ND Coaching Search Megathread

[NDdomer2]

So did the DC search just get another week added on

 

[chicago51]

So did the DC search just get another week added on

Golden supposedly has already interviewed. Freeman just hasn't made up his mind.

Matt House was hired by BK and still coaching the Chiefs. No reason they can't announce it, once Freeman ultimately makes a decision.

It could happen tomorrow or 2 weeks from now.

 

[irishff1014]

Yeah, I think Rees has done an admirable job with development. Agreed on Pyne this year and then just take a look at sub 6-foot 3-star Ian Book. The issue isn't development. It's 100% recruiting. Same thing ran cost Denson and Lyte their jobs. How long of a rope does Tommy get? Or is it all moot because he'll be a HC somewhere before it comes time to pay the tab?

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If he did such a good job why did we get stuck with Coan?

 

[irishff1014]

Golden supposedly has already interviewed. Freeman just hasn't made up his mind.

Matt House was hired by BK and still coaching the Chiefs. No reason they can't announce it, once Freeman ultimately makes a decision.

It could happen tomorrow or 2 weeks from now.

At this point who knows what's going to happen.

 

[stlnd01]

If he did such a good job why did we get stuck with Coan?

Because Phil couldn’t beat Book and wouldn’t wait his turn?

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah, I think Rees has done an admirable job with development. Agreed on Pyne this year and then just take a look at sub 6-foot 3-star Ian Book. The issue isn't development. It's 100% recruiting. Same thing ran cost Denson and Lyte their jobs. How long of a rope does Tommy get? Or is it all moot because he'll be a HC somewhere before it comes time to pay the tab?

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I thought Lyght got let go because he did a few no-no's as far as recruiting goes. FWIW, Pride and Love swore by Lyght. They both turned out pretty good. Not going to argue on Denson, he did a lot of things right but he had some areas to improve too. He left the RB position in a bit of a mess in 2019, and you have to wonder why some players failed to develop or developed so late like Dexter. How much of that was on the staff, and how much was poor recruiting evaluations?

We've been steadily pulling in 4 stars in recruiting, some high, some low. We've got respectable talent I think, the big problem this year was a lack of anyone with playing time which is what brought Coan. I'm not sure what kind of QBs people are expecting to come to ND in 2022. I don't think we can snow anyone with Super Bowl Rings these days, that's how we got our last two 5 star QBs. 5 star QBs almost always have NFL aspirations, and that means they want to go to a school that will get them there. Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, OSU, Clemson, etc. There's only a few elite QBs in a class typically, and more often than not they're probably going to wind up at one of those places. It's a pretty hard sell getting one to come to ND these days when our products have been backup NFL material at best. Even if we can land a 5 star again there's no guarantee they'll pan out. I'd love for us to land another one, but the last one was almost 15 years and 2 coaches ago. I'm sure it'll happen again, but they're going to be few and far between.

 

[ThePiombino]

I thought Lyght got let go because he did a few no-no's as far as recruiting goes. FWIW, Pride and Love swore by Lyght. They both turned out pretty good. Not going to argue on Denson, he did a lot of things right but he had some areas to improve too. He left the RB position in a bit of a mess in 2019, and you have to wonder why some players failed to develop or developed so late like Dexter. How much of that was on the staff, and how much was poor recruiting evaluations?

We've been steadily pulling in 4 stars in recruiting, some high, some low. We've got respectable talent I think, the big problem this year was a lack of anyone with playing time which is what brought Coan. I'm not sure what kind of QBs people are expecting to come to ND in 2022. I don't think we can snow anyone with Super Bowl Rings these days, that's how we got our last two 5 star QBs. 5 star QBs almost always have NFL aspirations, and that means they want to go to a school that will get them there. Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, OSU, Clemson, etc. There's only a few elite QBs in a class typically, and more often than not they're probably going to wind up at one of those places. It's a pretty hard sell getting one to come to ND these days when our products have been backup NFL material at best. Even if we can land a 5 star again there's no guarantee they'll pan out. I'd love for us to land another one, but the last one was almost 15 years and 2 coaches ago. I'm sure it'll happen again, but they're going to be few and far between.

