NDShark
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Did someone just hack into his account and tweet that?
ND Coaching Changes 2016
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Did someone just hack into his account and tweet that?
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Had to be Alize because BK is asleep at the wheel. Maybe the steering committee told him to do it.
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You just start Brian?
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A little less talk and a lot more action.
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It means that you never get to the point where the University President can even jokingly talk about the Head Football Coach dismissing him!
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Seems like a lot of his players are responding to that tweet, supporting him etc. Anyone with inside sources ever hear how he is respected amongst the players? Does he get good support in the locker room?
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I think a lot of us are pretty surprised with the coaching changes that took place this year. In many respects, exceeded expectations. I wonder if the shake up has rejuvenated BK. Something just feels a little different but I can't put my finger on it.
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a person is always gonna up their game when they are on their last warning.
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I didn't think you were.
If Clements was the successful OC of say Colorado St then I could see it but he's been the most successful QB/OC in the NFL over the past decade and his offensive philosophy is not the same. Coaches have to believe in the system; be on the same page to be successful. If I was BK I'd rather eat broken glass and habaneros than have a Loyal Son with NC & SB rings up in the box believing his system is better and that if I go 9-4, he's the next coach. It's just a bad fit. Egos, control, paranoia, $$$ make volatile recipes.
If you are bringing him in with the plan of replacing BK with him in '18. OK. Who cares if they get along. If that did happen then that would tell me the rumors of BK's departure after next season regardless of next year's results are 100% true.
If the rest of the staff performs well this year and Clements took them, I'd actually be ok with that. He has the resume for it. Unless ND spins off NDFootball and they have $13M to hire Saban or Meyer that is. Consider my breath unheld.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Coach Ballou is on his way to Notre Dame <a href="https://t.co/L9Gz7wlISD">https://t.co/L9Gz7wlISD</a></p>— Craig Nelson (@cwn53) <a href="https://twitter.com/cwn53/status/824704506265042945">January 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Rocket89
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For those in the admin (regular faculty, mostly) who don't care about football, or at best are indifferent, the money generated by the program is at least a worthwhile aspect.
1) I don't see anyone on the non-football side thinking this is a good idea
2) I don't see anyone in the athletic department having enough power to make it happen
Creating a split seems entirely against Notre Dame's deep-rooted relationship with the football program. In practical terms, why would the Board and Jenkins give up that power and money? For vague assurances the football program would be better?
Many people freak out when the player's spend too much time in the Gug, or don't eat regular meals in the dining halls, or get special treatment beyond what they more or less deserve.
Those aren't even things that change the essence of the school--creating a Football Inc. separate from the University would be wildly unpopular. I can't think of an issue that would have less support from from a greater selection of people, especially alumni.
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Bogtrotter07
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Something big is going on in South Bend.
I had a source clear things up. UND Athletics have a goal to be fully endowment funded entity that turns over all revenue for use of resources. Notice that several coaching positions have become endowed in the last couple of years? Think in terms of all of them. And all the assistants. And all of the support, and training staff. And all the football analysts, that have yet to be hired.
Yeah, that's right. You don't think that was leaked accidentally,
and think one more thing or person for new position. (Hint)
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My personal strong hunch, just waiting for final confirmation.
I had a source clear things up. UND Athletics have a goal to be fully endowment funded entity that turns over all revenue for use of resources. Notice that several coaching positions have become endowed in the last couple of years? Think in terms of all of them. And all the assistants. And all of the support, and training staff. And all the football analysts, that have yet to be hired.
Yeah, that's right. You don't think that was leaked accidentally,
and think one more thing or person for new position. (Hint)
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My personal strong hunch, just waiting for final confirmation.
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Can you give us an "explain like I'm five" explanation on the importance/relevance of the program being funded by endowments?
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What does that mean? Turns over to who?
As I understand, the athletic department as a whole (largely thanks to football and the NBC contract) is profitable now, paying for itself and generating a lot of money for general university use like financial aid. Wouldn't endowed coaching positions, etc., just make the program even more profitable, generating more revenue for the university as a whole?
