ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

ulukinatme

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Tirico is awesome, one of the best in the biz. If he continues to call games, we're pretty lucky. Flutie? It's like heaven and hell, he's our curse and I don't see him going away anytime soon. I would certainly take Mayock or Pat Haden again over Flutie, any day of the week. We seem to constantly get announcers that graduated from our rivals, but it is what it is.
 

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Tirico is awesome, one of the best in the biz. If he continues to call games, we're pretty lucky. Flutie? It's like heaven and hell, he's our curse and I don't see him going away anytime soon. I would certainly take Mayock or Pat Haden again over Flutie, any day of the week. We seem to constantly get announcers that graduated from our rivals, but it is what it is.

I really disliked Haden too for the record... lol
 

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I think Haden still gets raging boners just thinking about Mike Ainello...and his funance degree.

Haden was balanced.

He just really sucked as a football announcer.
 

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As annoying as Flutie is, IMO he is 100x better than that little lispy sprite Mayock.


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As annoying as Flutie is, IMO he is 100x better than that little lispy sprite Mayock.


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Flutie isn't the best, but the amount of complaining about him you guys do doesn't match how bad he is, IMO.

He's bad, but he's not destroy-my-ears, what-is-he-doing bad. I don't really notice it until you guys point it out after the fact. I think there's a lot of group think jumping on him.

I'm not saying he's Tirico, but you guys make it sound like he has anti-ND neck tattoos and would walk around chewing on rocks if he wasn't monitored.

I WANT MY CLOVER BACK... AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY UNDER HIS COLLAR HE DOES HAVE ANTI-ND NECK TATTOOS

Things were looking up and I knew you would break my heart Koon. Cheers and Go Irish!
 

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Mayock was the best color announcer we've had for years --- not even close. You could actually learn something listening to Mayock. Plus he became a real positive commenter about Notre Dame players at draft times and for awards. I'd pay a little extra money to have a Mayock/Tirico pairing for all our games.
 

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Mayock was the best color announcer we've had for years --- not even close. You could actually learn something listening to Mayock. Plus he became a real positive commenter about Notre Dame players at draft times and for awards. I'd pay a little extra money to have a Mayock/Tirico pairing for all our games.

I will push this a little further and say that I always found Mayock to be one of the top color commentators period, at any level. Yeah, he had is "quicker than fast" and "size/speed" comments that people gripe about, but IMO no one was better at breaking down plays, and he knew a LOT about players in college; as you state, great at the draft.

Honestly, if I had a choice of Hammond/Mayock or Tirico/Flutie, I would chose the former combination due to Mayock - as much as I really like Tirico. Tirico and Mayock would be an incredible pairing in the booth
 

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We'd be lucky...very lucky to get Mayock back. One of the best in the game. Too bad low IQ Notre Dame fans can't realize that.
Sadly, He's off to greener and more profitable pastures so we won't have to worry about it anymore.
 

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NBC is the reason he's no longer in the booth, not ND fans.
We'd be lucky...very lucky to get Mayock back. One of the best in the game. Too bad low IQ Notre Dame fans can't realize that.
Sadly, He's off to greener and more profitable pastures so we won't have to worry about it anymore.

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NBC is the reason he's no longer in the booth, not ND fans.

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no one blamed ND fans.....


I would say the publicity from ND lead him right to where he wanted to be.
 
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We'd be lucky...very lucky to get Mayock back. One of the best in the game. Too bad low IQ Notre Dame fans can't realize that.
Sadly, He's off to greener and more profitable pastures so we won't have to worry about it anymore.



Lol.

Maybe they arent low IQ, just dont care to listen to a pompous know it all (that has the voice of a 6 year old girl) for three hours straight.


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ian Book is a real human being, and that’s who you were referring to, stated or not. You’ve created a firestorm for a person who didn’t deserve it. You’ve created a copout so you don’t have to be responsible for your actions. Adulthood requires responsibility for your actions.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@timprister) <a href="https://twitter.com/timprister/status/1049506526174597121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Im not going to apologize for having a big platform.


*what a smug prick that kid is


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Flutie isn't the best, but the amount of complaining about him you guys do doesn't match how bad he is, IMO.

He's bad, but he's not destroy-my-ears, what-is-he-doing bad. I don't really notice it until you guys point it out after the fact. I think there's a lot of group think jumping on him.

I'm not saying he's Tirico, but you guys make it sound like he has anti-ND neck tattoos and would walk around chewing on rocks if he wasn't monitored.

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I WANT MY CLOVER BACK... AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY UNDER HIS COLLAR HE DOES HAVE ANTI-ND NECK TATTOOS

Things were looking up and I knew you would break my heart Koon. Cheers and Go Irish!

You always lose when you try <strike>drugs</strike> koon.
 

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Our old friend Laken Litman, formerly with the Indy Star, didn't take very long to write a story on ND that is being featured in SI. I was curious what you guys thought of this. I came across it at OFD, and Josh Vowles wrote it off as a hack job/slam piece, and I kind of agree. A lot of really old and lazy hot-takes on us being independent, giving us a disadvantage in the playoff era, blah blah blah, and she drops each and every tribulation of the BK era: St. Mary's student tragedy, Declan Sullivan (May they both RIP), and the academic scandal.

