Oct 29 | Syracuse

[FDNYIrish1]

We’re going to curb stomp them. Irish by 17-21. A complete game in perfect conditions. Pyne connects deep to Lenzy and Tobias for scores.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Notre Dame Predictions...

David Bavaro: 30 Mark Bavaro: 24

syracusefan.com

 

[Irish4life]

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Looks good “on paper” but I presume Stanford OL looked even worse on paper and ND couldn’t do shit.

 

[Irish#1]

Notre Dame Predictions...

David Bavaro: 30 Mark Bavaro: 24

syracusefan.com

Most of them don't even think it will be close. lol

 

[notredomer23]

Most of them don't even think it will be close. lol

You mean to tell me there's fanbases as delusional as ND's?

 

[stpeteirish]

Wish we had Kyle Hamilton to lock down Gadsden. If you look at their passing game stats he's it. The rest of the WR's don't do much. In fact, Tucker is their 2nd leading receiver.

They use Schrader as a runner a lot and he moves the chains. We haven't been good vs running QB's so Golden needs to come up with something we haven't seen yet.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

You mean to tell me there's fanbases as delusional as ND's?

Idk, go look at our prediction poll and measure that compared to those jack offs lol, nothing like a little humility

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

If you look at their passing game stats he's it. The rest of the WR's don't do much. In fact, Tucker is their 2nd leading receiver.

why does this sound so damn familiar....?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Wish we had Kyle Hamilton to lock down Gadsden. If you look at their passing game stats he's it. The rest of the WR's don't do much. In fact, Tucker is their 2nd leading receiver.

They use Schrader as a runner a lot and he moves the chains. We haven't been good vs running QB's so Golden needs to come up with something we haven't seen yet.

If they can’t contain Schrader, it could get ugly when you factor in Tucker. ND has to improve their tackling.

Their WR corps may be less impressive than ND’s. Schrader relies on Gadson the way Pyne relies on Mayer (maybe not that much but u get the gist).

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Idk, go look at our prediction poll and measure that compared to those jack offs lol, nothing like a little humility

I'll own up to the fact that I think ND is going to win this game by double digits.

It's not because I think ND is a way better team; but because it's a terrible matchup for Syracuse. Defensively, they're excellent against the pass, have rangy LBs, and shut down big plays... but that's basically irrelevant to defending ND's offense. They still won't be able to lock down Mayer and everybody is able to lock down ND's WRs.

I think the Irish will be able to move the ball against a 3-3-5. Syracuse's offense is good but doesn't get over the top like UNC's. ND may not be able to shut down Tucker but I don't think he will be enough.

 

[stlnd01]

The mobile QB is worrisome. Hopefully our linebackers can get it together. Beyond that their offense vs. our defense doesn't seem that scary. We can handle one WR, and our D line should be better than their O line.

Our offense, of course, will scare no one. But if we can establish the run - which we should be able to - and maybe hit one downfield pass (it's gotta happen eventually), it feels like that will be enough to prevail in a low-scoring game. Something like 21-17.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I think the Irish will be able to move the ball against a 2-3. Syracuse's offense is good but doesn't get over the top like UNC's. ND may not be able to shut down Tucker but I don't think he will be enough.

FIFY

Jokes aside, I agree, but ND looked GREAT on paper against Stanford and inexplicably were unable to run the ball with any consistency until the second half; ND really needs to avoid a slow start or 'Cuse might run away with this one.

 

[benneboy]

Wish we had Kyle Hamilton to lock down Gadsden. If you look at their passing game stats he's it. The rest of the WR's don't do much. In fact, Tucker is their 2nd leading receiver.

They use Schrader as a runner a lot and he moves the chains. We haven't been good vs running QB's so Golden needs to come up with something we haven't seen yet.

Cam Hart should be a really good counter to Gadsen. I like that matchup.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

FIFY

Jokes aside, I agree, but ND looked GREAT on paper against Stanford and inexplicably were unable to run the ball with any consistency until the second half; ND really needs to avoid a slow start or 'Cuse might run away with this one.

I don't think it's inexplicable. Stanford singled up everybody on the outside so they could outnumber the blockers on the inside. ND failed to punish them for it.

