I'm not the AD, and we'd be totally screwed if I was... But I've watched every ND game since 1986 and that was the worst 5 game stretch I've ever seen. Maybe if your D is decimated by injury you change your offensive game plan a touch? BK reminds me of myself on the golf course after a couple bad holes. Terrible game plans, terrible in-game decision making, etc.
Next year's coach!
- Thread starter PLACforever
- Start date
- Messages
- 16,041
- Reaction score
- 5,491
We did get almost 35PPG, and anything above 28PPG expected is sort of irrational for a fan base in the first place.
(I'm okay with people arguing the offense could've been better, but I'm just saying, 35PPG is a great average and there problems with the offense that could have easily been foreseen by fans.)
Last edited:
ickythump1225
New member
- Messages
- 4,036
- Reaction score
- 323
I want to clarify my opinion of BK, I don't think he's a bad coach. This is bigger than BK, some sort of institutional problem. Maybe we're cursed or something. I just had visions of multiple 10 win seasons in a row and a national title by now under BK but I just don't believe that we're going to ever get back to that point. If everything goes right we're a program capable of making a run every 5 or 6 years but I really think 7-9 win seasons will be more normal than 10 win seasons.
I don't think BK should be fired but even if he was to be fired, who are we going to get? That is the most depressing question to ask yourself? Who is an objectively better coach than BK that will come to ND? By all indications BK was a home run hire. If he can't get it done here, who can?
I don't think BK should be fired but even if he was to be fired, who are we going to get? That is the most depressing question to ask yourself? Who is an objectively better coach than BK that will come to ND? By all indications BK was a home run hire. If he can't get it done here, who can?
- Messages
- 16,041
- Reaction score
- 5,491
I let him know to stop posting right after he said that. You still want to think we moderate unfairly and bitch about it? I bet you do.
K
koonja
Guest
True, but those numbers are inflated IMO by the fact that we've been behind so much that we're throwing 1000 times a game.
IDK about that in today's CFB.
Irish Insanity
Well-known member
- Messages
- 9,885
- Reaction score
- 584
Both. Kelly's play calling has been pathetic at times. His flat out refusal to run. Going for 2. Benching better players. It is his job to put his team in a position to win. He's failed to do that down the stretch several times. And Golson, the TO's are bad. Real bad. He looks like an abused family pet. Doesn't respond to criticism well. Seems to be more of an inward person, which takes away from leadership. And it alienates him from the team as he walks away from the coach at times and just sits and pouts on the bench. Then again, what do you expect form a team who's coach refuses to accept blame for anything. You can expect the team to follow.
ulukinatme
Carr for QB 2025!
- Messages
- 31,516
- Reaction score
- 17,382
I think, even with our academic standards, 9-10 wins each regular season should be doable with a good coach. Obviously there were extenuating circumstances with the defense this year and QB play that cost us games, and similar circumstances last year (Although, oddly enough, less injuries and less turnovers). Next year's schedule won't be a cake walk either, and it starts with Texas week one. They're going to come ready to play, and while they've had a rough first year under Strong he's making them a tough team.
NoJusticeNoPeace
Banned
- Messages
- 7,068
- Reaction score
- 410
Better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all. Except replace loved with tried to get better at football.
Not a lot of faith in Swarbrick?
Irish Insanity
Well-known member
- Messages
- 9,885
- Reaction score
- 584
BK's refusal to run hurt us on D too. We had a very young and injury decimated D, RUN THE FUCKING BALL SO THEY WILL HAVE MORE TIME ON THE SIDELINE AND LESS ON THE FIELD. Not to mention we ran pretty well most games.
dang227
Well-known member
- Messages
- 6,596
- Reaction score
- 2,101
Kaneyoufeelit
Bowl Eligible
- Messages
- 4,440
- Reaction score
- 635
I hear ya but USC is awful on pass d, like 105th or so awful. It's not a bad game plan to try to exploit that
NDRock
Well-known member
- Messages
- 7,489
- Reaction score
- 5,448
The offense has been disappointing during Kelly's entire tenure. I personally would love to see a more power spread (more run heavy, multiple TEs, under center more) but I'm convinced it will never happen with him. Since we are going to chuck it all over I'm hoping we recruit better WRs, outside of Fuller, they're pretty average.
ulukinatme
Carr for QB 2025!
