ND Oversold on Kelly?

[Whiskeyjack]

Well played, although I don't think that logic applies to ND message boards from my experience, lol.

In reality, 1 out of every 10 people are 'tough'. On here, 9 out of 10 could take down king kong.

With online anonymity, there's just not much reason to strike an affected persona. What you're reading here is probably much less filtered than what you'd get in person.

Just because someone is more aggressive online than in person doesn't mean their online persona is "fake". Likely just the opposite.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I said it's hard to tell someone's real life personality over the internet and used myself as an example.

Exactly. None of you guys have been able to tell that I'm actually a woman.

 

[koonja]

With online anonymity, there's just not much reason to strike an affected persona. What you're reading here is probably much less filtered than what you'd get in person.

Just because someone is more aggressive online than in person doesn't mean their online persona is "fake". Likely just the opposite.

I disagree.

There's something about 'small man syndrome' where people hop online behind a hidden username and become impregnated with toughness. Not everyone, but way too many IMO.

I'd like a chance to debate half of the arguments and insults hurled my way with those people in person and actually have a real time discussion with them. That is a whole different arena.

 

[koonja]

Exactly. None of you guys have been able to tell that I'm actually a woman.

Ha!

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

I disagree.

There's something about 'small man syndrome' where people hop online behind a hidden username and become impregnated with toughness. Not everyone, but way too many IMO.

I'd like a chance to debate half of the arguments and insults hurled my way with those people in person and actually have a real time discussion with them. That is a whole different ball game.

that online persona is real though. it's actually a part of the person's life. they're typing those thoughts and feelings. just because it doesn't reflect how they would act and behave in person doesn't mean it's fake.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

There's something about 'small man syndrome' where people hop online behind a hidden username and become impregnated with toughness. Not everyone, but way too many IMO.

I'd like a chance to debate half of the arguments and insults hurled my way with those people in person and actually have a real time discussion with them.

You misunderstood my post. If someone gets online and acts much more aggressively toward others than he would in person, then that's probably his real personality. He may be more restrained face-to-face for a whole host of reasons (fear of a physical altercation, social convention, etc.), but that doesn't mean the online persona is fake. It means that's how he'd act IRL but for those reasons.

 

[koonja]

You misunderstood my post. If someone gets online and acts much more aggressively toward others than he would in person, then that's probably his real personality. He may be more restrained face-to-face for a whole host of reasons (fear of a physical altercation, social convention, etc.), but that doesn't mean the online persona is fake. It means that's how he'd act IRL but for those reasons.

Ok, I understand your point.

 

[gkIrish]

Exactly. None of you guys have been able to tell that I'm actually a woman.

And I'm actually Justin Tuck.

 

[Ironman8]

I am actually Jaqen H'gar

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I am actually Jaqen H'gar

Should be your IE avatar. You can be the Ironman of Braavos.

 

[Ironman8]

Should be your IE avatar. You can be the Ironman of Braavos.

A man likes where his fellow's head is at.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

A man likes where his fellow's head is at.

A man approves.

 

[dshans]

I've been trading all of my vbucks to Dshans who's promising me some bitcoins.

Nobody, I mean NOBODY touches my bitcoins!!!!

 

[dshans]

5. Be over 5'11
A. Sorry just can't be around short people

I fit the profile for all but the last ...

Don't bother stopping by my tailgate. No beer for you!

Quit smoking my grass ... wait ... um ... err ...GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

Heightist Pig!

 

[NDinFL]

Paging Peoria, can we totally derail this POS thread?

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[NDinFL]

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[Jebediah Springfield]

I fit the profile for all but the last ...

Don't bother stopping by my tailgate. No beer for you!

Quit smoking my grass ... wait ... um ... err ...GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

Heightist Pig!

As a wise man once said "Short people got no reason to live...they got little hands, little eyes and they walk around tellin great big lies"

 

[NDinFL]

I made no claims about Bryant transferring. Please, point to one.

I asked a question about S/C coaches and how they are reviewed. Look at the thread, the '?' is in the title.

Brian Kelly wants academics to loosen up. I also believe there needs to be some compromise. Sue us.

This is another case of a tenured poster trying to suffocate another poster for no reason. Just like your uncalled for neg-rep of Palinurus the other day.

When did I offend you? Yet you constantly take shots at my intelligence, which I would wager against yours any day.

We have a different opinion on things. GET OVER IT.

I don't think so. There's 'rumors' that don't look good if true.

- BK said yesterday we have a 4 man rotation at RB. The only logical way to interpret this is Folston, Amir, GAIII, and Cam based on the fact that Folston is getting carries.

- Greg allegedly walked off of the field after the game, rather than join the rest of the team for song.

- Another rumor that the someone from the ISD tailgate party was telling everyone that Bryant is transferring.