AFAIK, Lyght and Denson were both good coaches who sucked at recruiting (for whatever reason). Lyght officially left for personal reasons and I believe Denson took some lower level HC gig. But in both cases, I believe they were urged to do so so all parties could save face as they were not going to be welcomed back regardless.

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[stlnd01]

I don't think we can snow anyone with Super Bowl Rings these days, that's how we got our last two 5 star QBs. 5 star QBs almost always have NFL aspirations, and that means they want to go to a school that will get them there. Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, OSU, Clemson, etc. There's only a few elite QBs in a class typically, and more often than not they're probably going to wind up at one of those places. It's a pretty hard sell getting one to come to ND these days when our products have been backup NFL material at best.

NFL QBing is such a crapshoot. Georgia hasn't put a successful quarterback in the league since Stafford, when today's recruits were in Kindergarten. Ohio State has Fields and... Haskins? Until a few years ago Bama pumped out clipboard holders and that's it.

Yet they all reel in the big-time recruits.

I realize the NFL is the brass ring and these kids all think they'll be the next Mahomes. But of course Mahomes was a three-star recruit who went to a mid-major program. So, I don't know, maybe sell the chance to be the difference between making the CFP and winning games once we're there, because that's what an elite QB could mean for Notre Dame. Everything after that is guesswork.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If he did such a good job why did we get stuck with Coan?

According to PFF Coan has been our highest rated QB in eight years. He did very well.
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[Free Manera]

I feel like this whole argument comes down to expectations. If you expect ND to beat up on a weak schedule and lose 1-2 games per year against superior talent then recruiting and QBs are fine.

If you expect a legitimately competitive playoff team (which ND has not had since the early 90s) then you are going to be disappointed in guys like Coan being the starter. Even though he was fine.

 

[stpeteirish]

Obviously PFF’s ratings don’t measure escapability

 

[ThePiombino]

I feel like this whole argument comes down to expectations. If you expect ND to beat up on a weak schedule and lose 1-2 games per year against superior talent then recruiting and QBs are fine.

If you expect a legitimately competitive playoff team (which ND has not had since the early 90s) then you are going to be disappointed in guys like Coan being the starter. Even though he was fine.

Exactly this. I don't understand why people's fandoms are being called into question for stating the obvious like this. We have become a steady 10-win team. In order to take the next step we need to upgrade at QB. Plain and simple.

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[317Irish]

Exactly this. I don't understand why people's fandoms are being called into question for stating the obvious like this. We have become a steady 10-win team. In order to take the next step we need to upgrade at QB. Plain and simple.

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To add to this, I appreciated Ian Book for what he did for the team as I appreciate Jack Coan for helping have a great year. However, it would be nice to have a quarterback that can show up against the elite teams we play and keep us in contention. I’m not writing off TB yet, but the problem is not getting a Buchner (or higher) level guy just about every year.

 

[Irish4life]

Exactly this. I don't understand why people's fandoms are being called into question for stating the obvious like this. We have become a steady 10-win team. In order to take the next step we need to upgrade at QB. Plain and simple.

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No one disagrees with that. Tommy Rees needs to be a better recruiter. He's also a very, very good QB coach. And a good OC.

 

[irishog77]

Can we just merge all 3 of the "Jackson Arnold," "Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator," and " ND Coaching Search Megathread" into a single thread?

 

[Dale]

Can we just merge all 3 of the "Jackson Arnold," "Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator," and " ND Coaching Search Megathread" into a single thread?

The panic spread from Arnold to Vizinna so quick we didn’t even get a second usage out of this thread:

https://www.irishenvy.com/forums/pl...ting-profiles/3020521-2023-qb-cycle-big-board

 

[Free Manera]

Wait til we miss on Johnson after telling him he couldn’t commit all spring

 

[ColinKSU]

Wait til we miss on Johnson after telling him he couldn’t commit all spring

Buddy, I think everyone but Tommy can see this coming from a mile away.