Don't forget that she was the one who got the brunt of BK's post-game frustration after the one point loss to UGA in 2017. She asked a really dumb question, but he could've handled it a bit better.

If you haven’t visited South Bend since Notre Dame last won a national championship, it may seem the same at first. In the fall, whether you’re driving southeast from Chicago or north from Indianapolis, trees are full of color, pastures are lush, and John Deere tractors are shuffling along the open fields. But enter town, and you’ll see how much has changed since 1988.

The tallest building on Main Street, for years a dilapidated high-rise, is now a swanky hotel. Farther down the road, the old Studebaker automobile manufacturing plant that has stood since the 1920s is being turned into a tech hub. It looms over Four Winds Field, home of the Class A Cubs, which got a makeover in 2012, and is millennial-approved, just like the keto coffee shop and barre studio just off campus. And the whole town is run by 36-year-old mayor Pete Buttigieg, whom locals credit with turning around the Rust Belt city.

Notre Dame Stadium has changed too. When Jack Swarbrick became Notre Dame’s athletic director in 2008, he discovered that the department was behind other elite programs and their sparkling facilities. He spearheaded Campus Crossroads, a $400 million project to renovate the 88-year-old stadium, which sits near a new 111,400-square-foot, $50 million indoor practice facility under construction. The football has changed, too. Brian Kelly is Notre Dame's fifth coach since Lou Holtz, who left after 1996, and the team has changed schemes as often as it has changed staffs. Kelly’s predecessor, Charlie Weis, ran a pro-style offense, for example, while Kelly has continually shape-shifted his offenses to fit his personnel.

One thing that hasn’t changed in South Bend though is this: the mystique. The campus, with its Gothic architecture and adherence to ritual—there are still 100 daily Masses on campus—feels untouched by time. At football games, ushers—a group started by Knute Rockne—still wear navy blazers, white dress shirts, gold ties and khaki pants and greet fans with an emphatic “Welcome to Notre Dame.” Players still slap the PLAY LIKE A CHAMPION sign when they leave the locker room and head to the field. Just north of the stadium, the Golden Dome glistens just as brightly as it did more than a century ago when it was christened. Says Roger Valdiserri, who was sports information director from 1966 to ’88 and a close friend of legendary coach Ara Parseghian, who died in 2017, “We still have the glamour.”

The Notre Dame Way—tradition, ritual, aura—remains strong. And this season, the Irish are off to a 7–0 start and in position for a run at a national title. But given that the storied program is mired in the longest championship drought in nearly a century; that it played for the national title just once in the BCS era; that it has yet to even make a College Football Playoff; and that its hopes for an undefeated season barely survived with a rocky 19–14 victory over Pitt on Oct. 13, it’s time to ask: Is the Notre Dame Way still working?

The truth, of course, is that beneath the golden dome, not all is untarnished. In August 2010, Kelly's first season in South Bend, Lizzy Seeberg, a freshman at neighboring Saint Mary's College, reported to campus police that she had been sexually assaulted by a football player. Seeberg, then a 19-year-old who battled depression and an anxiety disorder, killed herself days after filing the report. At the 2014 NFL combine, linebacker Prince Shembo, who was investigated for the assault but never charged, said Kelly had “told me I couldn't talk about it.”

In October 2010, 20-year-old Declan Sullivan, a student manager, died when he fell from a 40-foot aerial lift from which he was filming football practice. Winds had reached 53 miles an hour that afternoon. Notre Dame conducted an investigation and found that the university had made mistakes in holding practice outside that day.

In 2016, the NCAA ordered Notre Dame to vacate all 21 total wins from ’12—when the Irish last appeared in the national title game (losing to Alabama 42–14)—and ’13 after a student-trainer was found to have completed coursework for two players and provided impermissible academic benefits to six others. The NCAA denied Notre Dame’s appeal of those sanctions earlier this year.

Fan dissatisfaction has grown in recent seasons. Two years ago, following a 4–8 season, Notre Dame’s worst since 2007, a group of fans and alumni placed ads in the The Observer, the student newspaper, calling for coaching changes within the football program. Kelly accepted the blame, overhauled the staff with seven new coaches, and the result was a 10–3 season in ’17 that appeased the fans. This offseason, the Irish signed a top-10 recruiting class.

Notre Dame has refused to do one thing that would undeniably improve its chances to play for a national championship. By remaining an independent in football in the playoff era, the Irish have kept themselves at a disadvantage. Notre Dame has always relished its independence, which was born on Nov. 1, 1913, when Jesse Harper, the university's first athletic director, became the first to schedule nationally. Notre Dame had been shunned by the Western Conference (forerunner to the Big Ten) because it was too small (and too Catholic), so Harper sent the Irish around the country, most significantly to West Point to play mighty Army, where the Irish popularized the forward pass. Notre Dame shocked the Cadets and the nation with a 35–13 victory and went 7–0 on the year, with victories over Penn State and Texas too, and the school became popular and relevant.

