NFL Fantasy Football Keeper 2016

[Ironman8]

I don't care anymore. We voted and if people don't want to go by the vote results then Gattaca should just set whatever rules he thinks are fair and I am good with it. Let's just stick to it going forward.

Fine with me. The rules right now are no 1st or 2nds, a one round penalty each year on keeper, and 3 total keepers.

I think then the only final thing to vote on is if the 3 keepers is a requirement or max. I'd vote for max, and that anyone could keep 0-3 if they want.

 

[wizards8507]

You can't pick Brown in the first if you finish in the upper half of the league. So you can't own a player you were smart enough to draft because you did well the previous year. But the way you can do well for going forward is just draft lottery picks late. Do you not agree that is best tangible way to get ROI in your system?

No. Based on the uncertainty of the NFL with injuries and everything else, I think the best ROI is to focus on making your current year team as strong as possible.

E(rt) = [E(r1) / ((1+k))] + [E(r2) / ((1+k)^2)] + [E(r3) / ((1+k)^3)] + ....

Where expected total return is equal to the sum of expected future season returns discounted by k, the risk due to uncertainty and time value of money. The further out you get, the greater the discount. So the greatest possible total return is achieved by focusing on the current season.

Fine with me. The rules right now are no 1st or 2nds, a one round penalty each year on keeper, and 3 total keepers.

I think then the only final thing to vote on is if the 3 keepers is a requirement or max. I'd vote for max, and that anyone could keep 0-3 if they want.

I think number of keepers is skewed because it wasn't a binary choice. The average poll result is 2.1.

 

[Ironman8]

No. Based on the uncertainty of the NFL with injuries and everything else, I think the best ROI is to focus on making your current year team as strong as possible.

E(rt) = [E(r1) / ((1+k))] + [E(r2) / ((1+k)^2)] + [E(r3) / ((1+k)^3)] + ....

Where expected total return is equal to the sum of expected future season returns discounted by k, the risk due to uncertainty and time value of money. The further out you get, the greater the discount. So the greatest possible total return is achieved by focusing on the current season.

I guarantee every smart owner will build for a good current team the first 10 rounds, then take high upside fliers from then on out the rest of the draft. It's the only way to do well consistently over season in a keeper league set up this way. I'll play to whatever rules are set though, and we will see what happens.

 

[IrishLion]

Oh my gawd.

There is a long mathematical equation in the fantasy football thread.

Kill it with fire.

 

[Ironman8]

I think number of keepers is skewed because it wasn't a binary choice. The average poll result is 2.1.

I'm going with majority of picks. The most people chose 3 picks.

 

[wizards8507]

I guarantee every smart owner will build for a good current team the first 10 rounds, then take high upside fliers from then on out the rest of the draft. It's the only way to do well consistently over season in a keeper league set up this way. I'll play to whatever rules are set though, and we will see what happens.

Our prize structure isn't set up to reward doing well consistently. It's set up to reward doing exceptionally well once.

 

[wizards8507]

Oh my gawd.

There is a long mathematical equation in the fantasy football thread.

Kill it with fire.

I'll send you my draft kit once I put it together. You'd love it.

 

[Ironman8]

Our prize structure isn't set up to reward doing well consistently. It's set up to reward doing exceptionally well once.

No, it's setup to try and do exceptionally well every year. And the best way to set up your team to do that is to maximize ROI each year with keepers. No owner that is good enough to win the title is going to just focus 'doing exceptionally well once'.

 

[Ironman8]

It's done though. People voted and we are going with the GK and Wizard system. I've voiced my opinion but won't complain or say anything after today. Let's just play.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Fine with me. The rules right now are no 1st or 2nds, a one round penalty each year on keeper, and 3 total keepers.

I think then the only final thing to vote on is if the 3 keepers is a requirement or max. I'd vote for max, and that anyone could keep 0-3 if they want.

Do we even need to vote on that? Is anyone arguing that an owner should have to keep 3 players?

