Next year's coach!

[Irish2155]

Kirby Smart is making 1.35 million this year do you think ND would really pay an assistant that much money? If so, great.

Yeah, I do...if BK justifies to who signs the check.

I don't think it would take that much money though.

 

[koonja]

Kid gets it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Malik Zaire: "The only thing on my mind was how to spark the team. We had to make plays and that’s something that was my mindset going in."</p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/status/538866339872382978">November 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Zaire on the recent kicking woes: "I took all accountability for that. That’s all on me. I don’t put the blame on nobody else."</p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/status/538866830144573440">November 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Irish2155]

BK got screwed with suspensions and injuries, but he didn't exactly do himself any favors with his coaching. He straight up blew the Northwestern game. He had unprepared teams for ASU and USC. How the hell do you start a game off with an illegal formation and then a false start? That's just bad coaching, nothing else.

I am no longer sold on BK right now. 1-5 to end the year with just a close win over Navy? He did nothing to tweak his game plans to put his players in a better position to win....we have 0 depth on D and he refuses to run the ball and keep them off the field?

"October is for pretenders, November is for contenders." Well, BK and ND looked like pretenders this whole month. If he can't get us to double digit wins next season with that schedule, then it's time to move on IMO.

Run the fVcking ball.

 

[Irish2155]

Kid gets it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Malik Zaire: "The only thing on my mind was how to spark the team. We had to make plays and that’s something that was my mindset going in."</p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/status/538866339872382978">November 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Zaire on the recent kicking woes: "I took all accountability for that. That’s all on me. I don’t put the blame on nobody else."</p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/status/538866830144573440">November 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I just hope with a new QB comes a more conservative offense. I'm sick and tired of watching EG throw the ball with all these studs in the backfield. MZ gives us that read option look.

The defense...another story, lost...

 

[chicago51]

Gus Malzahn

We need him!




http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/62777-we-need-new-coach-we-need-gus-malzahn.html

 

[IrishLion]

Honestly this is a sad statement about the state of ND. For a program that once boasted "the best coaching job in America" it is amazing how far we have fallen. Brian Kelly, for better or worse, represents the ceiling of what we can expect in a head coach.

Brian Kelly is a good coach, possibly even a very good one, but he is not an elite coach. His in game coaching decisions are horrible and Brian Kelly the OC should be fired almost immediately.

I don't think it speaks to the sad state of ND. I think it speaks to the state of college athletics. You're not getting an elite coach to leave a nice job in favor of ND considering the challenges and restrictions that virtually no other schools deal with.

And there aren't any up-and-comers that would justify a move away from Kelly.

It's a bad debate, but not because of ND and the state it's in. It's because Saban, Urban, etc. etc. would be dumb to take on the challenge.

 

[Spitfire]

I don't think it speaks to the sad state of ND. I think it speaks to the state of college athletics. You're not getting an elite coach to leave a nice job in favor of ND considering the challenges and restrictions that virtually no other schools deal with.

And there aren't any up-and-comers that would justify a move away from Kelly.

It's a bad debate, but not because of ND and the state it's in. It's because Saban, Urban, etc. etc. would be dumb to take on the challenge.

Why don't you lay it all out there for everybody? Outside of academics, no JC transfers, and no over signing recruits......what are we talking about here?

 

[NDRock]

I just hope with a new QB comes a more conservative offense. I'm sick and tired of watching EG throw the ball with all these studs in the backfield. MZ gives us that read option look.

The defense...another story, lost...

Doubt it. I remember Dayne Crist's first start on the road against MSU. Hostile crowd, tough defense, we still chucked it 50 times. It's who Kelly is, drives me fucking nuts.

 

[chicago51]

The defense...another story, lost...

Not that ND would seriously make a change at this point but Gay Patterson's 4-2-5 defensive scheme would work very well at ND. Plus even if he couldn't bring his current OC he'd still get someone spread offense credentials to be his OC so the ND offensive personnel should work, and TCU has historically had a run first mentality.

Not that the defense has been CW awful under Kelly but I would prefer a defense wins championships mentality out of ND's next coach and really make that side an elite unit year in and year out.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Is Gary Patterson over signing at TCU? He's built a powerhouse there with mostly consistent success. Someone can do that at ND.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Paul Johnson...no one?


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[chicago51]

Is Gary Patterson over signing at TCU? He's built a powerhouse there with mostly consistent success. Someone can do that at ND.

Not sure if he oversigns. They really aren't at elite recruiters and don't need to be. I don't recall TCU have many if any recruiting classes ranked in the top 25.

The TCU model has been more taking raw unpolished athletes and coach them into football players. Example: Jerry Hughes, 2 star RB, bulked him up made him an elite DE, went on to lead the nation in sacks, got drafted to the pros.