- Fans speculating about his body language during games while on the sideline, apparently looking distant and disinterested.

These could all be fan driven, simply because everyone expects a 4/5 star player to demand playing time, but if you look at the totality of the circumstances there's room to worry IMO.

But that's just your opinion, and it's not polite to point

 

[CarrollVermin]

I'll give credit where major credit is due.

Kelly and the staff had a great game plan and executed it well. Other than the Les Miles-esque clock management at the end, they earned all the credit tonight.

I'll gladly wait until the entire book is written before I decide if we are undersold or not.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I'll give credit where major credit is due.

Kelly and the staff had a great game plan and executed it well. Other than the Les Miles-esque clock management at the end, they earned all the credit tonight.

I'll gladly wait until the entire book is written before I decide if we are undersold or not.

Good post. Reps for showing up tonight.

 

[Patulski]

I'll give credit where major credit is due.

Kelly and the staff had a great game plan and executed it well. Other than the Les Miles-esque clock management at the end, they earned all the credit tonight.

I'll gladly wait until the entire book is written before I decide if we are undersold or not.

What differentiate Kelly coached teams from his predecessors is that Kelly's teams don't fold in the 4th quarter. That has nothing to do with game planning. Kelly and his staff have developed a tough minded, well conditioned football program. We do not have enough talent at every position to be elite yet. If we do, it's going to be a fun ride.

 

[ickythump1225]

What differentiate Kelly coached teams from his predecessors is that Kelly's teams don't fold in the 4th quarter. That has nothing to do with game planning. Kelly and his staff have developed a tough minded, well conditioned football program. We do not have enough talent at every position to be elite yet. If we do, it's going to be a fun ride.

This. BK has bred intangibles into his teams that CW or TW never did/could. His teams are mentally tough and we almost always win the second half and 4th quarter. A knock (from some) on BK is that we don't "win by enough" and people get frustrated with the close games and call it "luck." Honestly at what point does it stop being "luck" and start being a trademark of the football team?

Ever since I've been watching ND (the end of the Willingham era into the start of the CW era) Notre Dame has generally played close games. The difference is we are winning those games. How many Charlie Weis led teams folded in crunch time? We always seemed to find ways to lose, almost every week we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. That's been flipped now. Now it seems like no matter what we find ways to win, we can overcome almost anything now. Even in defeat we've improved. A CW led team would have absolutely folded against Oklahoma after going down 14-0 and been blown out by at least 5 touchdowns. We fought back and we were in the game all the way to nearly the end.

Brian Kelly is changing the DNA of the program and rebuilding brick by brick. The cupboards were almost barren when he took over and has made great progress. Yes there are setbacks, there always are but he doesn't make excuses. He overcomes them and he coaches his teams the same way. Our teams have character and heart now, those were two things sorely lack since Lou Holtz walked away. The man led us to an undefeated season and the MNC just last season. Let's cut him slack and be patient.

 

[DCirishfan]

This. BK has bred intangibles into his teams that CW or TW never did/could. His teams are mentally tough and we almost always win the second half and 4th quarter. A knock (from some) on BK is that we don't "win by enough" and people get frustrated with the close games and call it "luck." Honestly at what point does it stop being "luck" and start being a trademark of the football team?

Ever since I've been watching ND (the end of the Willingham era into the start of the CW era) Notre Dame has generally played close games. The difference is we are winning those games. How many Charlie Weis led teams folded in crunch time? We always seemed to find ways to lose, almost every week we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. That's been flipped now. Now it seems like no matter what we find ways to win, we can overcome almost anything now. Even in defeat we've improved. A CW led team would have absolutely folded against Oklahoma after going down 14-0 and been blown out by at least 5 touchdowns. We fought back and we were in the game all the way to nearly the end.

Brian Kelly is changing the DNA of the program and rebuilding brick by brick. The cupboards were almost barren when he took over and has made great progress. Yes there are setbacks, there always are but he doesn't make excuses. He overcomes them and he coaches his teams the same way. Our teams have character and heart now, those were two things sorely lack since Lou Holtz walked away. The man led us to an undefeated season and the MNC just last season. Let's cut him slack and be patient.

I agree in general with your post. I think that BK does have a weakness that is a bit of play calling arrogance. That is ok as long as you say, he continues to build including recruiting. Being a NC with our requirements is practially impossible save for some weird lucky scenario. I do wish we would revert to some of the admission concessions that coach Hotlz enjoyed the last time we won the championship. I sure do like winning.

 

[ACamp1900]

Until Kelly beats Tulsa I'll never be fully sold...

 

[Gauss]

This. BK has bred intangibles into his teams that CW or TW never did/could. His teams are mentally tough and we almost always win the second half and 4th quarter. A knock (from some) on BK is that we don't "win by enough" and people get frustrated with the close games and call it "luck." Honestly at what point does it stop being "luck" and start being a trademark of the football team?