Also: I believe USC has some endowed scholarships and/or coaching positions. That doesn't seem to mean they're independent from the broader university.
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Also, like Rocket, I've never gotten any sense from the administration, let alone rank-and-file faculty or alums - that they'd support the university essentially giving up control of the athletic department.
A big part of the appeal of Notre Dame football to a lot of us is that they actually try to be regular student-athletes. I lived with football players in my dorm, took classes with them, etc. The system you're describing, while not all that unusual at football factories, would seem to make us just another semi-pro team in northern Indiana.
A big part of the appeal of Notre Dame football to a lot of us is that they actually try to be regular student-athletes. I lived with football players in my dorm, took classes with them, etc. The system you're describing, while not all that unusual at football factories, would seem to make us just another semi-pro team in northern Indiana.
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Might be my favorite all-time play in ND football history. I believe that was the only catch that Weber had all year. Shows Ara definitely had the hangy down things.
Having the football team or even the athletics department endowed and separate from the school is not new. There are some other schools set up that way.
I agree that it seems somewhat against past philosophies, but being endowed and somewhat independent doesn't mean all of the rules (the student aspect) change as far as being a student/athlete.
What this would do, is allow the football administration side to make decisions without having a lengthy protracted discussion with the board and/or administration. For instance if this were already in place, Jack could have fired BK this year and not worry about selling the buyout to administration or getting overruled.
Concerning Clements, while he doesn't have the HC experience, he's been a coach for several pro teams long enough that he's probably got a pretty good idea on what it takes to be the HC. Doesn't hurt that he "gets" ND. If he can coach as good as he played, we'll be in pretty good shape. Ice water in the veins on that pass play against Bama.
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Rocket89
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Including, Notre Dame which already has some endowed coaching positions.
Having a portion of the program endowed and independence from the university are two vastly different issues. Adding more endowments honestly changes virtually nothing in the big picture.
NBC Accounts for Million for Notre Dame Financial Aid :: Notre Dame Football :: UND.COM :: The Official Site of Notre Dame Athletics
The university has been funneling millions of football revenue to a vast array of academic platforms, as the link above shows one example. There's no way Jenkins & Co. are letting the football program or AD's office run their own fiefdom. All of the school's words for decades, as well as their recent actions like Crossroads and the evolving student-athlete dynamic, show they couldn't be further away from this type of fundamental business and core value change.
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Excellent points all! Nice to hear from you Rocket, I always love to hear your perspective.
Sometimes it is hard in a thread like this because you will start with a point and a perspective, and even if you express it, it can get lost in the shuffle!
I hope I made it clear, about a hundred posts back that most of what I was expressing was my 'conjecture' based upon some snippets I was able to glean.
So I admit, with my 'already listening,' or 'personal bias.' however you want to label it. I saw an actual, physical split within the organization, much as you would assume within a business organization.
I grew up with Owens-Illinois, Corningware, and Owens Corning. I grew up with the Devilbiss Company, and Champion Spark Plug, Co. Not to mention Dana Corporation and its many subsidiary semi-independent divisions, Aeroquip, Vickers, and so forth.
Pardon me for my mistake; It was a big one.
The old saying, power is money? That is what we are talking. Notre Dame Athletics will become a 'self-funding' entity. I don't have the details, and it surely doesn't make sense in my head, I can't see it yet. But ND athletics will be a fully endowed entity, separate from the University's existing endowment. Everything will be paid for, the entire budget, with a self-sustaining fund of contributions from benefactors that doesn't in any way impact UND's current endowments, or fund raising efforts. Period.
Of course all revenue will be the University's, so by reducing the costs, and hopefully even further enhancing the revenue by producing a better product, the conversation that has really torn factions at ND apart, over emphasis of athletics versus academics, will logically be retired once and for all. With this ND will be able to be more competitive and less reactive, and far more leading edge in developing the kind of elite programs that will put the Irish on top in the world of College athletics again.
