ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

[T-Boone]

People like Kelly?
I mean, I supported him as the HC of Notre Dame, because he was the coach.

But people like him? As a person? Lol

What did he drown puppies or something. What am I missing? You are just still in bitch mode because he moved on

 

[notredomer23]

What did he drown puppies or something. What am I missing? You are just still in bitch mode because he moved on

I mean… not to open up old cans of worms but there’s a reason every other fan base literally said for years “Brian Kelly killed a kid”. Brian Kelly is not a good person that most of us overlooked because he won football games. I don’t have any ill will towards him and don’t really care what he does at LSU, but actively rooting for his success is weird for any ND fan.

Just compare the way Freeman treats ND to Kelly. It’s night and day. Did he ever once show up and support the university at any non-football function? He’s a self serving politician and a great football coach. Not someone I’m gonna support once they’ve left my team.

 

[arrowryan]

I mean… not to open up old cans of worms but there’s a reason every other fan base literally said for years “Brian Kelly killed a kid”. Brian Kelly is not a good person that most of us overlooked because he won football games. I don’t have any ill will towards him and don’t really care what he does at LSU, but actively rooting for his success is weird for any ND fan.

Just compare the way Freeman treats ND to Kelly. It’s night and day. Did he ever once show up and support the university at any non-football function? He’s a self serving politician and a great football coach. Not someone I’m gonna support once they’ve left my team.

Bingo

 

[NDdomer2]

I mean… not to open up old cans of worms but there’s a reason every other fan base literally said for years “Brian Kelly killed a kid”. Brian Kelly is not a good person that most of us overlooked because he won football games. I don’t have any ill will towards him and don’t really care what he does at LSU, but actively rooting for his success is weird for any ND fan.

Just compare the way Freeman treats ND to Kelly. It’s night and day. Did he ever once show up and support the university at any non-football function? He’s a self serving politician and a great football coach. Not someone I’m gonna support once they’ve left my team.

Honestly this is most coaches and most people period. (Self serving)

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I admittedly don't usually agree with many of your takes, but I am on board with this one. I root for both ND and LSU also, also Vanderbilt and Duke. I appreciate what Kelly, Lea, and Elko did for our program. I think all three left their jobs in a better position than when they got to South Bend. For that I am grateful. I have no hard feelings about Coach Kelly at all. Can't say I wouldn't have taken the LSU job in his shoes either.

Let’s hope Elko doesn’t do well vs ND this season. He has really rallied that program & this particular game is a huge trap game IMO.

 

[TheProspector]

What did he drown puppies or something. What am I missing? You are just still in bitch mode because he moved on

Kelly is a douche who has shown a lack of any accountability over his career. A few gems off the top of my head:

USC 2011 - Postgame telling reporters to wait until he got “his guys” in the program because you can see which players are Bk guys and which are Weis guys. This completely discounted the fact the Weis guys included Zach Martin, Harrison Smith, Manti Teo, Michael Floyd, Theo Riddick, Tyler Eifert, etc.

Temple 2015 - Kelly physically trying to intimidate David Grimes on the sideline and grabbing him by the collar over a minor sideline infraction.

NC State 2016 - Kelly criticizing future NFLer Sam Mustipher postgame for poor snapping in a hurricane even though Kelly was the idiot who tried passing 50 times and they were playing in a hurricane.

 

[stlnd01]

I like(d) Kelly. I think he tried to run our program the right way, did a lot of good things, didn't complain (publicly) about the limitations and was pretty successful. I think the way he left was shitty, (and would note he basically did same to Cincinnati when we hired him), but I understand why he left, and I suspect all involved are better off now. I don't know I'd say I'm *rooting* for him at LSU, but that's largely because if he can win a title there and we can't, it hurts Notre Dame. But I don't really wish him ill either. He's just someone to watch, with interest.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Kelly is a douche who has shown a lack of any accountability over his career. A few gems off the top of my head:

USC 2011 - Postgame telling reporters to wait until he got “his guys” in the program because you can see which players are Bk guys and which are Weis guys. This completely discounted the fact the Weis guys included Zach Martin, Harrison Smith, Manti Teo, Michael Floyd, Theo Riddick, Tyler Eifert, etc.

Temple 2015 - Kelly physically trying to intimidate David Grimes on the sideline and grabbing him by the collar over a minor sideline infraction.

