NFL Fantasy Football 2015

[Rhode Irish]

Works for me - either one. Doesn't have to be a lot of juice, just a little something to get people to pay attention.

 

[gkIrish]

How does like $10-20 work for everyone?

I propose we start at $20 this year and then increase by $10 every year up to a $50 max. That way people are serious about this, which is important for a keeper league.

I also propose the two keepers may only be from rounds three or later. So anyone picked in rounds 1 and 2 may not be a keeper the following season.

 

[bkess8]

Man I really want in this, kinda bummed!

 

[wizards8507]

I propose we start at $20 this year and then increase by $10 every year up to a $50 max. That way people are serious about this, which is important for a keeper league.

I also propose the two keepers may only be from rounds three or later. So anyone picked in rounds 1 and 2 may not be a keeper the following season.

I'm kewl with this. I'll be in for $10 to $20. How do we structure the payout?

 

[Rhode Irish]

I propose we start at $20 this year and then increase by $10 every year up to a $50 max. That way people are serious about this, which is important for a keeper league.

I also propose the two keepers may only be from rounds three or later. So anyone picked in rounds 1 and 2 may not be a keeper the following season.

I like the first idea, but not sure I like or understand the limitation on sleepers. I would vote against that.

 

[Ironman8]

I'm kewl with this. I'll be in for $10 to $20. How do we structure the payout?

1st Place gets 160.
2nd place gets 50.
(Players in the championship game can work out a split between them if they wish but must be agreed to by both parties before the games)

Winner of 3rd place game gets 30.

Does that seem fair?

 

[wizards8507]

1st Place gets 160.
2nd place gets 50.
(Players in the championship game can work out a split between them if they wish but must be agreed to by both parties before the games)

Winner of 3rd place game gets 30.

Does that seem fair?

Remind me of our playoff structure. Four teams, two weeks, or six teams (with byes) over three weeks?

 

[IrishLion]

I could do $20, but I'll need to set up a paypal, which I have not done.

Also, keepers are cool. I vote that everybody can keep 1 player, and you lose that pick in the next draft. If you don't want to keep anybody, that's cool too.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I've been in a 12-team auction league for about five years now. No keepers. Standard scoring. It's a very progressive, open-minded group who are always looking to make the league better.

We evaluated three ways to score the league: 1) Standard head-to-head, 2) Straight up highest scores, and 3) A point system that combined the two. At the end of the year, we cross-referenced all three methods and found that routes 2 and 3 had the same playoff teams and the same champion and the same payout. But route 1 had a mess of fluke wins/losses that altered the outcome of the league. Essentially route 1 had a totally different payout and teams who "just got lucky" ended up winning versus a team who was statistically better. So in order to remove the fluke results and luck that occurs in FF, we voted and opted for route 2 (high scoring). It's been great and everyone is super competitive. Some outsiders have said they enjoy the fun in a weekly battle, but even they understand that the better teams deserve the cash, which is the premise to our league. If you're truly the best, prove it.

It's not a perfect system, but everyone in our league enjoys it and feels it has been proven to be more fair. Anyone have thoughts on this? I'm curious.

 

[Ironman8]

Remind me of our playoff structure. Four teams, two weeks, or six teams (with byes) over three weeks?

It was four teams, two weeks last year but we can change it to six teams w/ byes over 3 weeks if people prefer that. I honestly think I would personally rather the 6 teams. Get more guys in there.

 

[gkIrish]

I like the first idea, but not sure I like or understand the limitation on sleepers. I would vote against that.

It's fairly standard to have a limitation on keepers. Let's say the best player in the draft is Matt Forte. And let's say he is the best player every year. You wouldn't want the first pick in the draft to be able to keep the best player indefinitely.

The point of a keeper is to draft young guys/later picks that you can hold on to for awhile. Not to keep the elite guys.

Remind me of our playoff structure. Four teams, two weeks, or six teams (with byes) over three weeks?

Standard for a 12 man league is 6 teams with byes to the top 2 seeds.

 

[wizards8507]

It's not a perfect system, but everyone in our league enjoys it and feels it has been proven to be more fair. Anyone have thoughts on this? I'm curious.

It's certainly a more fair way to identify the "best team" but, as you mentioned, goes against what makes Fantasy Football exciting for me, which is the head-to-head each week. Note that the "fluke win" argument is one I have made several times in my opposition to the College Football Playoff. Everyone except the European soccer fans bite my head off every time I bring it up, but head-to-head is really a poor way to identify a champion due to the "any given Sunday" effect.

 

[wizards8507]

It was four teams, two weeks last year but we can change it to six teams w/ byes over 3 weeks if people prefer that. I honestly think I would personally rather the 6 teams. Get more guys in there.