I don't think Syracuse's defensive personnel lend themselves to that same strategy. They like to play downhill and I think that's not going to work very well against ND. I think we're going to see some dudes getting rag dolled by the OL.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

From Bill Connolly's Week 9 preview:

Notre Dame at No. 16 Syracuse (noon, ABC/ESPN app). Notre Dame has ... limitations, it's fair to say. Quarterback, for one. A lack of big-play ability, for another. An abysmal red zone defense too. But the Irish can bully teams with the run game if they let them, and for as surprising and effective as Syracuse has been this season, it is dreadful against the run. Can the Orange bounce back from last weekend's Clemson heartbreaker and handle a weird matchup? Current line: Syracuse -2.5 (up from -2 on Sunday) | SP+ projection: Syracuse by 4.1 | FPI projection: Syracuse by 3.7.

 

[NDPhilly]

Clemson's RBs ran for 266 yards on 5.9 ypc. No reason we shouldn't be able to do the same. All Pyne has to do is not shit his pants and we should win.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Clemson's RBs ran for 266 yards on 5.9 ypc. No reason we shouldn't be able to do the same. All Pyne has to do is not shit his pants and we should win.

Well, our offense isn't nearly as balanced or effective as Clemson's. DJ U had an off day and turned the ball over a bunch but Syracuse still has to respect Clemson's passing attack more than ND's. As Pops F said, 'Cuse is going to load the box and dare us to beat their talented secondary with 1:1 match ups and we haven't done a great job most of the season at exploiting that strategy.

There were moments against UNC and BYU, but neither of those teams did an effective job of taking away Mayer. Stanford did. And 'Cuse will look to do the same.

If we can get a solid game from Jayden Thomas, Braden Lenzy and Styles this game is over, but that's asking an awful lot. Each guy has flashed throughout the year but collectively, it seems like one has a pretty good game and the others disappear.

A fast start is CRITICAL tomorrow.

 

[FOTY977]

OL is the key. (And Tommy not overcomplicating shit.)

Go Irish! Beat Tommy!

 

[rtrn2glory]

Sorry if this has already been addressed, but I am not buying the "Clemson ran down their throat so we should be able to narrative." Yes, our OL is very good, but if we pose as little of a threat to throw the ball as we do then it will be very difficult to move the ball against Syracuse's defense. Clemson posed at least a manageable passing threat that we do not. That allows any defense to pack the box and get creative with run blitzes/stunts to confuse the OL and create negative plays. This as a result puts us behind the chains and in obvious passing situations on 2nd and 3rd and long (ala Stanford). As much as I hate to say it, we need to break tendencies and throw earlier in order to open up the run game. However, also unfortunately, I don't think we have the tools physically at the QB position to do this and why I'm anticipating a 2-3 possession loss on Saturday.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Sorry if this has already been addressed, but I am not buying the "Clemson ran down their throat so we should be able to narrative." Yes, our OL is very good, but if we pose as little of a threat to throw the ball as we do then it will be very difficult to move the ball against Syracuse's defense. Clemson posed at least a manageable passing threat that we do not. That allows any defense to pack the box and get creative with run blitzes/stunts to confuse the OL and create negative plays. This as a result puts us behind the chains and in obvious passing situations on 2nd and 3rd and long (ala Stanford). As much as I hate to say it, we need to break tendencies and throw earlier in order to open up the run game. However, also unfortunately, I don't think we have the tools physically at the QB position to do this and why I'm anticipating a 2-3 possession loss on Saturday.

You may be right. I watched when the true frosh 5-star went in and he was definitely not a threat to pass. He ran a lot of read option and handed the ball off. On a 3rd and long, however; he threw deep and it drew a DPI extending the drive and putting the game out of reach. I give up predicting on how well ND will do. I’d like to think ND has a better or at least comparable OL as Clemson but I don’t expect the SU D to respect Pyne as much as they did DJU & his backup.

All the consternation about the offense (all deserved!) may be a moot point the way this season has played out. In other words, watch Pyne & the offense do enough to win but the defense continues to struggle w/ tackling and being out of position to the point where SU runs all over them. It’s been that frustrating of a season…”Whack-a-Mole”.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Most of them don't even think it will be close. lol

I went and checked out 2 SU pods to see if the vibe was similar. It was. They expect a 7-10 pt win. I couldn’t finish the 2nd pod b/c they were idiots & letting their emotions towards ND be the narrative. It made me appreciate the ND pods. At least their professional. If I wanted to listen to fans bitch, I can just come here. I expect better analysis from the pods.

The one takeaway I had from both pods was that they 100% expect the crowd to be responsible for multiple false starts committed by the ND offense. I know they seemed unflappable when playing in the Horseshoe on national tv in prime time but that seems like years ago after witnessing the six games after that.

