MIT Shooting

[irishpat183]

Now the family is claiming their innocence?!!

WTF? You hear this aunt!

 

[goldandblue]

If they were out solely to kill as many people as they could, more would be dead. That isn't really disputable, right?

No... They miscalculated the trajectory of the Shrapnel from their explosive device... That is the absolute only reason there were not 60 or 70 dead instead of 3. If you will notice alot of the injuries being reported were loss of limb primarily to the legs of the people close to the blast... They put the bag on the ground. Had they left the bag at chest level, the kill ratio would have been much higher. In other words, they were trying to kill as many possible. they just F'ed up.

Doctors at two Massachusetts hospitals said some of the victims underwent amputations and were suffering from burns, while others had sustained injuries from shrapnel to their lower extremities.

 

[irishpat183]

I understand that no family wants to believe this kind of thing...but your nephews were throwing grenades outta their get away cars at cops..

Delusional.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSLIM DOES NOT MAKE THEM A "RADICAL ISLAMIST."

 

[Irish Insanity]

I really don't care what they are unless/until they're caught.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSLIM DOES NOT MAKE THEM A "RADICAL ISLAMIST."

What about blowing people up?

 

[Irishnuke]

JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE MUSLIM DOES NOT MAKE THEM A "RADICAL ISLAMIST."

You're absolutely right. The fact that they were Muslims that planted bombs that killed 3 and wounded 200ish and shot a police officer does though.

 

[Brirish]

Blowing up innocent people at a soft target of no political, or military importance... Radical, check! Uh... Chechynyan Islamic background with multiple trips back and forth, possibly for training, check. Seems like the most plausible scenario at this point. Especially with some of the views of these guys coming out. Although your use of caps is really swaying my line of thinking.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

What about blowing people up?

Nope. If they were motivated by their religion then yes, I believe this more closely fits the definition of "radical islam."

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I'm just saying we don't know yet. That's all I am saying. Before I attach a definition to what they are, I'd like them to get caught, not harm anyone else, and find a clear motive.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Blowing up innocent people at a soft target of no political, or military importance... Radical, check! Uh... Chechynyan Islamic background with multiple trips back and forth, possibly for training, check. Seems like the most plausible scenario at this point. Especially with some of the views of these guys coming out. Although your use of caps is really swaying my line of thinking.

On this issue, I'm not going to change anyone's line of thinking. It's just not possible.

I'm just expressing my opinion is all.

 

[IrishLax]

I've tried to stay out of this and let the ridiculous assertions (both ways) go without comment...

But the idea that they didn't kill the guy they carjacked = they weren't out to kill as many as possible is a ridiculous conclusion to jump to.

Maybe they were out of bullets?
Maybe they were tired?
Maybe it was too much trouble?
Maybe they got distracted?
Maybe they liked the color of shirt he was wearing?

"Well the bombs only killed 3 so...."

Maybe they effed up engineering the bombs?
Maybe they thought it would do more?

Come on people.... brains. Use them. You don't know sh*t so stop acting like you do and understand their psyche... no one does at this point and maybe no one ever will.

 

[Brirish]

I hope he js not caught. I hope the police fry his ***. We all have seen how efficient the us criminal justice system is with handling terrorists.

 

[Irishnuke]

Hope they catch this guy alive so they can get some sort of answers regarding motivation and if they were working with or for someone else. Unfortunately I see this ending with either him putting a bullet through his own head or a cop doing so. I guess any kind of end to this would be good though.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Hope they catch this guy alive so they can get some sort of answers regarding motivation and if they were working with or for someone else. Unfortunately I see this ending with either him putting a bullet through his own head or a cop doing so. I guess any kind of end to this would be good though.

That's what I'm thinking too. It is just tough right now to envision a scenario where this guy is taken into custody alive.

Are there any leads whatsoever as to his whereabouts in the city? Do they have specific geographical areas with high priority?

 

[FLDomer]

I have a feeling this guy got hit last night in the shootout and he bled out somewhere and is dead...

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

Cambridge, Massachusetts - Cambridge Chronicle & Tab

boston area scanner that's still up and running if you're tired of following the news stations. much more interesting than hearing "experts" speculating on every aspect of the situation.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Hope they catch this guy alive so they can get some sort of answers regarding motivation and if they were working with or for someone else. Unfortunately I see this ending with either him putting a bullet through his own head or a cop doing so. I guess any kind of end to this would be good though.

I fear he's strapped with a bomb and a dead man's switch when they find him. If he dies so do many others.

 

[Rhode Irish]

No... They miscalculated the trajectory of the Shrapnel from their explosive device... That is the absolute only reason there were not 60 or 70 dead instead of 3. If you will notice alot of the injuries being reported were loss of limb primarily to the legs of the people close to the blast... They put the bag on the ground. Had they left the bag at chest level, the kill ratio would have been much higher. In other words, they were trying to kill as many possible. they just F'ed up.

You're missing my point. First of all, I am not claiming to know what these guys were thinking or why they did or didn't kill certain people. All I'm saying is if they wanted to kill more people they could have, as evidenced by the fact that they apparently had a ton of weaponry and hadn't used it to kill anyone over the last three days. I'm not saying that makes them good guys, I'm just saying it seems like they were making calculations about who/when/where/why they killed, which seems more like political terrorism than someone just hellbent on killing as many people as possible, like the Newtown shooter. I'm definitely not saying they only killed 3 people on purpose. I'm sure they wished they got more at the marathon. But the fact that they didn't spend the last 3 days killing the closest humans around indiscriminately leads me to believe they had some sort of plan to make some sort of statement.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Another viewpoint is that it started out calculated and political, and once everything hit the fan it was take out as many people as you can on the way out. I'm not smart enough to understand what people think, but this just reeks of the older brother becoming disenfranchised and radicalized somewhere along the line and "brainwashing" the younger brother for lack of better terminology. Maybe he just never really fit in, couldn't find a job or whatever and found himself being accepted by a certain religious faction. Obviously just throwing some things out there, but I'd be willing to guess its along these lines. The younger brother was 9 when he got here according to the uncle. Big brother was probably like a father figure to him. Like I said, I am not trying to understand, just offering some of my thoughts. Don't mistake this as me giving a damn to their logic or reasons, I hope they burn in hell for their acts.

