Muhammad Cartoon Contest....

[kmoose]

Hundreds expected for Mohammed cartoon contest - CNN.com

Say a prayer that this doesn't turn out as bad as we all know it possibly could.

 

[IrishLion]

They're doing it outside of a Mosque, during a prayer service...

C'mon man.

 

[Irish#1]

Here we go again!

 

[GoIrish41]

Man, these people are total dicks.

 

[wizards8507]

Not smart. Free to do it. But not smart.

 

[notredomer23]

Freedom of speech shouldn't mean freedom to be an a-hole. The last event was at least done in a private setting. This one is just asking for trouble.

 

[IrishLax]

This is like a very small step removed from Westboro Baptist Church style antics.

 

[GoIrish41]

Freedom of speech shouldn't mean freedom to be an a-hole. The last event was at least done in a private setting. This one is just asking for trouble.

That is their aim. They are irresponsibly putting people at risk. I hope nobody takes the bait, but if they do, these assholes share in the responsibility for whatever happens IMO.

 

[kmoose]

They are undoubtedly doing it just to show that they can, but I question how offensive it actually is...

 

[ShawneeIrish]

This is like a very small step removed from Westboro Baptist Church style antics.

Pamela Geller is Fred Phelps level scum.

 

[PANDFAN]

"People are also encouraged to utilize (their) second amendment right at this event just (in case) our first amendment comes under the much anticipated attack," the event's Facebook page says.

 

[GoIrish41]

"People are also encouraged to utilize (their) second amendment right at this event just (in case) our first amendment comes under the much anticipated attack," the event's Facebook page says.

What could go wrong?

 

[wizards8507]

"People are also encouraged to utilize (their) second amendment right at this event just (in case) our first amendment comes under the much anticipated attack," the event's Facebook page says.

Ugh, not the way to make a point that I otherwise agree with. People in the Free State Project do open carry littler cleanup on the New Hampshire highways. That's the way to go about it.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Here's my entry into the contest. I don't see what people are so upset about. He really was the greatest.

 

[Irish Insanity]

"People are also encouraged to utilize (their) second amendment right at this event just (in case) our first amendment comes under the much anticipated attack," the event's Facebook page says.

My local news, I'm nowhere near this even, advertised this.

 

[kmoose]

Can anyone tell me why drawing Muhammad is offensive to Muslims?

 

[IrishLion]

Can anyone tell me why drawing Muhammad is offensive to Muslims?

Is it anything similar to the way Jewish people try to avoid saying "God"?

 

[kmoose]

Is it anything similar to the way Jewish people try to avoid saying "God"?

I don't know. That's why I'm asking. The Quran does not forbid it.

 

[pkt77242]

Can anyone tell me why drawing Muhammad is offensive to Muslims?

From what I understand is that Mohammed laid down a strict no image policy because he didn't want idolatry to happen. Basically if pictures of him come about, people would worship the image instead of Allah.

 

[wizards8507]

I don't know. That's why I'm asking. The Quran does not forbid it.

I think it's a variation of "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image." The same reason Amish people don't have their pictures taken.

 

[IrishLion]

The "idolatry" angle would make sense as to why they forbid images.

I researched it and found the common answer is that Jewish people don't say "God," unless it's in a prayer service, because they don't want there to even be a risk of taking his name in vain.

So basically protecting commandments, is the answer.

 

[kmoose]

The "idolatry" angle would make sense as to why they forbid images.

I'm not sure I buy that, though. If it was the will of Muhammad, who wrote the Quran, then why would he not have put it in the Quran?

 

[IrishLax]

From what I understand is that Mohammed laid down a strict no image policy because he didn't want idolatry to happen. Basically if pictures of him come about, people would worship the image instead of Allah.

This is close to the Sunni way of looking at it. First, there is nothing in the Quran expressly forbidding the drawing of Muhammad. All of the "don't draw Muhammad" stuff is derived from supplemental texts and only certain groups over time have taken the texts to mean that Muhammad should not be drawn - period.

Saying that Muhammad laid down a "strict no image policy" is a bit inaccurate, but the core of it being about mitigating idolatry is 100% spot on.

Weird thing is that in many places in the Muslim world there are depictions of Muhammad... even ones that are commercially available. It's not a very consistent belief, at all.

 

[pkt77242]

This is close to the Sunni way of looking at it. First, there is nothing in the Quran expressly forbidding the drawing of Muhammad. All of the "don't draw Muhammad" stuff is derived from supplemental texts and only certain groups over time have taken the texts to mean that Muhammad should not be drawn - period.

Saying that Muhammad laid down a "strict no image policy" is a bit inaccurate, but the core of it being about mitigating idolatry is 100% spot on.

Weird thing is that in many places in the Muslim world there are depictions of Muhammad... even ones that are commercially available. It's not a very consistent belief, at all.

You are right, I shouldn't have used the word strict.

 

[GoIrish41]

Does it really matter why Muslims are offended by the drawing of Muhammad? What is important is that they are offended. Why do things to purposely provoke them? We don't have to agree with their reasoning, but how many people would feel compelled to draw pictures of Muhammad if they weren't offended? Holding these "art contests" is just inviting tension and (if organizers get their way) violence. It is a callous disregard for the beliefs, customs and feelings of fellow human beings. It is just despicable behavior.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Does it really matter why Muslims are offended by the drawing of Muhammad? What is important is that they are offended. Why do things to purposely provoke them? We don't have to agree with their reasoning, but how many people would feel compelled to draw pictures of Muhammad if they weren't offended? Holding these "art contests" is just inviting tension and (if organizers get their way) violence. It is a callous disregard for the beliefs, customs and feelings of fellow human beings. It is just despicable behavior.

I think 'why' was asked because of inquiring minds.

 

[BobbyMac]

My brother in law is a proud Gulf War Vet who has ZERO good to say about Islamic cultures. He lives in the PHX metro area too. Even he says this is over the line.

I assume it's the mosque that turned out the shooters in Texas(?)

You have the right and freedom to do a lot of things in this country and I have the right to call you a jagbag when you do it.

 

[GoIrish41]

My brother in law is a proud Gulf War Vet who has ZERO good to say about Islamic cultures. He lives in the PHX metro area too. Even he says this is over the line.

I assume it's the mosque that turned out the shooters in Texas(?)

You have the right and freedom to do a lot of things in this country and I have the right to call you a jagbag when you do it.

This is my understanding.

 

[BobbyMac]

This is my understanding.

Well maybe they deserve a little protesting? I wonder if Atta attended there too?

It's my opinion that the Islamic world falls short of it's duty to self censor. This is the message boards of a Catholic school's sports team and it's all condemnation and self censorship.

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[kmoose]

Does it really matter why Muslims are offended by the drawing of Muhammad? What is important is that they are offended. Why do things to purposely provoke them? We don't have to agree with their reasoning, but how many people would feel compelled to draw pictures of Muhammad if they weren't offended? Holding these "art contests" is just inviting tension and (if organizers get their way) violence. It is a callous disregard for the beliefs, customs and feelings of fellow human beings. It is just despicable behavior.

The question was not really a matter of why, but of if? It's just being assumed that drawing a picture of Muhammad is seriously offensive to every Muslim in the world. When, in fact, it is only offensive to a certain sect of them. Hell, in Iran, you can buy postcards with pictures of Muhammad on them. I still think it is poor judgement to have this event, but there is a certain segment of society that is ALWAYS going to be offended by ANYTHING either political, or religious. So fuck 'em. If they want to protest back, fine. But they have NO excuse for turning violent about it. And those knuckleheads who are exercising their right to open carry better keep it in their holster, as well.