Patterson and his staff seem to be elite player developers and don't necessarily need 4 and 5 star guys. One thing Patterson will emphasize is recruiting speed even it is raw.

Patterson though seems very very comfortable in TCU, and in the state of Texas. He made that program and pretty much as lifetime job and won't be fired even if he has a string of down years.

 

[Joee]

To get your ass kicked around the parade deck by the hated Trojans is as bad as it gets. I'll put this one up with how I felt after 1974 and 2005 but good programs come back and hopefully Kelly will right the ship. Unless he voluntarily departs I think he'll be here next year but the ice will definitely be thinner.

 

[IrishLion]

Why don't you lay it all out there for everybody? Outside of academics, no JC transfers, and no over signing recruits......what are we talking about here?

That's it right there. I'm not hinting at anything else behind the scenes. You're not getting an already-elite coach to come to ND with those BIG additional challenges you named. And there isn't currently an up-and-comer that would be better than BK.

And Patterson has made his name at TCU the same way BK did at CMU and UC. Take who you've got and get them to perform. For whatever reason, that hasn't translated to ND at an extent that we would prefer to see.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Run the fVcking ball.

I hear what you are saying. But you can't run the ball down 28 points. Also, USC was crowding the line in the first, ND had no chance to run the ball.


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[CarrollVermin]

I really don't understand what you guys are expecting. Look around. Look at ND. Look at how any coach who comes here is coaching with one arm tied behind his back. NO ONE wants this job. If you don't believe me, look at how Meyer passed on this job - as well as every other big name in the country the last time it was open.

You are kidding yourself if:

a) You think ND will be nationally relevant again beyond the fluke, ball always bounces your way again on your way to getting destroyed in the NCG. Not being in a conference presents way too many schedule difficulties. ND has to prepare for the spread, the triple option, tempo, and bust your mouth football on a weekly basis. That comes as a result of not playing in a conference. Join the ACC full time and that partly goes away (save for GaTech).

b) You think that any sitting head coach is wanting to come to ND.

c) You think that we can realistically win 9/10 games a year, every year. Those games are done. The elite talent that can qualify to be academically successful at ND is spread way to thin, and ND is not going to change its academic approach. We don't have elite talent now, and we never will.

Kelly is as good as it gets. Period. You had better hope that he decides to stay a while.

 

[Irish2155]

I hear what you are saying. But you can't run the ball down 28 points. Also, USC was crowding the line in the first, ND had no chance to run the ball.


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I get it as well...hard to run when chasing. But we had the ball first, ran it once and that was it....we needed to put an elbow in their face and control the game. Yeah Right...that team needed to be at In and Out burger...don't get that around SB.

BK and his pathetic attempt to run the ball is bothersome....Not saying we'd won...our defense was bad too.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I really don't understand what you guys are expecting. Look around. Look at ND. Look at how any coach who comes here is coaching with one arm tied behind his back. NO ONE wants this job. If you don't believe me, look at how Meyer passed on this job - as well as every other big name in the country the last time it was open.

You are kidding yourself if:

a) You think ND will be nationally relevant again beyond the fluke, ball always bounces your way again on your way to getting destroyed in the NCG. Not being in a conference presents way too many schedule difficulties. ND has to prepare for the spread, the triple option, tempo, and bust your mouth football on a weekly basis. That comes as a result of not playing in a conference. Join the ACC full time and that partly goes away (save for GaTech).

b) You think that any sitting head coach is wanting to come to ND.

c) You think that we can realistically win 9/10 games a year, every year. Those games are done. The elite talent that can qualify to be academically successful at ND is spread way to thin, and ND is not going to change its academic approach. We don't have elite talent now, and we never will.

Kelly is as good as it gets. Period. You had better hope that he decides to stay a while.

Kudos. You completely nailed it


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[Spitfire]

I hear what you are saying. But you can't run the ball down 28 points. Also, USC was crowding the line in the first, ND had no chance to run the ball.


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Completely untrue. I don't know what the exact percentage was, but I saw a lot of 6 in the box from USC most of the game.

 

[Irish2155]

Next year's coach = Joe and Angie....you don't get, then ask...

I'd love Brady Hoke too...

 

[PLACforever]

It upsets me how awesome my avatar was, and now I can't stand it.

 

[BMT]

Your avatar is fine its just that we lost 2 starting cb's, one LB, 2 replacement LBs, 2 starting safeties, and 2 starting DLinemen. Don't care who is coaching ,even Belechick, this is tough to overcome.

 

[Spitfire]

I really don't understand what you guys are expecting. Look around. Look at ND. Look at how any coach who comes here is coaching with one arm tied behind his back. NO ONE wants this job. If you don't believe me, look at how Meyer passed on this job - as well as every other big name in the country the last time it was open.

