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Welcome Cowboy... and quit samplin' your inventory.

Signed, 98.6% of Irish fans

Thanks for the welcome. I am a ND fan from upstate N.Y that currently lives in Mississippi and works in Alabama. Alabama fans where I work are the worst (Go War Eagle). I have been enjoying reading the Irish envy board for years and finally decided to join..

*** I had a dream last night that Notre Dame beat Bama 42 to 34 in the National Championship game. It was Glorious. Myles Boykin and Tevon Coney were the coMVP's.
 

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Great 1st post. I'm glad I'm not alone in this way of thinking.
You must listen to all of the pundits with the same vitriol as I.
You can't stop the hater's from hatin us because we're us!

Paul Fienbaum is the biggest Notre Dame hater. His arms are so thin they could be used to floss Nick Sabans teeth.
But now and then Herbsteit mentions ND's pass rush.
The more hate ND gets the better. Once the Irish clean up special team gaffes the hate will grow much greater.

*** The ND vs Syracuse game is going to be hard hitting from both sides. They are both physical teams. Maybe college football pundits will take notice and see that other college teams outside the SEC play smashmouth football.
 

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Who will spy Dungey? I think that is the matchup to watch. Stop him from running and the Irish's chances of winning increase dramatically.

this is easily the most important thing to me.
he reminds me a little of BW. Uses his legs a lot, and tosses some 50/50 balls to big guys like Custis.

If we can get pressure consistently and keep him contained with our base D, we'll have zero problem. would like to see some well timed safety and LB blitzes, but not go overboard. if i see any DEs drop into coverage, i'm gonna fall out.
 

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ESPN banging the Upset Alert gong again. Color me shocked.


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Who will spy Dungey? I think that is the matchup to watch. Stop him from running and the Irish's chances of winning increase dramatically.



Tranquill, if he was healthy.



Disagree. I think you have to go Coney. Coney to drop into shallow zone. Once Dungy takes off Coney is there to track him down. Similar to how Coney tracked down the NorthWestern QB.


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5 Reasons for a ND win (a Syracuse take)
https://www.syracuse.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/11/f89f00b5712041/5-reasons-no-12-syracuse-could.html

Book follows the trend
This may not be the hottest take ever written, but good quarterbacks have gotten the better of the Orange almost every time during the Dino Babers era.

Who is the best signal-caller SU has beaten? Probably N.C. State's Ryan Finley this year, who threw for 400 yards and only caved at the very last moment on a rushed third-down interception. Jerod Evans in 2016 is another good one, though he did throw for 300 yards and two scores. And as we'll hit on soon, both of those defensive performances came with the assistance of the Carrier Dome crowd.

Otherwise, top-tier throwers have done well enough to win, whether by picking apart zone coverages on the back end or outwitting box defenders in the run-pass option game.

On paper, there's good reason to believe Book will follow that trend. The junior has thrown for 1,824 yards, 15 touchdowns and just four interceptions. He's completed 74.5 percent of his passes this fall.

Boykins bests banged-up corners
Book has a clear top target in wide receiver Miles Boykin. The 6-foot-4, 228-pound senior has racked up 44 catches for 654 yards and eight touchdowns this season, and has found the end zone at least once during each of UND's last six games.

Looking back three weeks ago, NCSU's Kelvin Harmon -- a clear NFL talent -- beat everyone SU threw at him. That largely banged-up group of corners is expected to have all of its members active, but it could still be vulnerable.

Keep an eye on whether freshman corner Trill Williams starts on the field side for the second straight game, opposite redshirt junior Chris Fredrick. The Yonkers native could be SU's top option there with junior Scoop Bradshaw (arm) and redshirt freshman Ifeatu Melifonwu (hamstring) coming off injuries.

Dexter Williams wears down Orange D
While SU's pass defense faces a stiff test, so does the Orange's run defense -- and the latter element has been the weaker of the two for most of this season.

A group of first-year starting linebackers struggled early in the season, but has come along in recent weeks as seniors Ryan Guthrie and Kielan Whitner have piled up experience.

