ND Coaching Changes 2016

[NDPhilly]

Coaches of Chip Kelly's caliber don't become available often. He's objectively better than BK. I wish we would pursue him but I highly doubt we will.

 

[irishff1014]

San Francisco is expected to make sweeping changes, dismissing both HC Chip Kelly and GM Trent Baalke, league sources tell ESPN.

Chip Kelly analyst?

I hope the 49ers don't ever win another game. They should have never hired Kelly and to give the worthless piece of garbage an award. I hope they get a cubs jinx!!

 

[Cackalacky]

I am still holding out hope that BK takes an NFL job.

 

[Free Manera]

I am still holding out hope that BK takes an NFL job.

I would happily trade Kellys with San Fran.

 

[irishff1014]

I am still holding out hope that BK takes an NFL job.

Going to be a lot of openings La,Jacksonville,buffalo,Cincy probably,49ers, chargers possibly, I saw a report that Gary kubiack might retire due to migraines.

Cali teams suck.

 

[Kingbish01]

This Ohio St beat down is enough to force Urban to step down again...you know, for medical reasons.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Hiring Saban would be like selling our souls to the Devil. I'm all in.

We can all dream.


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I still don't get why people equate Saban to a bad person.

Coaches of Chip Kelly's caliber don't become available often. He's objectively better than BK. I wish we would pursue him but I highly doubt we will.

He's an asshole.

I am still holding out hope that BK takes an NFL job.

Nobody wants him.

This Ohio St beat down is enough to force Urban to step down again...you know, for medical reasons.

I approve this message.

 

[irishtrain]

So as Alabama moves on to yet another championship game.

Let's discuss the rumor out there that when Nick Saban wins his next championship at Alabama he is looking to head back up north to retire as the head coach of Notre Dame. Thus winning a national championship with Notre Dame and cementing himself as the best college football coach of all time...

Discuss...


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That's when I turn in my 'Go Irish' card and move on. Plus who would want to deal with a creep like Jimmy Sexton.

 

[ThePiombino]

I can't tell what's tongue-in-cheek and what's being presented seriously anymore, BUT...If anyone thinks Saban is leaving Bama, FOR ND NO LESS, I highly recommend you check for gas leaks in your home.

 

[BGIF]

I can't tell what's tongue-in-cheek and what's being presented seriously anymore, BUT...If anyone thinks Saban is leaving Bama, FOR ND NO LESS, I highly recommend you check for gas leaks in your home.

Gas leaks?

The meth lab next door is about to blow.

 

[Blaise]

I can't tell what's tongue-in-cheek and what's being presented seriously anymore, BUT...If anyone thinks Saban is leaving Bama, FOR ND NO LESS, I highly recommend you check for gas leaks in your home.

I keep checking to see if today is April 1 instead of Jan 1... Saban is the best college coach ever.. He doesn't need to come to ND and why the hell would he want this headache

 

[Valpodoc85]

I keep checking to see if today is April 1 instead of Jan 1... Saban is the best college coach ever.. He doesn't need to come to ND and why the hell would he want this headache

Commanded by Pope Francis

 

[Bogtrotter07]

rporporporporporporporporporporpo

Exactly!

 

[NDdomer2]

If chip long is going to be OC/TE coach what is Quinn going to do?

 

[BGIF]

If chip long is going to be OC/TE coach what is Quinn going to do?

Same thing he was doing.

 

[BobbyMac]

If chip long is going to be OC/TE coach what is Quinn going to do?

Word is, that's up to Saban and Pope Francis.

 

[Blaise]

Word is, that's up to Saban and Pope Francis.

 

[NDdomer2]

Same thing he was doing.

He was never formally announced right that was all speculation/external reported?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Must say I don't entirely understand this theory. If Kelly didn't hire his new coordinators, who did? Swarbrick? And if the plan - such as it is - is a new coach by this time next year, won't a new coach want to hire his own coordinators? At least one of them?
I understand if the idea is that Kelly was told the staff needed some big changes. And I get how three-year contracts give the coordinators stability that may well outlast Kelly's. And I think it makes sense for BK to bring in high-quality assistants and shift to more of a CEO type role.
But he's still the head coach, and this plan doesn't work if he's not fully on board. He's going to work with these people every day. Maybe I'm mis-understanding, but the framing that control of the football program has been taken from him seems like it may exaggerate what's going on here.

I read the tea leaves the same way you do. What new head coach comes without his own cadre of assistants? "You want me to win 10 games with a staff assembled by committee, seriously?"

Or, is there a HC in waiting already on the back burner pulling the strings? Bizarre scenario.