The Irish have since become members of the Atlantic Coast Conference in all but two sports: They’re in the Big Ten in men’s hockey and independent in football. Swarbrick says “at least four” conferences wanted Irish football to join them and while there were “tons of discussions” over his first five years on the job, no one is currently calling. Rather than be tied up with conference games, the current schedule leaves room for matchups against teams from the SEC or the Big Ten, in NFL stadiums, and even in Dublin, and it allows Notre Dame to strike its own deals like the one it has with NBC, which is worth $15 million a year and runs through 2025. “When Jesse [Harper] handed the reins over to Knute Rockne, Knute always reported that Jesse said to him: ‘Take the team to the largest venues in the country because you want the world to know who Notre Dame is,’” says Swarbrick.

The world undoubtedly knows Notre Dame, but it also knows Notre Dame, which has made playoff pushes before (it was ranked as high as No. 3 in the playoff rankings just last season), is a team that perennially falls short. The Irish have finished in the top 10 just three times since 1993. Now, their independent status has become a clear disadvantage in pursuit of consensus national championship No. 12. Notre Dame now begins every fall knowing that one regular-season loss and a dip in strength of schedule might doom its title chances.

The school says it continues to maintain tough admissions standards and a rigorous academic schedule. Coaches in all sports must give up control of student discipline—drug testing, for example, isn’t administered through the athletic department as it is at many other schools. Student-athletes must live on campus for three years. “It makes it tougher to win this way especially in a day and age where you see so much more talent spread over so many more different places,” says Mike Golic Jr., a guard on the 2012 team. “I think it’s still possible, but it’s now very, very difficult.”
 
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Our old friend Laken Litman, formerly with the Indy Star, didn't take very long to write a story on ND that is being featured in SI. I was curious what you guys thought of this. I came across it at OFD, and Josh Vowles wrote it off as a hack job/slam piece, and I kind of agree. A lot of really old and lazy hot-takes on us being independent, giving us a disadvantage in the playoff era, blah blah blah, and she drops each and every tribulation of the BK era: St. Mary's student tragedy, Declan Sullivan (May they both RIP), and the academic scandal.

Don't forget that she was the one who got the brunt of BK's post-game frustration after the one point loss to UGA in 2017. She asked a really dumb question, but he could've handled it a bit better.

https://www.si.com/college-football...ign=social-share-article&utm_content=20181023

Don’t even give her the time of day or the clicks, she doesn’t deserve it. She has as much culpability in the BK rant in the Georgia presser as BK. She basically off handily asked him why he sucked as a coach in the post game presser of a tough close loss. That’s not something you do. That should have waited till Sunday or Tuesday. All this article is, is sour grapes.
 

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Our old friend Laken Litman, formerly with the Indy Star, didn't take very long to write a story on ND that is being featured in SI. I was curious what you guys thought of this. I came across it at OFD, and Josh Vowles wrote it off as a hack job/slam piece, and I kind of agree. A lot of really old and lazy hot-takes on us being independent, giving us a disadvantage in the playoff era, blah blah blah, and she drops each and every tribulation of the BK era: St. Mary's student tragedy, Declan Sullivan (May they both RIP), and the academic scandal.

Don't forget that she was the one who got the brunt of BK's post-game frustration after the one point loss to UGA in 2017. She asked a really dumb question, but he could've handled it a bit better.

https://www.si.com/college-football...ign=social-share-article&utm_content=20181023

Probably one of the dumbest pieces I've ever read, and I'm gonna quote text it here to not give them more clicks. Nothing remotely insightful in that piece, and a lot of truly myopic takes. She also wastes 4 paragraphs recapping shit that has no bearing on this team or the supposed premise of this piece. And every single "positive" statement is intentionally phrased to emphasize some perceived negative. Take for example:
...home victories over Michigan and Stanford, and at Virginia Tech—only Kelly’s fourth road win in 14 tries against a Top 25 opponent
"Only" Kelly's 4th road win in 14 tries... come on... no one at SI writing about how amazing Michigan is right now is qualifying their superlatives with "well, actually, it was their only road win over a ranked team in over a decade and that MSU team shouldn't even have been ranked".

Man, Sports Illustrated has gone to shit. I dunno how some of these people have jobs, and also this is why I subscribe to The Athletic.
 

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Would be sweet to win the NC then tell her to get off the tired and worn soap box ND haters have used for years.
 

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Now, their independent status has become a clear disadvantage in pursuit of consensus national championship No. 12. Notre Dame now begins every fall knowing that one regular-season loss and a dip in strength of schedule might doom its title chances.

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EVERY TEAM IN THE COUNTRY NOT NAMED BAMA now begins every fall knowing that one regular-season loss and a dip in strength of schedule might doom its title chances.

Fixed it for you Ms Litman.

She better be glad she's not her mama's age. If she'd have pulled taken that stance at an IU Basketball press conference back in the day, she'd have been in witness protection by sun up the following day... if she survived Bobby's wrath.
 

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"Commitment to readers, advertisers remains the same" = layoffs coming = less content.
 
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