 

[Ironman8]

Do we even need to vote on that? Is anyone arguing that an owner should have to keep 3 players?

Haha I hope not.

 

[GATTACA!]

Alright I will update the rules when I get home. What changes need to be made? Just the number of keepers and making them optional?

 

[GATTACA!]

Also let's get some thoughts on a date for the draft ASAP so as many of us as possible are available. I don't want to have to be drafting from work again this year lol.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Also let's get some thoughts on a date for the draft ASAP so as many of us as possible are available. I don't want to have to be drafting from work again this year lol.

As close to the season as possible, please

 

[Irish Insanity]

I don't remember if it was out of haste or what, but for some reason we deliberately punted on nailing down keeper rules before last season. It was not a good choice, but whatever. It isn't the end of the world, either.

I think we decided to do keepers but decided we had plenty of time before this draft to sort out the rules for it.

OMG, can't believe you guys are still using a snake draft.

Go to auction style. The only way to go, IMO. That way everyone gets a fair shake at every player. I will never participate in another snake draft as long as I live.

Regarding your debate on keepers, go to auction draft and use last year's average auction price from ESPN as your keeper price, and reduce each auction budget accordingly. Problem solved. Set a max number of years players can be kept, and increase the price paid by $5 per year or something like that.

There ya go, I just stuck my head where it done don't belong!

I'd love to try auction, even if it was starting over. Or pick a site to use player values from and we have a salary cap to use and each player is assigned a set salary.

I don't care anymore. We voted and if people don't want to go by the vote results then Gattaca should just set whatever rules he thinks are fair and I am good with it. Let's just stick to it going forward.

Can we get someone to post a full run down of what we've decided upon after its set. There's so much to go thru in this thread it's hard to follow.

Also let's get some thoughts on a date for the draft ASAP so as many of us as possible are available. I don't want to have to be drafting from work again this year lol.

I approve this message.

 

[gkIrish]

It's done though. People voted and we are going with the GK and Wizard system. I've voiced my opinion but won't complain or say anything after today. Let's just play.

Just to be clear are these the rules we are adopting?

-Up to 3 Keepers. Managers may keep 0, 1, 2, or 3 players.
-Players who were undrafted start as 10th round picks the following year. If you pick up a waived player who was drafted or trade for a player they retain their original draft round value.
-A penalty of 1 round is assessed for each keeper. If your player was a 10th round pick in 2015, he will be a 9th round pick in 2016.
-Any player may be kept, unless they were drafted in rounds 1 or 2 of the previous year. Therefore, a player drafted in round 3 of 2015 may be kept in 2016 as a round 2 pick. However, the player may not be kept in 2017 because he was a Round 2 pick in 2016.
-Trade deadline is also the keeper deadline.

 

[irish o'phile]

Just to be clear are these the rules we are adopting?

-Up to 3 Keepers. Managers may keep 0, 1, 2, or 3 players.
-Players who were undrafted start as 10th round picks the following year. If you pick up a waived player who was drafted or trade for a player they retain their original draft round value.
-A penalty of 1 round is assessed for each keeper. If your player was a 10th round pick in 2015, he will be a 9th round pick in 2016.
-Any player may be kept, unless they were drafted in rounds 1 or 2 of the previous year. Therefore, a player drafted in round 3 of 2015 may be kept in 2016 as a round 2 pick. However, the player may not be kept in 2017 because he was a Round 2 pick in 2016.
-Trade deadline is also the keeper deadline.

Im good to go. Thanks for the summary.

 

[Ironman8]

Just to be clear are these the rules we are adopting?

-Up to 3 Keepers. Managers may keep 0, 1, 2, or 3 players.
-Players who were undrafted start as 10th round picks the following year. If you pick up a waived player who was drafted or trade for a player they retain their original draft round value.
-A penalty of 1 round is assessed for each keeper. If your player was a 10th round pick in 2015, he will be a 9th round pick in 2016.
-Any player may be kept, unless they were drafted in rounds 1 or 2 of the previous year. Therefore, a player drafted in round 3 of 2015 may be kept in 2016 as a round 2 pick. However, the player may not be kept in 2017 because he was a Round 2 pick in 2016.
-Trade deadline is also the keeper deadline.