Are the Russians hacking the ND Athletic Department and the BOT?

I have already told you, I don't have all the blanks filled in. I don't feel entirely comfortable speculating. But there are bunches of things to think about :

• A three year guarantee for a coordinator, after year one or two, isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of getting the right coach in next, if you want to hunt for Natty's.
• Both of these Coordinators are young and up and comers. The upside on both is tremendous. And if you don't think they were not scrutinized under the scope, poked and prodded, and scientifically tested to the nth degree, before they were considered for the offer they accepted, you are rather naive, and missing the obvious.
• In hiring at ND since Charlie Weis, there have been two distinct methodologies; one has been incredible research, and a broad scope of candidates, whittling down to one final individual; the other has been, pick a friend or former associate that can pass muster with a thorough background investigation. Which do both coordinators hired best fit?
• Everyone assumes that : A) in all the scandals that have hit ND, or haven't hit ND lately, that Kelly had no complicity; B) Kelly hasn't been doing anything he could to get out at ND; C) That Kelly wants to go to a bigger venue for the rest of his career, where he was happiest, and says so, all of the time, at a smaller venue; D) That everyone involved in the future of the ND football program's farts smell like Lilac, and Petunia's. Not so. There is serious (nee ruthless) business acumen and interests that is so deep, and are so well connected that they could just say, make sure Kelly never coached again if he didn't play ball.
• There is no reason that anyone should assume that a coach in waiting is pulling the strings. But if there is a coach in waiting, think about it. Would he be a top talent near the end of his career? Or would he too be an up and comer? If the latter, why wouldn't the Irish restructure the staff, shake it up at this point, let the cream rise to the top (with the new picks) and let things work themselves out with coaching staffs as they may. Because any possible scenario with this chain of events if it is an RPO, would be better than the alternative. After all, a former DC at ND, wanted to kill, cook, and eat, several of his assistants, one a former ND All-American grad, who has been retained through this.

 

[Free Manera]

He was never formally announced right that was all speculation/external reported?

Maybe they are holding off on finalizing the OC deal until Chip Kelly is interviewed. Please.

 

[CoachB]

I used to enjoy reading this thread. Hopefully it gets back on track.

 

[BGIF]

I used to enjoy reading this thread. Hopefully it gets back on track.

I've been hoping the same thing about Notre Dame football since 1994.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I tried to rep you before and comment on some of your thoughts, but I think you've basically hit the nail on the head in this thread with a lot of your opinions/insight. Really good posts. I don't think we know where Long was on the list of people they looked at... top pick after interviews? The bottom and everyone else turned down ND?

To expand on my thoughts to others who aren't happy that I'm not over-the-moon here... Chip Long could be very good but there are a lot of people in this thread calling him a "home run" I don't see that. I think it's more reasonable to say that a guy whose entire resume as an OC entails some above average production for one year at an AAC school isn't in the class of our other coordinator hire who has years of proving he can do "more with less" and improve programs. People calling him a "Sanford clone"... well, sure, in the sense that he only has one year of OC experience and has the recruiting coordinator background. But Sanford had the pedigree from being on great staffs at programs winning tons of games, headed an arguably better offense at Boise State, was a QB coach... which was very important at the time... and was highly sought after by multiple top coaches. Long was brought by Norvell to Memphis... and Norvell got the Memphis job because of his great offenses at ASU... so how do we even know what Long should get credit for?

So in short, I like that he's allegedly a tenacious recruiter and coaches TEs. Everything else should be "wait and see," IMO, because he sure hasn't proved anything yet in one year of coordinating an offense that was borderline top 25 nationally by advanced stats and borderline top 10 for his lower level Group of Five.

I think the key to the conversation about offensive coordinators, and why they were hired is (strangely enough) blocking schemes. Can anyone share Chip Long's perspective on blocking?

Because we know he moves the quarterback around, and from what I have seen, that can be opponent, and situationally driven.

By the way, moving the quarterback under center, how often has a Kelly offense done that?

And your next question should be, "Does he use a power approach like Sanford wanted to, and did at BSU?

There's a whole bunch of answers in that information!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

One thing we can't take away from Kelly is that, more often than not, his assistant hires usually turn out to be very good hires. Does that mean Elko and Long are guaranteed to be the next great coordinators at ND? Of course not, but the odds are definitely in their favor.

After the USC game, everyone knew that changes needed to be made. We have certainly seen a lot of change take place. As some have mentioned, and I kind of agree, maybe too much change has occurred. But If Kelly wants a job beyond 2017, he needed to make changes. We can check off that box.

