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Jagusah hasn’t played OT in 5 months and has (1) game of experience there. It’s not that easy

I would hear out Lambert with a week of prep is better than Baker then just oh yeah play Jagusah there like that isn’t a massive risk. Lambert has about the same amount of practice at OT in his career, isn’t just off injury and isn’t a possible RG next Monday
It's not like he had a lifetime of guard play before that game.

They have/had ten days to figure it out.

The scenario that played out MID GAME isn't the one playing out vs OSU.

If they feel they can get Jag ready during the week I'm sure they will try. Rocco's availability is big factor. I'm sure those practices reps going to Baker could certainly do him a lot of good too.
 

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Not true, you often insert the most experienced guy when there is an injury because they have had the most time preparing for this situation and it's the least disruption to the other players. If they don't perform -- and you have time to get a "better" guy ready to go, but it means moving other pieces or making a scheme adjustment -- then you can do that. Happens quite frequently with QBs and position players of all sorts in the NFL.

I’m fully aware of this practice doesn’t need to be explained.

I get everyone is trying to will this into existence but the mostly likely answer is still the most obvious one. Baker will be LT because Baker is the backup LT.
 

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I’m fully aware of this practice doesn’t need to be explained.

I get everyone is trying to will this into existence but the mostly likely answer is still the most obvious one. Baker will be LT because Baker is the backup LT.
And that is where our injuries may catch up to us, as Sawyer and Tuimoloau will feast against Baker. We are talking about a guy that couldn't beat out a true freshman. I trust ND will have a plan, and Riley is shifty as hell....BUT....could get ugly fast.
 

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I’m fully aware of this practice doesn’t need to be explained.

I get everyone is trying to will this into existence but the mostly likely answer is still the most obvious one. Baker will be LT because Baker is the backup LT.
I would really like to see the numbers of how Baker played in the first half v. second half. Early on, it looked bad! As it progressed, it looked better. Personally, I roll with him and Jagusah at guard
 

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If he gave up 5 pressures at least one was the Angeli fumble. Not sure if another was while Angeli was in or not
 

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This is the only thread that matters to me through gameday.

If Spindler can get anywhere near 85% and Jagusah can move to LT then we are in good shape. CJ is a better option at LT for this game than Knapp, imo. Love close to 100% and the team rested and recovered from sickness and the extended season, we will be set to go. ND needs the 10-day layoff more than OSU for mental and physical reasons. I think a fair line for this game is 6.5 — that’s one turnover. We can absolutely get this done. This game is nothing like past games against Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, etc. — if we win it’s because we are better.
 

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And that is where our injuries may catch up to us, as Sawyer and Tuimoloau will feast against Baker. We are talking about a guy that couldn't beat out a true freshman. I trust ND will have a plan, and Riley is shifty as hell....BUT....could get ugly fast.
The beauty of this team is that none of them listen to or read what we say. Honestly, given the injuries, this team could've stumbled against Georgia or PSU, or even USC to end the year.

Let's just enjoy one more game. It's one more week of coverage for ND while all the other teams are done. No team has dealt with injuries on both sides of the ball and responded so well.

Georgia had a talent advantage. PSU had a talent advantage. tOSU has a talent advantage.
 

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And that is where our injuries may catch up to us, as Sawyer and Tuimoloau will feast against Baker. We are talking about a guy that couldn't beat out a true freshman. I trust ND will have a plan, and Riley is shifty as hell....BUT....could get ugly fast.
Then you make adjustments and roll the pocket away from him, line up a TE on that side to assist, and also have the RBs chip the hell out of the end. What can't happen is what Abdul Carter did to Aamil Wagner in the first half on top of Baker playing and needing help. Wagner needs to be able to single block and eliminate Sawyer.
 

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Then you make adjustments and roll the pocket away from him, line up a TE on that side to assist, and also have the RBs chip the hell out of the end. What can't happen is what Abdul Carter did to Aamil Wagner in the first half on top of Baker playing and needing help. Wagner needs to be able to single block and eliminate Sawyer.
Good news is Carter is a freak and JTT/Sawyer are not in the same stratosphere as him.
 