Sounds right. Thanks.

 

[wizards8507]

Just to be clear are these the rules we are adopting?

-Up to 3 Keepers. Managers may keep 0, 1, 2, or 3 players.
-Players who were undrafted start as 10th round picks the following year. If you pick up a waived player who was drafted or trade for a player they retain their original draft round value.
-A penalty of 1 round is assessed for each keeper. If your player was a 10th round pick in 2015, he will be a 9th round pick in 2016.
-Any player may be kept, unless they were drafted in rounds 1 or 2 of the previous year. Therefore, a player drafted in round 3 of 2015 may be kept in 2016 as a round 2 pick. However, the player may not be kept in 2017 because he was a Round 2 pick in 2016.
-Trade deadline is also the keeper deadline.

Two concerns.

1. I think two keepers more accurately reflects the results of the poll. Although it got the lowest number of votes, it seems like a fair compromise between all options. The vote was almost evenly split between one and three.

2. I'd suggest that the trade deadline / keeper deadline not take effect until next season. We weren't making decisions last year with that rule in mind.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Just to be clear are these the rules we are adopting?

-Up to 3 Keepers. Managers may keep 0, 1, 2, or 3 players.
-Players who were undrafted start as 10th round picks the following year. If you pick up a waived player who was drafted or trade for a player they retain their original draft round value.
-A penalty of 1 round is assessed for each keeper. If your player was a 10th round pick in 2015, he will be a 9th round pick in 2016.
-Any player may be kept, unless they were drafted in rounds 1 or 2 of the previous year. Therefore, a player drafted in round 3 of 2015 may be kept in 2016 as a round 2 pick. However, the player may not be kept in 2017 because he was a Round 2 pick in 2016.
-Trade deadline is also the keeper deadline.

I sign off on this

 

[gkIrish]

Two concerns.

1. I think two keepers more accurately reflects the results of the poll. Although it got the lowest number of votes, it seems like a fair compromise between all options. The vote was almost evenly split between one and three.

2. I'd suggest that the trade deadline / keeper deadline not take effect until next season. We weren't making decisions last year with that rule in mind.

1) I agree with you but I am tired of arguing.

2) That is the case. We didn't take a record last year. So this is only a prospective rule.

 

[GATTACA!]

We need to pick a date to have keepers selected by. I'll have to manually approve all the selections there isnt technically a way to limit the number to 3. Once the keeper selection deadline is over I can adjust the draft order.

How long do we need? A few days? The weekend?

 

[wizards8507]

What's the default draft order?

 

[GATTACA!]

What's the default draft order?

I haven't generated it yet. Are we going random or are we basing it on last ye are results. I'd assume random.

Also is everyone from last year on board?

 

[gkIrish]

I haven't generated it yet. Are we going random or are we basing it on last ye are results. I'd assume random.

Also is everyone from last year on board?

Random would seem to be most fair.

I think everyone is playing again.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Is there any way to have it randomly re-seed every 2 rounds?

 

[GATTACA!]

Is there any way to have it randomly re-seed every 2 rounds?

I believe I'd have to do that by hand. I have no problem doing that but we would need a concensus.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Why would we want to do that? Seems needlessly complicated and I don't see a benefit to it.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I believe I'd have to do that by hand. I have no problem doing that but we would need a concensus.

Why would we want to do that? Seems needlessly complicated and I don't see a benefit to it.

If it's gotta be done by hand I'll pass. It's just something we did in our live draft. Every 2 rounds draw a card.
The benefit is moving around the draft order. As opposed to the same spot every other round.

 

[GATTACA!]

When can everyone have their keepers picked by?