-Position Played: Offensive Lineman
-NFL Coaching Experience: None
-NFL Alumni: Mike Sheldon, Eric Ghiaciuc, Joe Staley, Jeffrey Linkenbach, Jason Kelce
-College Experience: 24 Seasons OL Coach, 5 Seasons HC

I think Bob Bostad, Justin Frye, and Joe Gilbert were very awesome candidates. Having said that, I think this is a pretty awesome hire for a few reasons. Having spent 24 seasons as an OL coach, Jeff Quinn has amazing amounts of experience. He has also identified lower end recruits and developed them into legit NFL players (Joe Staley & Jason Kelce). He is a former head coach which I think is always a nice thing to have on a coaching staff with now having Brian Kelly, Bill Polian, and Jeff Quinn there. The negatives are definitely there too...I haven't seen any evidence of Jeff Quinn recruiting big time talent at any of his previous stops so I haven't any idea if he's a good recruiter against the big boys. Also, there's the stigma of being Brian Kelly's friend and having worked alongside him for 20+ years which people seem to find as a huge negative (BVG & Paul Longo). Overall, I don't know how he'll be as a coach, but I think it will work out as a nice hire for Brian Kelly. Welcome Jeff!
 

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Man I should taken a boat into this thread with all the blood flowing. Sheesh!!!

I think it's a solid hire.

Agree. Hopefully he already has a good relationship with Long and they're on the same page. He obviously knows our personnel. Probably the best bet to keep things going for the next year or two. It's not like the other guys were rock star coaches.
 

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Only time will tell just as time told about Hiestand. I remember anger when Hiestand was hired. One thing I do know, is that I haven’t a clue if it’ll work or not. I suppose I’m pretty okay with the hire on the surface. He seemed to have a decent enough resume as an OL coach in the past.

As for BK not bringing him on board for a different position before, maybe Hiestand was going to leave sooner then he did but held out until this recent gig with the Bears.

No guarantee the outside hires would’ve worked either.
 

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This is pretty hilarious. Sampson and II/247 billed this potential hire as one that was attracting A LOT of attention from big names from both the college football ranks and NFL. Apparently the admin found this as an instrumental position coach and foundation of the program.

And...........we hire Jeff Quinn. WTF


Yeah, I am with Lucky on this. I suppose he seems like a solid hire and has been decent before (taking other people's word for it), but it just seems like we were looking to get another headline type of guy based on everything everyone was saying that would make it look like a juicy hire...and then we get a guy that seems competent but nothing in the realm of where everyone was talking.

Well...I guess its wait and see from here
 

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That's what the write up said, I have no idea if it's true. Could totally be true that he was happy to be at ND behind the scenes, or could be a way to calm the fans down, IDK.

I like the off-season about as much as I like poison ivy.

What do you have against Uma Thurman?
 

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Would you have rather taken Stanford's new offensive line coach?

That's a fair point, but Stanford isn't in "rebuilding" mode. Shaw's won 77% of his games over the last 7 seasons (5-2 against Kelly), and has seen 7 OL drafted during that period, most of which went in the 1st round. Kelly's won 67% of his games over the last 8 seasons, and has seen 4 OL drafted during that period. We're likely to pull close to even with Stanford on draft success this year, but we're still a long way behind them in win %. So yeah, I think it's reasonable for us to be much more nervous about Quinn's hire than Cardinal fans (lol) are about Carberry.
 

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This is pretty hilarious. Sampson and II/247 billed this potential hire as one that was attracting A LOT of attention from big names from both the college football ranks and NFL. Apparently the admin found this as an instrumental position coach and foundation of the program.

And...........we hire Jeff Quinn. WTF

What roles did the administration have in interviewing, selecting, and hiring the OL coach?
 

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Agree. Hopefully he already has a good relationship with Long and they're on the same page. He obviously knows our personnel. Probably the best bet to keep things going for the next year or two. It's not like the other guys were rock star coaches.

This.

A lot of people were psyched for Frye and besides Dirstine in this class and Ben Petrula in 2017 as solid, interior prospects, he didn't get one guy I would have taken at ND besides their current LT Aaron Montero and he would have been a "need a 4th guy in this class for a body" project who most likely never plays until Sr. Day.

