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An explosive-by-design offense coupled with our suffocating defense could get a lot of opportunities and score a lot of points.
But if we don’t have the weapons (and, in 2020 at least, we don’t appear to at RB and probably not WR), that could be a square peg, round hole situation.
How married to “Moorhead’s offense” is Moorhead? Did he do the same things at Mississippi State that he did at Penn State?
 

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An explosive-by-design offense coupled with our suffocating defense could get a lot of opportunities and score a lot of points.
But if we don’t have the weapons (and, in 2020 at least, we don’t appear to at RB and probably not WR), that could be a square peg, round hole situation.
How married to “Moorhead’s offense” is Moorhead? Did he do the same things at Mississippi State that he did at Penn State?

I mean, we project to be starting 3 4 star WR's including the two highest rated WR's of the Kelly era on the same 2 deep together. On paper, I'd say that looks pretty good.

We focus on past production when there is none but stars when they don't have them.
 

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I mean, we project to be starting 3 4 star WR's including the two highest rated WR's of the Kelly era on the same 2 deep together. On paper, I'd say that looks pretty good.

We focus on past production when there is none but stars when they don't have them.

Not worried about production at the WR position next year. Yes, it sucks to lose Claypool and Kmet, but the players coming back were highly rated for a reason. As someone pointed out a few pages back, Will Fuller only had a hand full of catches as a freshman and he turned out okay.
 

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An explosive-by-design offense coupled with our suffocating defense could get a lot of opportunities and score a lot of points.
But if we don’t have the weapons (and, in 2020 at least, we don’t appear to at RB and probably not WR), that could be a square peg, round hole situation.
How married to “Moorhead’s offense” is Moorhead? Did he do the same things at Mississippi State that he did at Penn State?

Very. It's how he made the huge up-jump from Fordham, because his offense was very innovative.

It's not too dissimilar on some levels from what ND runs right now, either. It's RPO heavy, its calling card was the QB reading the safety and if the safety came down to play the run then you chuck it over his head. You hit the post 1 out of 3 times that's fine because thy're all big gains or TDs.

Bottom line though is that the main reason why it takes awhile to get "rolling" is that it asks the QB to read the defense, and for a lot of QBs that's not an easy ask ESPECIALLY when it's reliant on making correct (and quick!) post-snap reads as much as it does pre-snap reads. I'm hopeful that because ND already does a lot of RPO that it won't be a big learning curve.

The other complication is that you need specific skill sets. Tommy Rees physically could not run a Joe Moorhead offense. I'm unsure whether Ian Book can, but Book was pretty darn good going down the field this year. Wimbush? Jurkoved? Absolutely. You don't need "elite" players or it wouldn't have worked at Fordham (and it has its roots at Eastern Michigan)... but you have to have a QB that can push the ball down the field. You have to have a WR that can make them pay for putting their safeties in the box. You have to have a RB that will actually capitalize on the creases when they're there. And right now, we've been operating under an offense that doesn't rely on that, and it's worked reasonably well. So I don't know if it makes sense to change up that paradigm....

....on the flip side, Tyler Buchner would destroy in a Moorhead offense.
 

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In Sampson’s latest Athletic article he alludes to a horrible relationship between Long and Quinn. Anyone have any insight on what the deal was there? I don’t remember reading anything about that personality clash here.
 

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It had been brought up to some extent on the II podcast.

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In Sampson’s latest Athletic article he alludes to a horrible relationship between Long and Quinn. Anyone have any insight on what the deal was there? I don’t remember reading anything about that personality clash here.

Apparently Quinn couldn’t take all of those Father / Son walks through campus like HH & Long did because ...

Quinn was out recruiting!
 

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In Sampson’s latest Athletic article he alludes to a horrible relationship between Long and Quinn. Anyone have any insight on what the deal was there? I don’t remember reading anything about that personality clash here.

From what I gleaned from the various podcasts, Long just thought Quinn wasn't a great O line coach and wanted him out. Doesn't seem like there was anything more dramatic to it than that. Knowing what we know about Long's personality, he probably did not keep his feelings secret which led to a tense situation.
 

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From what I gleaned from the various podcasts, Long just thought Quinn wasn't a great O line coach and wanted him out. Doesn't seem like there was anything more dramatic to it than that. Knowing what we know about Long's personality, he probably did not keep his feelings secret which led to a tense situation.

If that’s true Long certainly didn’t pick his battles wisely. Surely he would’ve known going after a BK tag along was a mistake. Or maybe he didn’t care.
 

