Missouri Football Players to Strike

[MNIrishman]

Pretty racist tweet if you ask me

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">White people think everything and everyone is here for their satisfaction & entertainment. Mizzou players not here for it and I love it.</p>— Bri (@shes_the_maNN1) <a href="https://twitter.com/shes_the_maNN1/status/663430327986225152">November 8, 2015</a></blockquote>
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"Racial stereotypes are wrong!"

*Issues negative white racial stereotype*

 

[NDgradstudent]

To be fair, it's probably borderline impossible to attract qualified black faculty to Mizzou.

What are you talking about? Faculty jobs are incredibly hard to come by. An open position will commonly receive several hundred applications. Jobs at "R-1" schools, which includes Mizzou, are considered even more desirable by most academics. Black faculty will almost certainly have more options, but not that many more given how few jobs there are. There aren't that many black faculty in general- to the extent that it is a problem, it is not a problem unique to Mizzou.

Also, the fact that Pinkel feels comfortable calling for the President to step down tells you who really runs the school. What a disgrace. It reminds me of when Tressel was in trouble at OSU, and OSU President Gordon Gee was asked if he was going to fire him. His reply: 'Are you kidding? I'm just hoping coach doesn't fire me!'

 

[Legacy]

https://diversity.missouri.edu/about/stats/

About 3% of full time faculty are black. 7% of staff are.

To be fair, it's probably borderline impossible to attract qualified black faculty to Mizzou.

Which means that the Faculty Council support was made from a group that was comprised of 97% non-black.

 

[Grahambo]

Were these allegations actually proven or are we just to assume they are real because some people are screaming loud?

 

[magogian]

Were these allegations actually proven or are we just to assume they are real because some people are screaming loud?

From what I understand, we are taking their word for it.

Professor Dorothy Bland anyone?

 

[magogian]

Scary question: what if this nonsense spread to ND and ND's black football players vowed to strike in solidarity?

 

[Grahambo]

From what I understand, we are taking their word for it.

Professor Dorothy Bland anyone?

Wouldn't be the first time, either.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Scary question: what if this nonsense spread to ND and ND's black football players vowed to strike in solidarity?

ND's administration is so PC they would roll over in a second. It would be a good excuse to openly install quotas and a "diversity" course requirement. If they had courage, football would have to go on hiatus.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Scary question: what if this nonsense spread to ND and ND's black football players vowed to strike in solidarity?

Then I'd be extremely upset that ND hadn't done more to make its black students feel like they were all a part of the Irish family?

I don't think ND has a lot to worry about here, because my understanding is that its reputation is fairly good on this front. It's the southern schools that make almost no efforts to integrate their black students (see, e.g.) that have something to worry about.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Then I'd be extremely upset that ND hadn't done more to make its black students feel like they were all a part of the Irish family?

I don't think ND has a lot to worry about here, because my understanding is that its reputation is fairly good on this front. It's the southern schools that make almost no efforts to integrate their black students (see, e.g.) that have something to worry about.

Notice how complaints are always legitimate and correct because of who they come from, and not because of the truth of the actual complaint. The complaints that whites and Asians have about quotas don't count because they are white and Asian. On average across all colleges, being black is worth 230 SAT points, while being an athlete is worth 200, a legacy 160, and being Asian -50. These quota proposals make already difficult tasks harder for members of the supposedly "privileged" groups.

Even though ND's black population is relatively small (3.5%) and a large portion of this group are athletes, it doesn't get as much attention because ND is Catholic and there are not many black Catholics in America. For the record, I'm perfectly happy to scrap legacy preferences too, but we all know that isn't happening at ND.

The Yale Halloween Crisis, now entering its second week, is a better way of understanding the players' behavior. It is sad that they want to behave similarly, and that their oafish coach is supporting them.

 

[Legacy]

Then I'd be extremely upset that ND hadn't done more to make its black students feel like they were all a part of the Irish family?