That said, UND's rushing attack, led by Dexter Williams, will be one of the best Syracuse faces in 2018. The 5-foot-11, 215-pound senior is averaging 6.8 yards this year and has found the end zone 10 times.

Tackling in space from the linebackers as well as safeties Evan Foster and Andre Cisco will be key.

Clark Lea keeps the Orange guessing
SU has experienced two pretty clear defensive game plans over the last six weeks (discounting a Louisville team that was never going to execute anything): teams that have sold out to stop Dungey and force him to pass and a Wake Forest group that took away the vertical passing game and gave up underneath routes and running concepts with a soft box.

Lea is too sharp and gifted with too many playmakers to take a simple approach. But will he be able to mix in the right pressures and coverages at the right times? Can he throw Dungey out of whack and force some of the errant throws that have plagued him at times this fall.

Lea is plenty familiar with Dungey having shared a locker room with him for a season in Central New York, and I wouldn't be surprised if he received notes from Scott Shafer, who beat SU with Middle Tennessee State last fall, as well as former Orange assistants Tim Lester and Tim Daoust, who faced Dungey with Western Michigan in SU's season opener this year.

Crowd, conditions lift Irish late
The Orange snapped an eight-game road ACC losing stream in Winston-Salem, N.C., two weeks ago. But winning away from the Carrier Dome is still a hurdle the team hasn't full overcome.

Playing in a venue that could be filled with three times as many Fighting Irish fans as SU ones could play a factor late. Having to use a silent count is a considerable disadvantage; just ask Orange defensive end Alton Robinson, who timed one perfectly to pressure Finley on his game-sealing interception earlier this year.

Add in potentially strong winds and the idea of Dungey leading late-game touchdown drives becomes tougher to envision.

On the flip side, the Orange's defense was unable to get critical stops at Clemson and Pittsburgh this year. How will that group handle a similar situation with a crowd of gold roaring in the Bronx?
 

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5 Reason for a Syracuse win (a Syracuse take)
https://www.syracuse.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/11/f89f00b5712041/5-reasons-no-12-syracuse-could.html

Dungey's fundamentals are sound
The senior quarterback has largely looked like a different thrower in the three weeks following his fourth-quarter benching against North Carolina. Dungey threw for 400 yards and three touchdowns against N.C. State before completing 14 straight passes at Wake Forest.

His accuracy hasn't been perfect, but it's been markedly better than during the first half of the year, and last week Dungey credited that improvement to an emphasis on the fundamentals. It doesn't take a trained eye to see Dungey stepping into throws more consistently and keeping his legs under him.

If he can pass efficiently against Notre Dame -- a tall task given that the Irish rank second this year in opposing quarterback rating -- SU should be able to force a balanced defense and find some room to run.

Pass rush hits home
The Orange defense has racked up a dozen sacks over the last two games, including six in the first half at Wake Forest. On the season, SU's 33 sacks are good for 10th in the Football Bowl Subdivision.

Much of that credit goes to a front four that has been consistently excellent in 2018. Redshirt senior defensive tackle Chris Slayton eats up double teams, in turn providing the defensive ends with 1-on-1 matchups and opening up blitz lanes for linebackers and defensive backs.

Considering Notre Dame quarterback Ian Book is coming off a rib injury that kept him sidelined for a week, I expect to see SU defensive coordinator Brian Ward to make a concerted effort to pressure Book early.

Making him uncomfortable is a good start while knocking him out would force the less-accurate (though still very capable of winning) Brandon Wimbush into action.

SU wins the turnover battle
These two go hand-in-hand as pressuring the quarterback and/or forcing 3rd-and-long situations typically leads to turnover opportunities.

Only Ohio (29 in 11 games) and Utah State (26) have forced more turnovers than the Orange (25) this fall, and those extra possessions are one of the less-heralded factors in the team scoring 50-plus points in five games for the first time in program history.

An emphasis on ball disruption that started in the spring has paid off in a big way this fall. Continuing that trend against Notre Dame could go a long way toward having a chance to win late.

Babers wins the chess match
Dino Babers likes to say that he plays chess while others play checkers. Personally, I'm more of a Chinese checkers guy, but what I can tell you is this: Babers is at his best when he has a feel for his opponent.