I love Kelly, but at what point? Maybe 15 to 20 years of this. Not three.

The reason I like Kelly is because he's recruiting well, has survived the loss of Golson to keep the offense humming, and has had success developing players on the line. Develop lineman, and the skill position guys will work themselves out.

 

[ickythump1225]

I agree in general with your post. I think that BK does have a weakness that is a bit of play calling arrogance. That is ok as long as you say, he continues to build including recruiting. Being a NC with our requirements is practially impossible save for some weird lucky scenario. I do wish we would revert to some of the admission concessions that coach Hotlz enjoyed the last time we won the championship. I sure do like winning.

Well BK isn't calling plays this year. I know that a lot of people feel that BK still inputs a lot and informs Martin want to call or whatever but honestly BK doesn't strike me as an overt micromanager. I think that Kelly has delegated that authority to Martin and lets him pretty much run it the way he wants.

In general I agree with you though. I understand ND prides itself on it's academics and high standards and that's part of the reason I cheer for them. They try to do things the right way. However we could make a few concessions and still be miles ahead of the vast majority of other programs. However you don't want to admit a kid who is in over his head, it's not good for him or the program. If their academics drag them down once they get here that's a bad situation, look at Golson. (For the record I'm not claiming Golson got into ND by any special concession but he's an example of how struggling in academics at a place like ND with high standards can get you in trouble.)

 

[stlnd01]

Well BK isn't calling plays this year. I know that a lot of people feel that BK still inputs a lot and informs Martin want to call or whatever but honestly BK doesn't strike me as an overt micromanager. I think that Kelly has delegated that authority to Martin and lets him pretty much run it the way he wants.

Well, whatever. Whether he's calling plays or delegating them, that ultimately falls on the head coach. And I agree in-game playcalling is probably the Kelly regime's biggest weakness. Has been for four years now. It's kind of baffling.

But in all other aspects of building a program he's really doing a very good job. Like someone earlier said, his teams win close games, they get better as the game goes on, they tend to get better as the season goes on. They don't lose to crappy opponents. They rarely get blown out. He's recruiting top-level talent at most positions (except, oddly, ILB). He's developing players who get better as their career develops. He's got great lines on both sides of the ball. He's got loads of depth at the skill positions.

I realize these things sound like they should be givens, but they're not. They haven't been givens at Notre Dame for 20 years. And they're the difference between winning 7 games and winning 10 games. And when you're confident in winning ten games is when you sometimes win 12 games. We're getting there.

 

[Irish#1]

I said it's hard to tell someone's real life personality over the internet and used myself as an example. But Irishpat seems more easy going than the people who feel the need to puff up their chests and take shots at people on the internet for going against the status quo.

Gun to my head, in the real world Pat's probably cooler than those people.

I'm the coolest poster on this forum.

 

[Irish#1]

This. BK has bred intangibles into his teams that CW or TW never did/could. His teams are mentally tough and we almost always win the second half and 4th quarter. A knock (from some) on BK is that we don't "win by enough" and people get frustrated with the close games and call it "luck." Honestly at what point does it stop being "luck" and start being a trademark of the football team?

Ever since I've been watching ND (the end of the Willingham era into the start of the CW era) Notre Dame has generally played close games. The difference is we are winning those games. How many Charlie Weis led teams folded in crunch time? We always seemed to find ways to lose, almost every week we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. That's been flipped now. Now it seems like no matter what we find ways to win, we can overcome almost anything now. Even in defeat we've improved. A CW led team would have absolutely folded against Oklahoma after going down 14-0 and been blown out by at least 5 touchdowns. We fought back and we were in the game all the way to nearly the end.

Brian Kelly is changing the DNA of the program and rebuilding brick by brick. The cupboards were almost barren when he took over and has made great progress. Yes there are setbacks, there always are but he doesn't make excuses. He overcomes them and he coaches his teams the same way. Our teams have character and heart now, those were two things sorely lack since Lou Holtz walked away. The man led us to an undefeated season and the MNC just last season. Let's cut him slack and be patient.

Some good thoughts there. One of the reasons ND plays so many close games is due to the opponent circling the calendar. Regardless of our record, we are and will continue to be the biggest or one of the two biggest games on all of our opponents schedule year in and year out. Those teams typically play their best game of the year against us. Purdue is a good example. I think the other reason more recently, is due to the QB. TR isn't a great fit for the O. IMO if EG was playing this year, I think our offensive output would be higher this year.

 

[irishpat183]

Maybe it's that newborn keeping him up at night that has him so edgy? lol

That's 2 newborns...and yes.

Then what was his excuse prior to that?

The booze.