I don't think ND has a lot to worry about here, because my understanding is that its reputation is fairly good on this front. It's the southern schools that make almost no efforts to integrate their black students (see, e.g.) that have something to worry about.

Notre Dame has been very active in promoting diversity and supporting minority students, which is important since 33% of their student body is of color. As part of their diversity and inclusion programs, ND has an Advisory Committee for Student Climate Related to Race and Ethnicity and posts the University's Spirit of Inclusion in all their residence halls. In a larger context, Notre Dame and its population has always supported individuals equal rights and justice.

 

[wizards8507]

Then I'd be extremely upset that ND hadn't done more to make its black students feel like they were all a part of the Irish family?

I don't think ND has a lot to worry about here, because my understanding is that its reputation is fairly good on this front. It's the southern schools that make almost no efforts to integrate their black students (see, e.g.) that have something to worry about.

Are you kidding me? Do you honestly not know what "integrate" means? There are seven Greek houses at Missouri specifically for black students. This protest is being led by a black student organization. Being black and rushing a black fraternity and joining a black social club is not a cry for integration. It's willing and intentional racial segregation by those accusing others of doing the same.

 

[magogian]

Are you kidding me? Do you honestly not know what "integrate" means? There are seven Greek houses at Missouri specifically for black students. This protest is being led by a black student organization. Being black and rushing a black fraternity and joining a black social club is not a cry for integration. It's willing and intentional racial segregation by those accusing others of doing the same.

In fairness, black fraternities arose because Greek fraternities were not open to blacks until somewhat recently. The problem is that the segregation, now voluntary, just continues.

 

[MNIrishman]

Then I'd be extremely upset that ND hadn't done more to make its black students feel like they were all a part of the Irish family?

I don't think ND has a lot to worry about here, because my understanding is that its reputation is fairly good on this front. It's the southern schools that make almost no efforts to integrate their black students (see, e.g.) that have something to worry about.

Exactly. I also can't imagine an ND fan shouting racial epithets out of a pickup truck. ND is a very inclusive community; the idea of race factoring into social opportunity at ND seems foreign to me.

 

[MNIrishman]

In fairness, black fraternities arose because Greek fraternities were not open to blacks until somewhat recently. The problem is that the segregation, now voluntary, just continues.

Are the black fraternities open to people of all races to rush now?

At ND, I remember being invited to become a member of the Association of Black Business Students (I am neither black nor was I a business student). That's integration!

 

[Irishnuke]

As soon as I read that they want to the president to acknowledge his white privilege I stopped reading their demands. I just can't take anyone asking for that seriously. I'm sure he will but I really hope their president stands his ground and doesn't quit.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Notre Dame has been very active in promoting diversity and supporting minority students, which is important since 33% of their student body is of color.

This is incorrect. 33% are "of color" or are international. Only 3.9% are black. The Mizzou students are demanding a 10% quota specifically for blacks. They want unqualified people to be hired, and qualified people to be fired.

Notre Dame, like Mizzou, already has informal racial quotas. So what else would students here want? A higher and explicit quota, like they are demanding at Mizzou?

It's also worth mentioning that public universities cannot use explicit racial quotas, so they are demanding something that is illegal and unconstitutional.

 

[gkIrish]

Are only black players striking? If there is a single white player striking I'm changing the thread title.

 

[NDgradstudent]

So next week's game becomes an automatic win for (99% white) BYU, right?

 

[johnnycando]

I at this point, cannot see where any positive dialogue and constructive communication can come of this thread.

This is precisely reverse discrimination, it's fire someone by mob and press, and counter-intuitive of a democracy in my opinion.

You boys and girls enjoy the show.

I am unsubscribing.

 

[woolybug25]

I hope the white, Asian, and Hispanic students on campus file a petition and list of demands that includes the abolishment of the Legion of Black Collegians and other such groups. They are hate organizations that promote segregation and unfair treatment of other individuals on the basis of race.

No kidding. Fighting racism with racism has been pretty en vogue lately.