As far as the others, I don't trust position coaches who come back from the NFL. College is a lot of work year round for less money and that's a double whammy on the golf game.
 

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Here's the thing.....HH leaves...job opens up.

A few posters throw a few names as potential targets...most unrealistic (Andy Heck)....and none of the realistic were wow hires.

Therefore expecting a wow hire when few if any could even come up with a wow hire with the entire universe of o-line coaches available in the theoretical is crazy.
 
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Yeah, I am with Lucky on this. I suppose he seems like a solid hire and has been decent before (taking other people's word for it), but it just seems like we were looking to get another headline type of guy based on everything everyone was saying that would make it look like a juicy hire...and then we get a guy that seems competent but nothing in the realm of where everyone was talking.

Well...I guess its wait and see from here

FWIW, that is amost verbatim what Sampson said he got from his sources.

So either Sampson is full of it, his sources are, or ND's admin has completely lost it. Because though he might be a decent coach, he is none of those things they laid out.

Quinn has never coached OL at this level of college football (re: facing this type of competition weekly, nor has he ever recruited at this level, for top 250 OL.

He has zero experience on this stage. Pretty frustrated by this one
 

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This.

A lot of people were psyched for Frye and besides Dirstine in this class and Ben Petrula in 2017 as solid, interior prospects, he didn't get one guy I would have taken at ND besides their current LT Aaron Montero and he would have been a "need a 4th guy in this class for a body" project who most likely never plays until Sr. Day.

As far as the others, I don't trust position coaches who come back from the NFL. College is a lot of work year round for less money and that's a double whammy on the golf game.

Recruiting is a part of it. I'm much more concerned about coaching to be honest. A lot of young talent on this team to work with, as you've illustrated before. Getting them up to task is probably the biggest priority right now. At least Frye and Bostad had coached OL at this level before.

My pick was on Bostad, of the bunch we knew interviewed. He's done everything that you'd be looking for
 

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ISD mentioned Mustipher and Barrs had input on the hire. Sounds like Quinn was familiar enough to be thought of as someone who could carry the HH torch versus different people with different philosophies. May not headline shockwaves but I dig it. We wanted him when Kelly was hired in 09, we wanted him to be the OC thereafter as well before he signed an extension with Buffalo.
 
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ISD mentioned Mustipher and Barrs had input on the hire. Sounds like Quinn was familiar enough to be thought of as someone who could carry the HH torch versus different people with different philosophies. May not headline shockwaves but I dig it. We wanted him when Kelly was hired in 09, we wanted him to be the OC thereafter as well before he signed an extension with Buffalo.

Which thread is that on? I'd like to read it.
 

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Recruiting is a part of it. I'm much more concerned about coaching to be honest. A lot of young talent on this team to work with, as you've illustrated before. Getting them up to task is probably the biggest priority right now. At least Frye and Bostad had coached OL at this level before.

My pick was on Bostad, of the bunch we knew interviewed. He's done everything that you'd be looking for

Quinn's got a lot of results in places where results aren't expected. Olin Kreutz did a good job of hyping for HH, Hopefully Quinn has that type of relationship with Staley and Kelce. We're a week and a half from (possibly) Kelce being a really big F'n deal.
 

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Frye is an interesting name that people came up with.....because it was only 2 years ago, BC had one of the worst offenses in the P5. They couldn't run the ball a lick.
 

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Which thread is that on? I'd like to read it.
Jamie U had an article. I had read this on Twitter. I'm not a big fan of this hire......just seems to comfortable with the old way of business. That didn't work out so well. I guess we'll see how this plays out.
 

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What roles did the administration have in interviewing, selecting, and hiring the OL coach?

I have no idea, just passing along what Sampson's sources told him, apparently. Maybe better put would be decision makers.
 
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Wouldn’t Long have some say in this as well? I don’t know much, but I’d imagine his input was at least considered.

Or did Kelly just send Quinn an e-mail saying, “You’re the man now, dawg!” ala Sean Connery?

I think the hire is fine, but if not, Kelly is on his way out anyway.

He’s not well liked or valued overall by a large portion of the fanbase. (I’m not saying I’m in this crowd, but Kelly so much as farts and everyone wants him and Swarbrick gone.)

I don’t see Kelly lasting past this season. Why not give a loyal friend an opportunity to take on a big challenge?
 
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