To that end I am 92.75% sure that the back office of the football program is going to have some major additions this off season. Pretty exiting ones if my assumptions are even partially correct. I am working on confirmation. But the usual sources I check my facts with, won't do any good. They either won't know, or would get fired if they said anything, because it could be too easily traced back.
Time will tell. What is it now? #tictock? That will have to due. The next time I can conceivably learn anything new will be a day or two before NSD. (not that they are connected.)
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Bogtrotter07
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As I just expressed, I was wrong with my assumption. I tried to start this whole conversation with the caveat that I was kind of spitballing, with what I'd heard, but that got lost. This whole tangent I got off on was different than what I'd heard about the changes with the coaching staff. That all was pretty much verified as I heard it.
This about the future of sports relates apparently to funding only, which I agree with you for the reasons you stated, (great post by the way!)
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ND will have all coaching positions endowed. Assistants and I would bet ancillary support personnel as well. ETC.
Again, I am sorry I misinterpreted what I had heard.
The whole program will be endowed. And it sort of does change things. The key argument that has worked for curtailing sports, particularly football, is its drain on resources. Yes there have been other arguments, but they haven't really been effective.
By drain on resources, I mean time, money, and facilities. With ample money there, drains of time and money can be managed, and as seen with the Crossroad's project, facilities can be added that enhance both athletics and academics. Finally on this, because of revenues raised, and the way the Crossroads project was financed, the University of Notre Dame has improved its financial position dramatically over the lifetime of the project.
That kind of financial management dovetailed with program development can really benefit the University overall, allowing for benefits to the athletic and academic programs of the university.
For an example, it doesn't take much imagination to see that if football wants to add say ten analyst positions, that if they have the resources to fund and manage effectively the entire upgrade, aquire the proper personnel, technology they will need to use, including the office space and facilities required. In that case, is there a reason to say no?
Because if you follow that, the football program does need to be cautious and efficient, in its proposals and implementation, but these additions/upgrades should be expected to improve the product which will produce more revenue. And it should improve greater because there is nothing more limiting to long term planned growth (success) than hot and cold funding.
Details of athletic's advancements become almost immaterial to the academic side, because since there is no cost attached to the additional revenue produced, because that effort will enhance funds available to pursue academic goals. Remember, the money acquired to fund the additions, would not otherwise be available to the school.
Finally, the athletic endowment producers would demand a better product to keep their endowments coming, so that would effectively check any notion of out of control spending.
The University takes all income above what they put back into the athletic department, all the time. This is the entire issue. And it can be the solution, as well. How much do you need to reinvest, versus divert to academic achievement? If you take too much, you risk diminishing returns from athletics. If you reinvest too much, you diminish the enhancement of academics. So what if there is no further issue because the costs are paid for otherwise?
I agree with your point about the business model, and core values. But the fact of the matter is, what is shifting is the amount of endowment money being used for athletics, (as you pointed out.) That shift is going to continue, and accelerate, and the funding source is separate from monies used for any other university programs.
So, I think the idea that money for athletics will be raised separately, and that athletics will no longer be a cost that takes away from the university's mission, (for the sake of this conversation as far as it come to athletics,) is the only way athletics will improve with the decades of words and actions you have pointed out.
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He simply said, identify 20-25 players. He said nothing about actually signing them. lol
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You will get less than 20 with no five star recruits and you will like it, sir.
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He will become well endowed if he hasn't already....lol
Sorry, all this talk about ND splitting up football from the university, being endowed, etc. just makes me silly. I just don't ever see it happening as alumni and admin will flip their shit.
Anyway, back to your question. I don't think anyone knows what's happening with him. There's been talk about him staying on as an analyst, but nothing has been said for sure. Maybe he's trying to find a spot as a DC somewhere, but I don't know of any spots available. If there's nothing available for him, and ND is willing to keep him, my guess is he would stay. Instead of being out a job.