- Messages
- 31,516
- Reaction score
- 17,382
It's not Swarbrick, it's the list of possible coaches. Who do you possibly think would come to ND at this point? Whoever comes in has to be a proven HC that has won at every level and he's looking to step into probably one of the worst jobs in the country (From an expectations/limitations/pressure perspective). I can think of a few guys that Swarbrick could go after, but I also think it's unlikely those guys would leave their current jobs for ND. I honestly don't think this is a good year to be searching for a new HC, especially when you have a decent coach already.
Irish Insanity
Well-known member
- Messages
- 9,885
- Reaction score
- 584
I van see it in today's game. But it's been that way most of the year.
NoJusticeNoPeace
Banned
- Messages
- 7,068
- Reaction score
- 410
What would make next year better? I believe there are people out there who would relish the challenge of Notre Dame.
NDRock
Well-known member
- Messages
- 7,489
- Reaction score
- 5,448
Agree, Kelly the OC is screwing Kelly the HC. The funny party is that he made the argument early in the year about our starters having to play more plays because of our schedule (no cupcakes) yet he does himself no favors with his fast-pace, no huddle, chuck & duck offense. Slow the game down some, protect your D, play power football as we're never gonna recruit enough speed to be elite with this offense.
Hammer Of The Gods
Well-known member
- Messages
- 1,355
- Reaction score
- 189
Kelly stays, but needs to really self evaluate. Longo has to go, we're weak. Sorry BVG, there is a reason he's been tossed around college and pro's. I want muchamp and I want muschamp to bring in his defensive assistants
IrishinSyria
In truth lies victory
- Messages
- 6,042
- Reaction score
- 1,920
There's no way Muschamp is coming to ND as an assistant. Take that one off the table.
K
koonja
Guest
Is there a coach on the planet that dismisses personal responsibility more than Kelly?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kelly says he feels for his players but "they gotta toughen up too."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/status/538849856677085185">November 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kelly calls this a "red letter day" for the program and said all jobs up for grabs heading toward the bowl game.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/status/538849303175757824">November 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kelly says he feels for his players but "they gotta toughen up too."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/status/538849856677085185">November 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kelly calls this a "red letter day" for the program and said all jobs up for grabs heading toward the bowl game.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/status/538849303175757824">November 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Irish Insanity
Well-known member
- Messages
- 9,885
- Reaction score
- 584
Koon approves this message
Irish Insanity
Well-known member
- Messages
- 9,885
- Reaction score
- 584
Does all jobs up for grabs include his?
College players aren't going to go all in for a coach that doesn't do the same. And he doesn't. Obviously. There isn't a pay check waiting in the mailbox like the NFL.
NoJusticeNoPeace
Banned
- Messages
- 7,068
- Reaction score
- 410
I'm sick of how he throws his players under the bus.
ulukinatme
Carr for QB 2025!
- Messages
- 31,516
- Reaction score
- 17,382
Your beliefs are wrong. I'm sure there are plenty of coaches that would love to come to ND, but they're going to be coaches that aren't ready for the position. We're not going to be snatching any coaches away from a big program, and there's a pretty short list of viable mid level coaches that would be better than Kelly this year. There's also the fact that we're going to have to contend with some other big programs that will be starting coaching searches, Florida and Michigan to name a few. I would argue that Florida and Michigan are both more attractive to prospective good coaches because they have fewer restrictions on athletes and they're willing to pay their HC more than we do.
ShawneeIrish
Well-known member
- Messages
- 1,325
- Reaction score
- 137
Agreed every loss except FSU it seems BK casts blame on a player. Even in some defeats, like Northwestern, that are clearly on him, he fails to take responsibility.
Hammer Of The Gods
Well-known member
- Messages
- 1,355
- Reaction score
- 189
Agreed
ulukinatme
Carr for QB 2025!
- Messages
- 31,516
- Reaction score
- 17,382
I don't think it will happen, but I wouldn't say that it couldn't happen. Kiffin gets booted from USC and goes to 'Bama as OC, it's not unthinkable that Muschamp couldn't wind up at a good program as their DC. Texas' defense wasn't shabby when he was there.
IrishSteelhead
All Flair, No Substance
- Messages
- 11,114
- Reaction score
- 4,686
Wish Muschamp as a D-Coordinator was an option.