With all respect, we are coming off a 4 and 8 seasons with his good hires.

 

[Southside Sully]

I have already told you, I don't have all the blanks filled in. I don't feel entirely comfortable speculating. But there are bunches of things to think about :

• A three year guarantee for a coordinator, after year one or two, isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of getting the right coach in next, if you want to hunt for Natty's.
• Both of these Coordinators are young and up and comers. The upside on both is tremendous. And if you don't think they were not scrutinized under the scope, poked and prodded, and scientifically tested to the nth degree, before they were considered for the offer they accepted, you are rather naive, and missing the obvious.
• In hiring at ND since Charlie Weis, there have been two distinct methodologies; one has been incredible research, and a broad scope of candidates, whittling down to one final individual; the other has been, pick a friend or former associate that can pass muster with a thorough background investigation. Which do both coordinators hired best fit?
• Everyone assumes that : A) in all the scandals that have hit ND, or haven't hit ND lately, that Kelly had no complicity; B) Kelly hasn't been doing anything he could to get out at ND; C) That Kelly wants to go to a bigger venue for the rest of his career, where he was happiest, and says so, all of the time, at a smaller venue; D) That everyone involved in the future of the ND football program's farts smell like Lilac, and Petunia's. Not so. There is serious (nee ruthless) business acumen and interests that is so deep, and are so well connected that they could just say, make sure Kelly never coached again if he didn't play ball.
• There is no reason that anyone should assume that a coach in waiting is pulling the strings. But if there is a coach in waiting, think about it. Would he be a top talent near the end of his career? Or would he too be an up and comer? If the latter, why wouldn't the Irish restructure the staff, shake it up at this point, let the cream rise to the top (with the new picks) and let things work themselves out with coaching staffs as they may. Because any possible scenario with this chain of events if it is an RPO, would be better than the alternative. After all, a former DC at ND, wanted to kill, cook, and eat, several of his assistants, one a former ND All-American grad, who has been retained through this.

BVG had it out for lyght?

 

[Downinthebend]

I think the key to the conversation about offensive coordinators, and why they were hired is (strangely enough) blocking schemes. Can anyone share Chip Long's perspective on blocking?

Because we know he moves the quarterback around, and from what I have seen, that can be opponent, and situationally driven.

By the way, moving the quarterback under center, how often has a Kelly offense done that?

And your next question should be, "Does he use a power approach like Sanford wanted to, and did at BSU?

There's a whole bunch of answers in that information!

He really doesn't use UC that much. He has a really weird (uncommon) run play i've never seen before, its basically a backside guard trapping the frontside DE or running an arc block. Most runs are zone

 

[Bogtrotter07]

He really doesn't use UC that much. He has a really weird (uncommon) run play i've never seen before, its basically a backside guard trapping the frontside DE or running an arc block. Most runs are zone

But he doesn't exclusively run zone/gap blocking?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

BVG had it out for lyght?

Oh, Sully! How to answer your question?

A) The former ND coaching staff were experts at scapegoating subordinates, weren't they?

B) If at this point, anyone still thinks BVG got along with anyone, except Joe Schmidt, including Jaylon Smith, and the whole of the administration, peace be with you!

C) Anyone remember all defensive position groups meetings being suspended in favor of one "uber-group" meeting with the whole defense, with BVG as the leader?

D) Anyone remember the rampant rumors that Denson was killing it, and Lyght wasn't?

E) And anyone remember how the defense improved on the back-end this season, after the loss of the only returning starter with experience, and the Defensive Coordinator? Hmmm!

 

[Southside Sully]

Oh, Sully! How to answer your question?

A) The former ND coaching staff were experts at scapegoating subordinates, weren't they?

B) If at this point, anyone still thinks BVG got along with anyone, except Joe Schmidt, including Jaylon Smith, and the whole of the administration, peace be with you!

C) Anyone remember all defensive position groups meetings being suspended in favor of one "uber-group" meeting with the whole defense, with BVG as the leader?

D) Anyone remember the rampant rumors that Denson was killing it, and Lyght wasn't?

E) And anyone remember how the defense improved on the back-end this season, after the loss of the only returning starter with experience, and the Defensive Coordinator? Hmmm!

Bravo. Things seemed to change it seemed right when he was axed. Even though we lost players seemed to be more loose and free to play. See ya BVG really looking forward to Elko a coach who has energy and the game plan to succeed

 

[OCIrish]

Maybe they are holding off on finalizing the OC deal until Chip Kelly is interviewed. Please.

You mean, please God, no