It's fairly standard to have a limitation on keepers. Let's say the best player in the draft is Matt Forte. And let's say he is the best player every year. You wouldn't want the first pick in the draft to be able to keep the best player indefinitely.

The point of a keeper is to draft young guys/later picks that you can hold on to for awhile. Not to keep the elite guys.

Standard for a 12 man league is 6 teams with byes to the top 2 seeds.

I think I prefer a smaller playoff when there's money on the line. Otherwise you end up with a situation like BBG just brought up where a mediocre #6 team works his way into the money with a fluke win over teams that have performed more consistently throughout the season. I don't feel strongly about this, so I'm open to being outvoted.

 

[gkIrish]

It's fairly standard to have a limitation on keepers. Let's say the best player in the draft is Matt Forte. And let's say he is the best player every year. You wouldn't want the first pick in the draft to be able to keep the best player indefinitely.

The point of a keeper is to draft young guys/later picks that you can hold on to for awhile. Not to keep the elite guys.




Standard for a 12 man league is 6 teams with byes to the top 2 seeds.

The other reason you don't want keepers in the first 2 rounds is that it screws up the snake draft too much in the first 2 rounds the following year. If I drafted #1 overall in 2015 but got the #12 pick in 2016, I benefit significantly from choosing to use my keeper. If you do 3rd round or later it has a smaller effect.

 

[IrishLion]

It's not a perfect system, but everyone in our league enjoys it and feels it has been proven to be more fair. Anyone have thoughts on this? I'm curious.

I run a 12-team league that has a $75 buy-in.

We've had a couple years where there is a runaway points leader that decimates the league during the season, but then loses on a fluke in the playoffs. So, to balance it a bit, we put a bonus payment out there for the regular season points leader, and also award $10 to the high score each week as an additional bonus. I like the weekly bonus because it gives the bottom teams incentive to keep making moves and try to eek out a late win or two, but it also rewards the best regular season team a bit more.

Here were our payouts that try to account a bit for general flukiness:

1st Place: $380
2nd Place: $150
3rd Place: $60
Regular Season Points Leader: $150
Weekly High Score Payout Total: $160

So if you're the best team all year, lead in points, but then get ousted from the playoffs, you at least win some cash from being the points leader and probably via some weekly bonuses as well.

If you crushed the league all year AND win the playoffs, then you are rewarded accordingly for not being victimized by a fluke. Last year, our winner got 1st place and was the points leader, and had quite a few bonuses, so he cleaned up.

The year before, I snuck into the playoffs and then put together a miracle run, so I got $380 for my late-season savvy, but the regular season points leader was still rewarded handsomely as well.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Are we all in 1 league or are there 2 this year?

 

[Rhode Irish]

It's fairly standard to have a limitation on keepers. Let's say the best player in the draft is Matt Forte. And let's say he is the best player every year. You wouldn't want the first pick in the draft to be able to keep the best player indefinitely.

The point of a keeper is to draft young guys/later picks that you can hold on to for awhile. Not to keep the elite guys.




Standard for a 12 man league is 6 teams with byes to the top 2 seeds.

The way that has been dealt with in every league I've ever been a part of is that you can't keep a player for more than two years in a row. I've also seen the second year cost you a higher round pick than he was originally taken. But I've never heard of there being a limitation on what round keepers can come from. It seems to take away one of the fundamental decisions of a keeper league. For example, in my keeper league, I can keep one of Jamaal Charles in the first, Antonio Brown in the second or Jeremy Hill in the eighth. There is obvious advantages to keeping later round picks because you can keep all your high picks, but if you're willing to sacrifice your first rounder to keep a guy that is your prerogative. The idea is that you're probably disadvantaging yourself keeping a first rounder if other guys in your league are keeping first round players later in the draft, but that decision should still be left to the player.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I think I prefer a smaller playoff when there's money on the line. Otherwise you end up with a situation like BBG just brought up where a mediocre #6 team works his way into the money with a fluke win over teams that have performed more consistently throughout the season. I don't feel strongly about this, so I'm open to being outvoted.

That is what makes it fun, though. I'd definitely prefer six playoff teams and open it up a little. You still are advantaged if you have a good regular season because you only have to win 2 games rather than 3.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

It's certainly a more fair way to identify the "best team" but, as you mentioned, goes against what makes Fantasy Football exciting for me, which is the head-to-head each week. Note that the "fluke win" argument is one I have made several times in my opposition to the College Football Playoff. Everyone except the European soccer fans bite my head off every time I bring it up, but head-to-head is really a poor way to identify a champion due to the "any given Sunday" effect.