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From what I gleaned from the various podcasts, Long just thought Quinn wasn't a great O line coach and wanted him out. Doesn't seem like there was anything more dramatic to it than that. Knowing what we know about Long's personality, he probably did not keep his feelings secret which led to a tense situation.

“Hey boss, your best friend sucks and he won’t go on bonding walks through campus with me. Fire him or else..”

Welcome to else , Chip.
 

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As far as potential OC hires go, sounds like Moorhead might be the lead candidate for the Oregon job. And while I think he'd be a terrific hire, it might be better for all parties. I know some folks aren't too excited about Rees as OC but how important is continuity on offense when your 3rd year starting QB and entire OL are coming back. Though I really like Moorhead what changes do we need to make on offense in order to get Moorhead? At Oregon, there is no such offense in place and a brand new QB for him to groom for his offense. Probably makes more sense.
 

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Yep, Kelly chooses cronies over competence if given the choice.

There are consequences to all decisions and if Long stayed and a ton of transfers/NFL defections happened, you'd blame Kelly for that as well.
 

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As far as potential OC hires go, sounds like Moorhead might be the lead candidate for the Oregon job. And while I think he'd be a terrific hire, it might be better for all parties. I know some folks aren't too excited about Rees as OC but how important is continuity on offense when your 3rd year starting QB and entire OL are coming back. Though I really like Moorhead what changes do we need to make on offense in order to get Moorhead? At Oregon, there is no such offense in place and a brand new QB for him to groom for his offense. Probably makes more sense.

Yikes. If they can develop their next QB they’re going to romp through the PAC 12 for the next few years.
 

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I’m not saying this is the case but I’ve personally been witness to good people get the run around because of a “buddy system”. I’ve made mention of this in a few posts back which some on here evidently cannot possibly imagine to be true. I do not hate BK, but he may not be the best person to work for. That’s a fact. If Long did not see eye to eye with a BK guy then I can image how the situation could become toxic, and spiral out of control. Quinn may in fact not be a good OL coach, I have VOLS friends that would say the same about HH. But, Quinn does seem to be a heck of a recruiter, so... Either way, I am now more curious if we do get an outside hire at OC how things play out. I know in the end, I just want this team to shine, and become an elite again.
 

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I’m not saying this is the case but I’ve personally been witness to good people get the run around because of a “buddy system”. I’ve made mention of this in a few posts back which some on here evidently cannot possibly imagine to be true. I do not hate BK, but he may not be the best person to work for. That’s a fact. If Long did not see eye to eye with a BK guy then I can image how the situation could become toxic, and spiral out of control. Quinn may in fact not be a good OL coach, I have VOLS friends that would say the same about HH. But, Quinn does seem to be a heck of a recruiter, so... Either way, I am now more curious if we do get an outside hire at OC how things play out. I know in the end, I just want this team to shine, and become an elite again.

You do realize that of the offensive coaches, only the QB coach and OL coach were 'Kelly' guys. Our RB coach (who he made Co-OC for bowl prep), WR coach, TE/OC coach were all outside of the Kelly hierarchy. This narrative that we have this abundance of buddies, currently on staff, just isn't true.

At the end of the regular season, we had 10 coaches on staff (correct me if I'm wrong). OC/TE, WR, RB, OL, QB. Defense was DC/LB, CB, S, DL and ST's. Of those 10, only 3 of those guys could possible be called, Kelly guys.
 

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As far as potential OC hires go, sounds like Moorhead might be the lead candidate for the Oregon job. And while I think he'd be a terrific hire, it might be better for all parties. I know some folks aren't too excited about Rees as OC but how important is continuity on offense when your 3rd year starting QB and entire OL are coming back. Though I really like Moorhead what changes do we need to make on offense in order to get Moorhead? At Oregon, there is no such offense in place and a brand new QB for him to groom for his offense. Probably makes more sense.

Big picture vs 2020 season.

Whatever happens with Moorhead, he is more likely a rental.

The beauty of the Elko hire was that not only was he a really good coach at Wake, but he brought along some staff for continuity. That continuity card has worked quite well.

Ideally, I would like for something like that to happen on O. ND should be strong again next year, but it will take some luck to be top 4 IMO. So, do you hire Rees to keep 2020 as strong as possible, or do you go after someone that will be able to do what they want with the offense, just like Elko was able to do with the D? Personally, I prefer going after the strongest candidate and letting them get after it. The problem I see though is that BK will most likely be bringing in said OC, but nobody else. Said a bit differently, the OC will be someone that will have to deal with the staff as is. I just don't see how/why a top name OC would come to ND under those conditions. So I personally am bracing for Tommy to be OC.
 
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