NC State 2016 - Kelly criticizing future NFLer Sam Mustipher postgame for poor snapping in a hurricane even though Kelly was the idiot who tried passing 50 times and they were playing in a hurricane.

Douche and excuses let me know when Freeman gets us into CFP. Kelly is an excellent coach and had ND on a roll his last 5 years. No way we lose 4 games had he stayed. It’s been a learning curve w Marcus. Hopefully he steps up.

 

[NDpendent]

I’m embarrassed that I still supported him after that stunt with Grimes. That was disgusting. Respect to Grimes for not reacting like most of us would have.

I don’t wish Kelly ANY success at LSU. He’s fine. His bank account doesn’t need any well-wishes. He did what he was PAID to do (sort of) at Notre Dame. It’s called a job. That’s how he treated it. Most people get fired when they don’t do it well. He had plenty of grace bestowed upon him for his fuckery with BVG even as he was always looking around. He’s not ever getting a statue here, nor should he. A plaque on the wall for most wins without really winning is more appropriate. The case is rested. He’s not Notre Dame’s coach. He’s LSU’s coach. Go rah rah him over there.

I would support a plaque on the wall for Kelly and his most losses of any ND coach

Most Loosingest coach in Notre Dame history

 

[TheProspector]

Douche and excuses let me know when Freeman gets us into CFP. Kelly is an excellent coach and had ND on a roll his last 5 years. No way we lose 4 games had he stayed. It’s been a learning curve w Marcus. Hopefully he steps up.

Kelly got extremely lucky that he missed the 10 years with Carroll at SC and now Lincoln Riley. His tenure would have looked a lot different dealing with a SC that had its shit together.

 

[Irish#1]

Douche and excuses let me know when Freeman gets us into CFP. Kelly is an excellent coach and had ND on a roll his last 5 years. No way we lose 4 games had he stayed. It’s been a learning curve w Marcus. Hopefully he steps up.

I assume you’re an LSU fan now?

 

[INLaw]

irishdrunk= 🌽 + 🐕?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I assume you’re an LSU fan now?

He freely admits it. 🤮

 

[Irishdrunk]

I understand the worth of “respectability” in the football world. Winning is important. But ask Saban if he ever respected Brian Kelly in a seriously competitive way, and you’d get a funny glare for sure. In that circle, we were never truly respected.

Saban is respecting Kelly now.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I assume you’re an LSU fan now?

I am a fan of both programs.

 

[Giddyup]

Kelly is the winningiest coach in ND history. These losers must have loved the Weis/Davie/Willingham era

 

[TheProspector]

Kelly is the winningiest coach in ND history. These losers must have loved the Weis/Davie/Willingham era

Isn’t he like 8th in win percentage? He’s the Vinny Testaverde of ND head coaches.

 

[Giddyup]

If you listen to the corrupt soulless bitch that is the NCAA. 2012 happened and I loved almost every minute of it

 

[INLaw]

He was/is a mercenary and I cheered when he did good stuff for us but I got no more love for him then I do my mechanic who never can quite get my alignment right

 

[BobbyMac]

Kelly is the winningiest coach in ND history. These losers must have loved the Weis/Davie/Willingham era

And LeBron is the scoringest player in NBA history...

 

[Irishdrunk]

Isn’t he like 8th in win percentage? He’s the Vinny Testaverde of ND head coaches.

Bad take. He turned the program around and had to fight Swarbrick and the BOT to constantly reinvest money into the program like the top programs were doing. He had gone as far as he could with Notre Dame, and he left for a program that is clearly more committed to winning national titles as this off-season just proved.

The problem is Notre Dame fans unreasonably expect that a national title can be one just like Lou Holtz did 30+ years ago. And that is not gonna happen when you have a board of trustees, not committed to do everything in his power to win a national title because there’s at least eight or 10 programs that are well ahead of Notre Dame in this regard.

God bless Lou Holtz, but he would not win a national title at Notre Dame if he was there during this era.

This is just a fact that many Notre Dame fans and many of the analysts have a hard time coming to grips with.

 

[TheProspector]

Bad take. He turned the program around and had to fight Swarbrick and the BOT to constantly reinvest money into the program like the top programs were doing. He had gone as far as he could with Notre Dame, and he left for a program that is clearly more committed to winning national titles as this off-season just proved.

