MIT Shooting

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Multiple people in a building breached, two males from 1st floor were not target but there is a male on 2nd floor speaking with negotatiors
 
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The problem now is that for the next 72 hours this is going to be the most famous kid in the world.

Not a good lesson to tell the deranged.
 
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Third suspect is elderly male, "white hat" suspect is still armed and dangerous. May be wearing suicide vest...
 
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And I'm calling it like I see it. It's you and a few others that want this, with every fiber of your being, to just be a white guy from America.

Well it wasn't. So now people, including yourself, went on the campaign to hopefully dig up something to grasp onto (well they ARRREEEE citizens, he looks like a"white" guy)...in the meantime, anyone that mentions foreign terrorist, is a "racist" and only concerned with race. Ignoring the fact that it's much more likely that guys with foreign names and connections, with slightly darker skin and features, that just got done blowing up innocent people, are radicals that hate America.

We have different ways of thinking. I'd rather assume that he's not an american, and an enemy of the state from the get go, giving my country the benefit of the doubt. Then, if he's proven to be some crazy, redneck in a cabin somewhere? I'll be the first to chastize him.
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The problem I have with this thinking is that it shows an us-or-them mentality. There's not much difference to me between Dzhokar Tsarnaev and Timothy McVeigh. By all appearances at this point, Tsarnaev has a lot more in common with McVeigh than he does al-Qaeda. Pending further investigation/information, both are American wackos who got ahold of a radical ideology and came to hate their country -- the ideologies were different, but it's the same sickness that drives a person to embrace radical ideology and engage in terrorism, whatever the ideology is. I really don't see why we keep talking about their race or ethnicity. I didn't read that Slate article that Pat seems to have found so objectionable, but if it's point was that it would be better if the bomber was a white guy so that millions of dark and olive-skinned people weren't subjected to racism by ignorant people, all other things being equal, I'm not sure I see what the fuss is about.

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I never said it was...I just said that it wasn't a "white" guy.

These guys don't look like "white" guys. Italians, maybe....LOL
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This does seem a little racist. I'll give pat the benefit of the doubt and say that the "lol" means that this was tongue in cheek, but subtract that lol and you have the very ignorance the writer of that Slate article was worried about, I'll wager. I mean, you said it, about Italians ... to look at me now, after a generation of intermarriage with Irish chicks, I look like a pale white guy, but half my family came from southern Italy, and my Italian ancestors looked at lot like the Tsarnaevs. Dzokhar Tsarnaev looks a lot like my younger brother, actually. So Pat sees these guys as some kind of bad weird other ... but we'll look at their kids as white. It shows the emptiness and bankruptcy of the thinking. These dudes are us, bro.

I mean really, they are from the CAUCASUS. Literally. If by 'white' you mean 'CAUCASIAN,' then they are white. IT'S WHERE WE GET THE EFFING WORD.

Are they pale skinned Scandinavians? No. But they aren't black, they aren't Arab, they aren't East Asian, they aren't South Asian. To whatever extent Greeks or Russians are white, these dudes are white.
 
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Since some of you guys are talking about rights, aren't they doing these house-to-house searches without warrants? Or can they basically just ask permission to do them?

I was just wondering how it works because you could potentially run into one of these houses who have a meth lab or something else they are trying to hide, but not this clown, and they still don't want to let the cops in.
 
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There is probable cause to search the houses when a terrorist is on the loose. They just couldn't charge anyone for anything that they find
 
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Is the scanner on the link for all of Boston PD or Mass State?
 
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IrishinTN said:
Since some of you guys are talking about rights, aren't they doing these house-to-house searches without warrants? Or can they basically just ask permission to do them?

I was just wondering how it works because you could potentially run into one of these houses who have a meth lab or something else they are trying to hide, but not this clown, and they still don't want to let the cops in.
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If a) consent was freely given; and b) they see something criminal "in plain view," I'm pretty sure that the one giving consent could be prosecuted.

Even if there was no consent but they were in "hot pursuit" of someone and ran through someone's apartment, you could still get that person for any illegalities.

Someone correct if I'm wrong.
 
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IrishinTN said:
Since some of you guys are talking about rights, aren't they doing these house-to-house searches without warrants? Or can they basically just ask permission to do them?

I was just wondering how it works because you could potentially run into one of these houses who have a meth lab or something else they are trying to hide, but not this clown, and they still don't want to let the cops in.
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blueNDgold44 said:
There is probable cause to search the houses when a terrorist is on the loose. They just couldn't charge anyone for anything that they find
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They don't really have probable cause to search just any house even with a suspect on the run. They could certainly ask for permission to search a house, but unless I just heard incorrectly they might not have been "searching" every house but rather just going door to door making sure everything is ok. The only way that they could get in without a warrant or permission is if there was some kind of exigent circumstance, such as hot pursuit or if there was a reasonable belief that some kind of harm would occur if they didn't enter the dwelling.

Also, as far as not being able to charge anyone for anything they could find, if any illicit activity is in plain sight and the cops entered the home legally, they could certainly be charged.
 
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Zwidmanio said:
They don't really have probable cause to search just any house even with a suspect on the run. They could certainly ask for permission to search a house, but unless I just heard incorrectly they might not have been "searching" every house but rather just going door to door making sure everything is ok. The only way that they could get in without a warrant or permission is if there was some kind of exigent circumstance, such as hot pursuit or if there was a reasonable belief that some kind of harm would occur if they didn't enter the dwelling.

Also, as far as not being able to charge anyone for anything they could find, if any illicit activity is in plain sight and the cops entered the home legally, they could certainly be charged.
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However if they could even think he was in a house the judge would give them a warrant in a heart beat.
 
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They just said the 7-11 robbery wasn't by the suspects but they just happened to be there at the time. Talk about coincidence.
 
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Zwidmanio said:
They don't really have probable cause to search just any house even with a suspect on the run. They could certainly ask for permission to search a house, but unless I just heard incorrectly they might not have been "searching" every house but rather just going door to door making sure everything is ok. The only way that they could get in without a warrant or permission is if there was some kind of exigent circumstance, such as hot pursuit or if there was a reasonable belief that some kind of harm would occur if they didn't enter the dwelling.

Also, as far as not being able to charge anyone for anything they could find, if any illicit activity is in plain sight and the cops entered the home legally, they could certainly be charged.
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Seems that there's an argument for possible harm to those inside...
 
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