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I’m fully aware of this practice doesn’t need to be explained.

I get everyone is trying to will this into existence but the mostly likely answer is still the most obvious one. Baker will be LT because Baker is the backup LT.
I don't mind your posts, but relax. You explain a lot of situations on here all the time, but it's not like the rest of IE isn't aware or already know.
 

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Same stratosphere is a stretch, both of those DE for OSU are flat out gamers. Carter may be generational, but IMO those guys are not as far behind him as we'd like to think.
They are, but I don't think they have the ultra quickness of Carter.
 

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Same stratosphere is a stretch, both of those DE for OSU are flat out gamers. Carter may be generational, but IMO those guys are not as far behind him as we'd like to think.
Won’t disagree that they are uber talented and the Oline better shower up ready to play. I just don’t view them as being total game wreckers that have to be schemed around like Carter.
 

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Same stratosphere is a stretch, both of those DE for OSU are flat out gamers. Carter may be generational, but IMO those guys are not as far behind him as we'd like to think.
Very good players, not elite pass rushers. Sawyer only had 4.5 sacks during the regular season and JTT 6. For comparison that is less than Mills had, and for Sawyer only about a sack more than Junior had for us. They have been on a tear in the post season, but the regular season and their careers to date are the much larger sample size.
 

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I’m fully aware of this practice doesn’t need to be explained.

I get everyone is trying to will this into existence but the mostly likely answer is still the most obvious one. Baker will be LT because Baker is the backup LT.
So then why did you say it “doesn’t happen?” Jagusah spent all of 2024 training as LT and it’s a simple A vs B for the staff if they think there is another quality player that can go at RG. They could also have multiple OL lineups ready to go for the game and try different things to see what is working (e.g. start Tosh and give him quick hook or start Spindler and quick hook if his ankle isn’t holding up).
 

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So then why did you say it “doesn’t happen?” Jagusah spent all of 2024 training as LT and it’s a simple A vs B for the staff if they think there is another quality player that can go at RG. They could also have multiple OL lineups ready to go for the game and try different things to see what is working (e.g. start Tosh and give him quick hook or start Spindler and quick hook if his ankle isn’t holding up).
I would also say yes, Baker is the backup LT, but Jagusah was supposed to be the guy in front of him...actually the guy in front of the the guy in front of him. If your best LT is back, it would make sense if they have 10 days to prepare him to lock down the most important position along the line in the biggest game of the year they would.
 

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So then why did you say it “doesn’t happen?” Jagusah spent all of 2024 training as LT and it’s a simple A vs B for the staff if they think there is another quality player that can go at RG. They could also have multiple OL lineups ready to go for the game and try different things to see what is working (e.g. start Tosh and give him quick hook or start Spindler and quick hook if his ankle isn’t holding up).

Sorry I’m confused which post are you referring to “doesn’t happen”
 

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So then why did you say it “doesn’t happen?” Jagusah spent all of 2024 training as LT and it’s a simple A vs B for the staff if they think there is another quality player that can go at RG. They could also have multiple OL lineups ready to go for the game and try different things to see what is working (e.g. start Tosh and give him quick hook or start Spindler and quick hook if his ankle isn’t holding up).
Wonder why Pendleton isn't in the mix now at RG. He started for almost half the season, was he that bad? Starting him would be a good way to avoid using Baker if you honestly feel Jagusah is the better LT. Is Pendleton at 100% really worse than Spindler at 85%?
 

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Wonder why Pendleton isn't in the mix now at RG. He started for almost half the season, was he that bad? Starting him would be a good way to avoid using Baker if you honestly feel Jagusah is the better LT. Is Pendleton at 100% really worse than Spindler at 85%?
Sadly, yes
 

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We can all agree they will do what they think gives them the bet chance to win this single game.

The fact that they went with the true Freshman LT against TAMU, and JG against PSU, indicates to me that they will go with the better player to a point. But I also think that Tosh being the backup LT in PSU indicates that they may play it safer with in-game, emergency backups than they do with replacement players.

I think they would definitely replace Tosh if they had more time, but they don't have much.