The problem is Notre Dame fans unreasonably expect that a national title can be one just like Lou Holtz did 30+ years ago. And that is not gonna happen when you have a board of trustees, not committed to do everything in his power to win a national title because there’s at least eight or 10 programs that are well ahead of Notre Dame in this regard.

God bless Lou Holtz, but he would not win a national title at Notre Dame if he was there during this era.

This is just a fact that many Notre Dame fans and many of the analysts have a hard time coming to grips with.

You should look up the definition of fact.

Look at Holtz’s record against top teams compared to BK. They’re not even in the same league as coaches.

 

[IrishLion]

NC State 2016 - Kelly criticizing future NFLer Sam Mustipher postgame for poor snapping in a hurricane even though Kelly was the idiot who tried passing 50 times and they were playing in a hurricane.

I think I may have shared this before, but I had it on good authority that going into the NC State hurricane game, the plan was to run the ball the entire game, with the occasional bootleg or PA if it made sense in the conditions. We're talking Adams with 25+ carries, Williams with 20+ carries, and Kizer with more than usual. It would be easy to call bullshit, but the guy I talked to had actual target numbers quoted to him from game plan stuff.

BK stepped in and scrapped the play sheet two hours before kickoff, insisting that passing the ball despite the elements would catch NC State unawares. He thought Kizer could physically handle throwing the ball through the elements the way they did against Clemson in 2015.

Douche and excuses let me know when Freeman gets us into CFP. Kelly is an excellent coach and had ND on a roll his last 5 years. No way we lose 4 games had he stayed. It’s been a learning curve w Marcus. Hopefully he steps up.

ND might have won the two gimmies that ND lost last year, but the trade-off is that they also probably get run out of the stadium early against OSU, and probably don't come in with a gameplan to punch Clemson directly in the mouth, turning that game into a dogfight/loss under BK.

 

[notredomer23]

Think BK even knew who the softball coach was?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

NC State 2016 - Kelly criticizing future NFLer Sam Mustipher postgame for poor snapping in a hurricane even though Kelly was the idiot who tried passing 50 times and they were playing in a hurricane.

I would say this was where he totally lost me as a fan. Never looked at him the same way again.

I still recall watching that game and fuming from start to finish. Then his comments after just made it worse.

 

[ACamp1900]

It’s funny reading this thread,… I was never a big BK fan (like right from purple face on) and said so years ago but never hated the guy either,… I used to keep my full-force honest BK thoughts to myself bc his fanboys would go apeshit on others so I figured why flame the fires but now some of those same posters are shitting over him worse than I ever would have lol

Life moves fast

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

It’s funny reading this thread,… I was never a big BK fan (like right from purple face on) and said so years ago but never hated the guy either,… I used to keep my full-force honest BK thoughts to myself bc his fanboys would go apeshit on others so I figured why flame the fires but now some of those same posters are shitting over him worse than I ever would have lol

Life moves fast

See I stayed consistent, I never liked him and pooped on him a ton (over the top sometimes).

 

[NDpendent]

Kelly is the winningiest coach in ND history. These losers must have loved the Weis/Davie/Willingham era

Solely because he coached in the most games. He also has the most losses by a lot. And he had some of the easiest schedules in ND history.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Solely because he coached in the most games. He also has the most losses by a lot. And he had some of the easiest schedules in ND history.

And some toughest constraints too. Freeman is finding out that its not so easy at ND. He had us competitive and in Top 10 if not Top 5 often at the end. He got the big bucks from LSU for good reason.

Hopefully this year Freeman takes a step forward. I still have my concerns that both his OC and DC are not ND type elite...but a lot of that is on the ND Admin that is so awful.

 

[TheProspector]

And some toughest constraints too. Freeman is finding out that its not so easy at ND. He had us competitive and in Top 10 if not Top 5 often at the end. He got the big bucks from LSU for good reason.

Hopefully this year Freeman takes a step forward. I still have my concerns that both his OC and DC are not ND type elite...but a lot of that is on the ND Admin that is so awful.

Weis was handcuffed much more than BK ever was. ResLife was a mess in the 00s. Remember Kyle McAlarney missing an entire basketball season due to one weed infraction?

Also, facilities were not near what they were under BK, no training table, had to drag the university to allow early enrollees, etc.