I was the pioneer with the fluke movement in our league. Two years in a row I had a top team in the league and got ousted in the playoffs because of dumb luck. I know it's the nature of the game and your "any given Sunday" quote is spot on, but what really set me off was that I more than doubled these other teams in points over the course of the playoffs. Literally everyone agreed I had the best team(s) but the damage was done and I lost out on a lot of money. I went to the league with my ideas and was pleasantly surprised when everyone agreed. I finished second last year, dumb luck involved again, but not in a way that FF had any part in it. It was just your typical "guys didn't show up this week" luck we all know so well. Because of this, it was easier to swallow.

I run a 12-team league that has a $75 buy-in.

We've had a couple years where there is a runaway points leader that decimates the league during the season, but then loses on a fluke in the playoffs. So, to balance it a bit, we put a bonus payment out there for the regular season points leader, and also award $10 to the high score each week as an additional bonus. I like the weekly bonus because it gives the bottom teams incentive to keep making moves and try to eek out a late win or two, but it also rewards the best regular season team a bit more.

Here were our payouts that try to account a bit for general flukiness:

1st Place: $380
2nd Place: $150
3rd Place: $60
Regular Season Points Leader: $150
Weekly High Score Payout Total: $160

So if you're the best team all year, lead in points, but then get ousted from the playoffs, you at least win some cash from being the points leader and probably via some weekly bonuses as well.

If you crushed the league all year AND win the playoffs, then you are rewarded accordingly for not being victimized by a fluke. Last year, our winner got 1st place and was the points leader, and had quite a few bonuses, so he cleaned up.

The year before, I snuck into the playoffs and then put together a miracle run, so I got $380 for my late-season savvy, but the regular season points leader was still rewarded handsomely as well.

I like the payout system you use. We've done something similar. It helps keep the bottom feeders engaged for the whole season.

 

[gkIrish]

I like the payout system you use. We've done something similar. It helps keep the bottom feeders engaged for the whole season.

I like the weekly payout structure too but with $20 buy ins it won't be meaningful. If we ever get to $50 we should definitely try that.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Jordy Nelson just tore his ACL.

 

[bkess8]

Anyone have an opening in any of their leagues?

 

[woolybug25]

Jordy Nelson just tore his ACL.

The guy in our league that has first pick is keeping Cobb. We were all laughing at him, but he's a big Packers fan. He had Brees, but outside of that, his team stunk (hence having a good pick). So he figured he would pick Cobb, grab a good player with the #1 overall pick, then rename his team "Slob On My Cobb".

His plan is turning out nicely for him so far.

 

[IrishLion]

The guy in our league that has first pick is keeping Cobb. We were all laughing at him, but he's a big Packers fan. He had Brees, but outside of that, his team stunk (hence having a good pick). So he figured he would pick Cobb, grab a good player with the #1 overall pick, then rename his team "Slob On My Cobb".

His plan is turning out nicely for him so far.

When taking into account his fantastic team name, I would go a step further and say it's worked out perfectly lol.

Also, how much value does this add to Devante Adams? Reports say he has been awesome, but was blocked on the depth chart? Could be a steal now.

 

[dublinirish]

The guy in our league that has first pick is keeping Cobb. We were all laughing at him, but he's a big Packers fan. He had Brees, but outside of that, his team stunk (hence having a good pick). So he figured he would pick Cobb, grab a good player with the #1 overall pick, then rename his team "Slob On My Cobb".

His plan is turning out nicely for him so far.

cobb was awesome last year when I had him.

 

[gkIrish]

Did we settle on a draft time/date?

 

[wizards8507]

Did we settle on a draft time/date?

Or how much money we pay and to whom.

 

[gkIrish]

Or how much money we pay and to whom.

I didn't see any objections to $20.00 so let's go with that.

Ironman---you have the option to collect money as the Commish. If you want to delegate that to me I can do it. I have Pay Pal, Venmo, etc.

As far as draft date how about the Tuesday before the season starts at 9pm?

 

[Irish Insanity]

I kept Forte in my keeper league. I have pick 3. So it'll either be Rodgers, Luck, Lacey, Lynch, or Charles. I expect 1 of each of those position to be off the board as the guy will draft a QB and the guy at 2 a RB. So who is your top 3 in order from that list?

On a side note, the guy at 5 kept Gronk instead of Luck. That confuses me greatly.

 

[wizards8507]

I kept Forte in my keeper league. I have pick 3. So it'll either be Rodgers, Luck, Lacey, Lynch, or Charles. I expect 1 of each of those position to be off the board as the guy will draft a QB and the guy at 2 a RB. So who is your top 3 in order from that list?

On a side note, the guy at 5 kept Gronk instead of Luck. That confuses me greatly.

Gronk is the single most valuable fantasy player in the league if he stays healthy. Like, you could make an argument for #1 overall pick kinds of valuable. The reason being there's a huge drop-off from him to the rest of the population of tight ends. You can get decent quarterback, running back, and wide receiver production in late rounds. But there's only one tight end that will do Gronk amounts of production.