My guess is that they go with CJ starting at LT and Spindler at RG. If Spindler goes down, they may slide CJ over and play Tosh at LT. However, I wouldn't be shocked if they went with Jagusah at LT and Penndelton at RG. I would be a little surprised, but not shocked, if they went CJ at RG and Lambert at LT since they can quickly go back to Baker if Lambert is overwhelmed, whereas Baker may be overwhelmed as well and its harder to switch to a young kid who was not mentally planning on starting.
 
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is Absher not an option at RG? He played a lot of special teams reps and got some snaps on offense throighout the year. Also, more size.
 

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We can all agree they will do what they think gives them the bet chance to win this single game.

The fact that they went with the true Freshman LT against TAMU, and JG against PSU, indicates to me that they will go with the better player to a point. But I also think that Tosh being the backup LT in PSU indicates that they may play it safer with in-game, emergency backups than they do with replacement players.

I think they would definitely replace Tosh if they had more time, but they don't have much.

My guess is that they go with CJ starting at LT and Spindler at RG. If Spindler goes down, they may slide CJ over and play Tosh at LT. However, I wouldn't be shocked if they went with Jagusah at LT and Penndelton at RG. I would be a little surprised, but not shocked, if they went CJ at RG and Lambert at LT since they can quickly go back to Baker if Lambert is overwhelmed, whereas Baker may be overwhelmed as well and its harder to switch to a young kid who was not mentally planning on starting.
I'm guessing we won't know until they get practice time at the stadium and reporters get a glimpse.
 

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I would really like to see the numbers of how Baker played in the first half v. second half. Early on, it looked bad! As it progressed, it looked better. Personally, I roll with him and Jagusah at guard
He gave up one pressure before Leonard left the game, and may have been credited with a second. Leonard left the pocket, and whoever Baker was blocking, changed directions so it was impossible for Baker to sustain the block. He gave up the sack on Angeli, which was bad. There may have been another pressure on that same drive, but there was pressure everywhere so who the hell knows who was credited with giving up the pressure.

Second half wasn't exactly pretty. On the scoring drive to take the lead in the 3rd quarter, he gave up a sack when Leonard tried to escape up the pocket, and 33 crossed his face and took him down for a yard or two loss. That was more on Leonard than Baker, though. The next few plays were rough. He pulled on a run play and kinda just fell over. He got abused by 33 again on 3rd down, but Leonard climbed the pocket, threw early, and Greathouse made a great play on the ball. A play or two later, he gave up inside pressure to 15, but Leonard escaped the pocket clean and picked up five or six yards. He whiffed on another run block, but Jags pulled and smacked the defender when he got upfield, and Love read it and picked up a few yards. He ended the drive a little better - he got a hand on the end and pushed him out just enough to give Thomas a crease on that end around.

I'm not sure he could have been thrown into a worse situation. 11 and 33 were flying around and played their asses off, and 15 was a really good player too - all great athletes. Worse yet, they had some really unorthodox presnap alignments on the D line which made it even more difficult. IMO, Penn State's edge players are better than OSU. Better athletes, for sure. Baker pussy foots around when he's in space, whether it's pass blocking or run blocking in the 2nd level. That's where I see the potential issue. Sawyer is a high-effort player who plays with a low pad level, and if Baker comes out high with happy feet, he’s going to light his ass up. OSU's LBers have issues between their ears but they are good athletes, and Baker is going to have trouble latching onto them in space.

Denbrock has to account for that in the run game, and do his best to scheme around it. In pass pro, he's going to give up pressure, no doubt about it. Not ideal, but Leonard is a wizard in the pocket - he can escape and keep drives alive. PSU took that away b/c tehy were able to get pressure from everywhere and Carter is so fast, he could run Leonard down. Sawyer is good but his goofy ass can't run with Leonard. IMO, the key OSU will be how well Wagner holds up on his side. If he keeps the right side clean, Leonard will have room to work when Baker gets beat.
 

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I mean, I watched JTT single-handedly decide that Ohio State was getting the ball back at the end of our game last year. He doesn't suck. But Carter was absurd, what he could do. With one arm!
You sure that wasn’t Sam Hartman you were watching?
 
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