 

[irishpat183]

You're missing my point. First of all, I am not claiming to know what these guys were thinking or why they did or didn't kill certain people. All I'm saying is if they wanted to kill more people they could have, as evidenced by the fact that they apparently had a ton of weaponry and hadn't used it to kill anyone over the last three days. I'm not saying that makes them good guys, I'm just saying it seems like they were making calculations about who/when/where/why they killed, which seems more like political terrorism than someone just hellbent on killing as many people as possible, like the Newtown shooter. I'm definitely not saying they only killed 3 people on purpose. I'm sure they wished they got more at the marathon. But the fact that they didn't spend the last 3 days killing the closest humans around indiscriminately leads me to believe they had some sort of plan to make some sort of statement.

So I guess that cop outside MIT isn't a human being?

 

[irishpat183]

Oh, and word is now...That the 26 year old is a wife beater and was convicted of domestic violence in 2009.



Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who nevertheless should have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source.

That means the DHS division missed an opportunity to deport Tsarnaev, but did not abide by Federal immigration law and let him stay. Tsarnaev was given this special treatment, despite not having any spouse, children or dependent elder parents that he would normally have needed as “mitigating factors” in his favor.

It is an especially remarkable oversight, as his crime was committed in his first several years in the country – a more egregious violation by an immigrant. Tsarnaev came to the U.S. on a tourist visa in 2006. U.S. immigration law is clear on this subject:


Conviction of a crime involving “moral turpitude” during the first five (5) years after being admitted to the U.S. carries a penalty of deportation. “Moral turpitude” crimes include theft crimes such as burglary and possession of stolen property, or violent crimes such as assault and battery. Even if a legal resident was not sentenced to jail time, they are deportable if the crime committed could have resulted in a sentence of one year or more in jail.

 

[IrishLion]

Heard on MSNBC that if they catch him and take him into custody, they can immediately question him without giving him any of the usual rights in the interest of national intelligence. No lawyer, no warnings on his rights as a citizen... I can dig it.

 

[irishpat183]

Given how long it's taken to find him what do you guys think about either:

A. he was hit in the firefight last night and has possibly bled out in hiding and died

B. they are connected with a larger group that is aiding him in his escape/hiding

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Oh, and word is now...That the 26 year old is a wife beater and was convicted of domestic violence in 2009.



Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who nevertheless should have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source.

That means the DHS division missed an opportunity to deport Tsarnaev, but did not abide by Federal immigration law and let him stay. Tsarnaev was given this special treatment, despite not having any spouse, children or dependent elder parents that he would normally have needed as “mitigating factors” in his favor.

It is an especially remarkable oversight, as his crime was committed in his first several years in the country – a more egregious violation by an immigrant. Tsarnaev came to the U.S. on a tourist visa in 2006. U.S. immigration law is clear on this subject:


Conviction of a crime involving “moral turpitude” during the first five (5) years after being admitted to the U.S. carries a penalty of deportation. “Moral turpitude” crimes include theft crimes such as burglary and possession of stolen property, or violent crimes such as assault and battery. Even if a legal resident was not sentenced to jail time, they are deportable if the crime committed could have resulted in a sentence of one year or more in jail.

Domestic violence can either fall under the DV provision or another provision under U.S. Immigration law. It can fall under moral turpitude, but it can fall under the specific Domestic Violence subsection as well. If it does, a conviction under the DV provision does not trigger mandatory detention, does not disqualify relief in an Immigration Court, and does not disqualify showing good moral character.

So we don't know that deportation was mandatory. However, I do see that as a little messed up...in hindsight.

 

[goldandblue]

Given how long it's taken to find him what do you guys think about either:

A. he was hit in the firefight last night and has possibly bled out in hiding and died

B. they are connected with a larger group that is aiding him in his escape/hiding

I lean more toward A or he killed himself thus making him harder to find.

 

[Emcee77]

Heard on MSNBC that if they catch him and take him into custody, they can immediately question him without giving him any of the usual rights in the interest of national intelligence. No lawyer, no warnings on his rights as a citizen... I can dig it.

I'm curious to know how that works. Dude is a U.S. citizen. I thought that kind of treatment was only for 'enemy combatants.'

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I lean more toward A or he killed himself thus making him harder to find.

Me too.

Or, somewhere along the way, some sick *** decided to help him and hide him. Maybe the kid said he wanted to turn himself in and asked the guy for help.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm curious to know how that works. Dude is a U.S. citizen. I thought that kind of treatment was only for 'enemy combatants.'

Who knows, maybe something legally about killing a cop, dropping grenades and planting bombs makes him an enemy combatant. I'm not trying to be a smartass either, it could be that certain acts check off certain "legal" boxes.

 

[irishpat183]

I'm curious to know how that works. Dude is a U.S. citizen. I thought that kind of treatment was only for 'enemy combatants.'

You can be the guy to defend him if you'd like....Otherwise, in this situation, I think I'll turn my head and smile....