You are kidding yourself if:

a) You think ND will be nationally relevant again beyond the fluke, ball always bounces your way again on your way to getting destroyed in the NCG. Not being in a conference presents way too many schedule difficulties. ND has to prepare for the spread, the triple option, tempo, and bust your mouth football on a weekly basis. That comes as a result of not playing in a conference. Join the ACC full time and that partly goes away (save for GaTech).

b) You think that any sitting head coach is wanting to come to ND.

c) You think that we can realistically win 9/10 games a year, every year. Those games are done. The elite talent that can qualify to be academically successful at ND is spread way to thin, and ND is not going to change its academic approach. We don't have elite talent now, and we never will.

Kelly is as good as it gets. Period. You had better hope that he decides to stay a while.

a) With the extremely diverse offense's in college football, I think you will see all of those no matter what conference you may play in. They all present different problems from week to week. The issue is we have yet to form a defensive identity because of mass injury.

b) Money talks. Again Brian Kelly is making top 5 money and there are a lot of coaches who would love to be making that kind of cash. I also think there are enough older guys who would relish the opportunity to bring ND back to prominence.

c) Regardless of academics, Notre Dame fields more talent on the football field on Saturday's then most opponents they run up against. Stricter academics equaling less talent is a weak argument in my opinion. We have talent, the issue is maximizing that talent and executing. We have not done that under Kelly.

If Kelly is as "good as it get's" then we are f***ed because the man is not getting the job done.

 

[Grahambo]

That's it right there. I'm not hinting at anything else behind the scenes. You're not getting an already-elite coach to come to ND with those BIG additional challenges you named. And there isn't currently an up-and-comer that would be better than BK.

And Patterson has made his name at TCU the same way BK did at CMU and UC. Take who you've got and get them to perform. For whatever reason, that hasn't translated to ND at an extent that we would prefer to see.

Best thing that can be done is replace BVG with Muschamp.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I really don't understand what you guys are expecting. Look around. Look at ND. Look at how any coach who comes here is coaching with one arm tied behind his back. NO ONE wants this job. If you don't believe me, look at how Meyer passed on this job - as well as every other big name in the country the last time it was open.

You are kidding yourself if:

a) You think ND will be nationally relevant again beyond the fluke, ball always bounces your way again on your way to getting destroyed in the NCG. Not being in a conference presents way too many schedule difficulties. ND has to prepare for the spread, the triple option, tempo, and bust your mouth football on a weekly basis. That comes as a result of not playing in a conference. Join the ACC full time and that partly goes away (save for GaTech).

b) You think that any sitting head coach is wanting to come to ND.

c) You think that we can realistically win 9/10 games a year, every year. Those games are done. The elite talent that can qualify to be academically successful at ND is spread way to thin, and ND is not going to change its academic approach. We don't have elite talent now, and we never will.

Kelly is as good as it gets. Period. You had better hope that he decides to stay a while.

So this is ignoring that over the last 5 to 10 years, ever since Willingham left, we have pretty much consistently had top 20 recruiting classes. We can get the talent that it takes to be a perenniel top 15 team. Our schedule's a crapshoot since we aren't in a conference. Some years it's tough, some years, like this year, it's not. We can get the talent. We have 5 stars on this roster. Jaylon, Redfield, we had Ishaq, we had Gunner Kiel, we had Aaron Lynch, we had Stephon Tuitt. We've got guys who were at the top of their position like Nyles Morgan, Greg Bryant, Elijah Shumate, Russell, Golson, Koyack, Hegarty, Daniels, Lombard. There is talent on this team. We've seen guys like Manti Te'o choose Notre Dame. We've had guys drafted in the first round of the NFL Draft. I'm not buying the talent bit. Furthermore, I'm seeing guys who were 3 stars carry teams to big bowl games and win awards. I've seen it happen at ND. There can be winners at Notre Dame.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

FSU is the only team this year that had more talent on the field than we did. USC maybe but that was due to injuries.

 

[chicago51]

Best thing that can be done is replace BVG with Muschamp.

Just a hunch based on gut instinct. Kirby Smart finally gets a head coaching job. Muschamp goes back to coach with Saban like he did at LSU.Saban picks up another head coaching reject.

 

[Spitfire]

FSU is the only team this year that had more talent on the field than we did. USC maybe but that was due to injuries.

I would agree with that.

 

[Irish2155]

Best thing that can be done is replace BVG with Muschamp.

I don't understand why that is so far fetched...

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I don't understand why that is so far fetched...

I think it's unlikely BVG is axed after one year, there will be other HC jobs open, there will be SEC DC jobs open like A&M and maybe Bama if Smart finally takes a job, and ND assistant salaries aren't competitive. I'm not saying it's impossible but it does seem a little like a pipe dream