 

[chicago51]

Can we just merge all 3 of the "Jackson Arnold," "Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator," and " ND Coaching Search Megathread" into a single thread?

What will we call it "Notre Dame QB, and coaching vacancies discussion thread "?

 

[irishog77]

What will we call it "Notre Dame QB and coach vacancies discussion thread "

That. Or "The Every Thing Notre Dame Football Right Now" thread.

 

[chicago51]

Btw I'm saying 15% chance Rees doesn't make it to the Horseshoe in September. We got to wait for these NFL head coaching positions to get filled. I'm thinking Rees could take an NFL HC and/or OC position.

You may think Rees is unproven nobody will hire him. You'd probably be right. But Rees is actually pretty well talked about in coaching circles.

I think Rees would prefer the pros where he doesn't have to recruit. He's also a big McVay and Shanahan fan.

Edit: QB coach or OC, not head coach in NFL.

 

[IrishBoognish]

Btw I'm saying 15% chance Rees doesn't make it to the Horseshoe in September. We got to wait for these NFL head coaching positions to get filled. I'm thinking Rees could take an NFL HC and/or OC position.

You may think Rees is unproven nobody will hire him. You'd probably be right. But Rees is actually pretty well talked about in coaching circles.

I think Rees would prefer the pros where he doesn't have to recruit. He's also a big McVay and Shanahan fan.

mmmmm...


what?


I love Tommy and think the blowback he's getting for not securing a 2023 QB commitment in January is silly.

But... 15% chance lose him to a HC and/or OC NFL job this off-season?


You, sir, have gone round the bend.

 

[ulukinatme]

Btw I'm saying 15% chance Rees doesn't make it to the Horseshoe in September. We got to wait for these NFL head coaching positions to get filled. I'm thinking Rees could take an NFL HC and/or OC position.

You may think Rees is unproven nobody will hire him. You'd probably be right. But Rees is actually pretty well talked about in coaching circles.

I think Rees would prefer the pros where he doesn't have to recruit. He's also a big McVay and Shanahan fan.

Hey, I support the Reesus, but I don't even think he's ready for that yet. I could see him jumping to the NFL as an OC or QB coach before taking a college HC job though. I don't think he goes anywhere for another year or two at least. He sat by the fire and drank a lot of bourbon before he decided to spurn LSU's offer and defend the Irish

 

[chicago51]

I meant QB or OC. Not HC

 

[Dale]

I’ve never though Rees’ recruiting weaknesses were not liking recruiting or effort. The way he does it might not be always great particularly on the QB side but I don’t think it’s out of a dislike of it being the reason. I also expect or even know his long term goal is CFB HC over NFL OC or HC which he is better served staying in college for that more than likely.

 

[arrowryan]

I’m not sure Rees’ resume is good enough yet for a NFL gig

 

[IrishRazor82]

Rees to the NFL for anything above QB coach at this point is a laughable topic.

 

[ulukinatme]

Rees to the NFL for anything above QB coach at this point is a laughable topic.

I don't think it would be completely out of the question as OC. Kellen Moore is just four years older than Rees and he's been the OC of the Cowboys for the last 4 seasons. His prior coaching experience was just one year as QB coach, so Rees actually has more experience coaching than he does. Moore had a bit of NFL experience as a player though.

 

[IrishRazor82]

I don't think it would be completely out of the question as OC. Kellen Moore is just four years older than Rees and he's been the OC of the Cowboys for the last 4 seasons. His prior coaching experience was just one year as QB coach, so Rees actually has more experience coaching than he does. Moore had a bit of NFL experience as a player though.

The problem is NFL people watched the entire bowl game, not just the 1st half.

 

[ulukinatme]

The problem is NFL people watched the entire bowl game, not just the 1st half.

We needed the Senior WRs to step up when OSU's coverage tightened. We knew we couldn't run the ball on them, which is why we went Air Raid 1st half. Austin and Lenzy completely disappeared until the final drive, Among the WRs Styles was the only one 2nd half that consistently still got open and pulled down his targets. Passing was the only way we were going to win that game period, although it would have been nice if Elston could have found a way to give up less than 600 yards of offense.