Just ask Brent Venables, Clemson's defensive coordinator and one of the highest-paid assistants in the country, who watched his back end blow coverages in the Carrier Dome last fall.

Notre Dame defensive coordinator Clark Lea, a former Orange linebackers coach under Scott Shafer, is running a scheme that Babers has some familiarity with.

Babers squared off with Mike Elko, then Wake Forest's defensive coordinator, in Winston-Salem, N.C., in 2016. Elko left for Notre Dame in 2017, took Lea with him and then jumped to Texas A&M while Lea moved up to take his place.

I wouldn't be surprised to see SU's offense showcase a new wrinkle or two in an effort to expose a perceived weakness.

Running game thrives
Just like Syracuse, Notre Dame defends against the run worse than the pass.

The Fighting Irish rank 33rd in the country in average yards per rush allowed with 3.7, but that number has bumped up to 4.3 over the team's last three contests. Far from porous, obviously, but perhaps SU's rushing game can build off a couple strong performances.

After taking up Wake Forest's dare to beat them on the ground (and doing so in dominant fashion), Syracuse leaned on a season-best performance from junior running back Moe Neal, who took eight carries for 159 yards and two touchdowns against Louisville. He did the bulk of his damage with two 65-plus yard scampers.
 

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CBS Experts Picks ND v SU

CBS Experts Picks ND v SU

No. 12 Syracuse vs. No. 3 Notre Dame (-9.5) -- 2:30 p.m. on NBC, fuboTV (Try for free): Ian Book may be historically great in terms of accuracy, but in his six starts he hasn't faced a defensive front as tenacious as the one he'll see on the other side of the ball on Saturday afternoon. Alton Robinson leads a group that ranks No. 10 nationally in sacks per game and put a hurting on Trevor Lawrence earlier this year. Because of that, I'm expecting this to be a big game for running back Dexter Williams and a score that could be lower than you might expect given the potency of the two quarterbacks. Notre Dame will win and continue its playoff march, but Syracuse finishes inside the number. Pick: Syracuse +9.5 -- Chip Patterson



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CUSE +9.5	ND     ND      ND        SU         ND    SU       SU
 
 S/U	        ND      ND     ND        ND         ND    SU       SU
 

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that is every game tbh

No we lost the TO battle to Ball St, Pitt & Northwestern. Since all three offenses were one-dimensional, ND’s defense was able to contain them and minimize pts off TOs. Syracuse is not one-dimensional on offense & their D has been very opportunistic when it comes to TOs.

The Orange will likely put up a quick score if they can get the Irish to turn the ball over in their own territory. Ian Book & Co. have coughed it up in the 1st quarter in 4 of his 6 starts so hopefully they can avoid that trend tomorrow.
 

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https://nypost.com/2018/11/15/syracuse-hasnt-run-into-a-defense-like-notre-dame-yet/
By Jeff Fogle, VSiN November 15, 2018 | 10:23pm


Can Notre Dame’s defense deny, disrupt, and discombobulate talented Syracuse quarterback Eric Dungey? Answer that question, and Saturday’s meeting at Yankee Stadium (NBC, 2:30 p.m.) picks itself.

Undefeated No. 3 Notre Dame likely will be favored by about 10 points at kickoff, as the Irish try to maintain their grip on a spot in college football’s final four. That line is striking many observers as too high. It isn’t a home game. Syracuse is 8-2 this season, and has soared to No. 12 in the nation on the wings of a four-game winning streak. Plus, the Orange have an explosive offense that could hang with the Irish straight up, or score a garbage-time touchdown to turn a late 11- to 16-point deficit into a money maker.

The problem with that line of thinking is that Syracuse has faced an incredibly soft slate of defenses this season. Its offense couldn’t move the ball consistently the only time it faced an elite stop unit. That was in a 23-20 loss at Clemson (close because Clemson lost its starting quarterback early). One of Syracuse’s TD drives was just 10 yards after a Clemson turnover. Multi-faceted Dungey rushed for just 13 yards on 11 carries. The Orange were a woeful 3-of-15 on third down conversions.