 

[stlnd01]

I went and checked out 2 SU pods to see if the vibe was similar. It was. They expect a 7-10 pt win. I couldn’t finish the 2nd pod b/c they were idiots & letting their emotions towards ND be the narrative. It made me appreciate the ND pods. At least their professional. If I wanted to listen to fans bitch, I can just come here. I expect better analysis from the pods.

The one takeaway I had from both pods was that they 100% expect the crowd to be responsible for multiple false starts committed by the ND offense. I know they seemed unflappable when playing in the Horseshoe on national tv in prime time but that seems like years ago after witnessing the six games after that.

Sincere question, what "emotions" do Syracuse people have towards Notre Dame? We play every few years. They're usually mediocre. I don't think we typically give them any thought at all. They're not even BC or Pitt to us. Is there some rivalry in their minds?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Most of them don't even think it will be close. lol

That's unfortunate for them because we gonna win.

 

[stpeteirish]

Watching the replay of Syr/Clem I was struck by the refusal of Syr to adjust out of their 3-3-5 look. They were in it at least 80% of their snaps and Clemson just ran the ball right at them with much success. Syr's LBs are big and good but they were five yards off the ball on most snaps. Syr's DBs are really good as well and they were in pass coverage with a single high safety all day. The Syr Dl is extremely small for P5 with a 5-11 265 NT and one of the DEs is listed at 217! They do play a 235 Lb back up there a lot. But good lord you RTDB vs this look every day of the week and that's what Dabo did.

No idea if they change it up vs us or not but the blueprint vs ND is obvious: make Drew Pyne beat you. That 3-3-5 is not the way to make Drew Pyne beat you.

They had a two TD lead in the 2nd half vs Clem maybe that was why they played D the way they did. So if we are behind in the second half RTDB might still be the way to go. Just don't take 30 seconds between every play like we did vs Stanford.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Sincere question, what "emotions" do Syracuse people have towards Notre Dame? We play every few years. They're usually mediocre. I don't think we typically give them any thought at all. They're not even BC or Pitt to us. Is there some rivalry in their minds?

Just the typical hatred of all things ND b/c they’re “entitled”, “have their own TV station”, “Think they’re too good to travel to Syracuse and actually play on their field” (referring to Yankee Stadium & other “neutral sites”, “Rudy sucks”. Just real sophomoric stuff that would surprise no one who is an ND fan.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Watching the replay of Syr/Clem I was struck by the refusal of Syr to adjust out of their 3-3-5 look. They were in it at least 80% of their snaps and Clemson just ran the ball right at them with much success. Syr's LBs are big and good but they were five yards off the ball on most snaps. Syr's DBs are really good as well and they were in pass coverage with a single high safety all day. The Syr Dl is extremely small for P5 with a 5-11 265 NT and one of the DEs is listed at 217! They do play a 235 Lb back up there a lot. But good lord you RTDB vs this look every day of the week and that's what Dabo did.

No idea if they change it up vs us or not but the blueprint vs ND is obvious: make Drew Pyne beat you. That 3-3-5 is not the way to make Drew Pyne beat you.

They had a two TD lead in the 2nd half vs Clem maybe that was why they played D the way they did. So if we are behind in the second half RTDB might still be the way to go. Just don't take 30 seconds between every play like we did vs Stanford.

They do have a great back 8. Should be getting one of their DBs back healthy this week after a deep thigh bruise kept him out of Clemson game. If they’re wise, they simply mimic what Stanford did b/c that’s one of the worst defenses in the nation and they held ND to two TDs. Syracuse isn’t elite but surely they’re better than Stanford.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'll own up to the fact that I think ND is going to win this game by double digits.

It's not because I think ND is a way better team; but because it's a terrible matchup for Syracuse. Defensively, they're excellent against the pass, have rangy LBs, and shut down big plays... but that's basically irrelevant to defending ND's offense. They still won't be able to lock down Mayer and everybody is able to lock down ND's WRs.

I think the Irish will be able to move the ball against a 3-3-5. Syracuse's offense is good but doesn't get over the top like UNC's. ND may not be able to shut down Tucker but I don't think he will be enough.

I'm hearing 28 more carries for Diggs based on this info. Lets bring it!

 

[Sea Turtle]

Victory is assured

 

[IrishBoognish]

Victory is assured

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