Here are the current total defense rankings for Syracuse’s other opponent:
Western Michigan, 59th
N.C. State, 66th
Florida State, 68th
Pittsburgh, 82nd
North Carolina, 109th
Louisville, 117th
Wake Forest, 120th
Connecticut,130th
Wagner, not an FBS team.

There are 130 FBS defenses (UConn ranks dead last). Half of Syracuse’s slate has come against defenses ranked 109th or worse (if we assume Wagner would rank that poorly if it had to play a major schedule).

We know Dungey and the Orange can run roughshod over poor defenses, particularly at home on a fast track. We know they couldn’t do that on the road against the No. 2 defense of Clemson. What’s going to happen on neutral grass against Notre Dame’s 25th-ranked defense?

Note that Dungey struggled passing in a road game at Pitt, which is definitely a better “site/surface” match for Saturday’s battle in The Bronx than anything that happened in the Carrier Dome. He was 18-38-2-195 in the air in a 44-37 loss.

Syracuse’s hopes rest on Dungey’s shoulders. Though, it’s worth remembering the metaphorical target on Notre Dame’s backs. VSiN’s Brent Musburger used to call it “BCS Chaos” under a prior acronym. Many college football powers dreaming of January have been known to stagger in November when a dangerous live ’dog has them in its sights.
 

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Syracuse board is funny. A lot of them are saying this year is different and we have the talent but they have the will to win. We are undefeated and a loss knocks us potentially out of the playoffs. They have 2 losses. So yeah, maybe this year is different in the sense they don't completely suck but the team who still has a whole lot to play for is ND. No doubt SU is a good team and ND can absolutely lose this game if they come out unfocused or believing their own hype but there is no way SU is the team with more will to win. They also said ND is good for one bad loss each year. Pitt should have been that game but like 2012, we survived. SU wouldn't be a bad loss. They would be a top 10 opponent and would be the only loss that could possibly keep us in the playoffs. USC is the only bad loss left on our schedule.

And I don't believe they will come in with a can't beat us attitude. Other than UCF, they are the Rodney Dangerfield of CFB. Every single week minus Navy and Ball State, the talking heads have pumped up our opponents while putting us on upset alert. I guess they are hoping they will eventually be right.
 

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Syracuse board is funny. A lot of them are saying this year is different and we have the talent but they have the will to win. We are undefeated and a loss knocks us potentially out of the playoffs. They have 2 losses. So yeah, maybe this year is different in the sense they don't completely suck but the team who still has a whole lot to play for is ND. No doubt SU is a good team and ND can absolutely lose this game if they come out unfocused or believing their own hype but there is no way SU is the team with more will to win. They also said ND is good for one bad loss each year. Pitt should have been that game but like 2012, we survived. SU wouldn't be a bad loss. They would be a top 10 opponent and would be the only loss that could possibly keep us in the playoffs. USC is the only bad loss left on our schedule.

And I don't believe they will come in with a can't beat us attitude. Other than UCF, they are the Rodney Dangerfield of CFB. Every single week minus Navy and Ball State, the talking heads have pumped up our opponents while putting us on upset alert. I guess they are hoping they will eventually be right.

several opposing team's boards have been correct in November over the years....
but this year is different.




sound familiar? lol
 

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Gameday just said Tua has the highest completion percentage in the FBS... lord help them.
 

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Thanks for the welcome. I am a ND fan from upstate N.Y that currently lives in Mississippi and works in Alabama. Alabama fans where I work are the worst (Go War Eagle). I have been enjoying reading the Irish envy board for years and finally decided to join..

*** I had a dream last night that Notre Dame beat Bama 42 to 34 in the National Championship game. It was Glorious. Myles Boykin and Tevon Coney were the coMVP's.

As one of the two resident Bama fans out here (Bishop being the other) I feel compelled to help you out a little. The proper way to annunciate is War Eagle. If you really want to fit in and be the hardcore red neck, cow college, Bama Hating fan then you should say War Damn Eagle. The more preferred version and the one used most often that I agree with is simply "Bama is our daddy." And stop having dreams.
 
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Until like 5 minutes ago I thought this was a night game. Woups.
 

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Going to the Purdue game today. Going to follow the game on twitter, which is always fun.
 
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