Additionally on the demands, why would the President apologize and essentially profess himself a racist in a public forum, and then resign? Good luck with that.

Finally on Pinkel. I'm sure that publicly opposing the administration and accusing them of institutional racism will go over real well at contract time. Especially when he doesn't win football games and happens to be white. Maybe the head coaching position could be a way to get a token black dude in to appease the #blacklivesmatter student body.

 

[magogian]

Are the black fraternities open to people of all races to rush now?

Technically, yes. But, at least at the large state school I attended for undergrad, there were far more blacks in the Greek system than there were whites in the black fraternities and sororities.

 

[BGIF]

Are only black players striking? If there is a single white player striking I'm changing the thread title.

The action started with the black athletes on the team taking a stand not to practice nor play.

Pinkel's quote with the team photo noted that The Team, coaches and players, stood together. All In! But that was during the weekend when there is no practice. The President's statement said he's had a plan which included most of the demands since last summer and he commented about it getting concurrence from MU's equivalent of a BOT.

Unless the President calls a student meeting and publicly apologizes "in writing" real quick, somebody needs to give BYU a curtesy call advising them of a forfeit so BYU can cancel their charter planes.

I'm not sure anyone will miss Mizzou's work product on the field with remaining games against BYU, Ten, and Ark. The only bowling they were going to do is on an alley regardless of Presidential action.

 

[ACamp1900]

Are the black fraternities open to people of all races to rush now?

At ND, I remember being invited to become a member of the Association of Black Business Students (I am neither black nor was I a business student). That's integration!

They haven't been able to discriminate for years correct? I had many friends in Hispanic and Black student organizations and frats in college, both examples had a sprinkling of all colors... And I remember hearing the leader of the Hispanic Business Student Union state they weren't allowed to only admit Hispanics per the system, this was in 1998-99

 

[Cackalacky]

The Governor issued this statement

There is also a response by Wolf today. I am trying to get a full copy loaded up.

 

[Cackalacky]

Statement from University of Missouri System President Tim Wolfe | Leadership News | University of Missouri System

It is clear to all of us that change is needed, and we appreciate the thoughtfulness and passion which have gone into the sharing of concerns. My administration has been meeting around the clock and has been doing a tremendous amount of reflection on how to address these complex matters.

Clearly, we are open to listening to all sides, and are confident that we can come together to improve the student experience on our campuses. We want to find the best way to get everyone around the table and create the safe space for a meaningful conversation that promotes change. We will share next steps as soon as they are confirmed.

In conjunction with campus representatives, the university began work on a systemwide diversity and inclusion strategy, plan and metrics for the University of Missouri System as part of my strategic goals (see 1.4.i of the System Strategic Plan) as approved by the Board of Curators in summer 2015.

Our due date for announcing the strategy was April 2016, having allowed for multiple stakeholders (e.g., faculty, staff, students, consultants) across the system to provide input into the plan.

The majority of items listed on the Concerned Student 1950 List of Demands were already included in the draft of the strategy. While the student list provides more detail and more specific metrics than had been established in the UM System plan, we had anticipated providing specificity and detail to the plan over the coming months.

In the meantime, I am dedicated to ongoing dialogue to address these very complex, societal issues as they affect our campus community.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Statement from University of Missouri System President Tim Wolfe | Leadership News | University of Missouri System

Translation: racial quotas now; racial quotas tomorrow; racial quotas forever.

Would the Mizzou players like it if 80% of the football team had to be white, to align with Missouri's population? Somebody ought to ask them- they should have plenty of free time to answer since they aren't practicing. Ask Pinkel too: he only needs to call Provo to forfeit and then he should be available for questions.

 

[BeauBenken]

Are only black players striking? If there is a single white player striking I'm changing the thread title.

Good catch. It was originally just some of the black players, but now the entire team has joined in.

 

[JTLA]

ND can help solve this whole problem...

ND can help solve this whole problem...

ND can help solve this whole problem...

We just need to introduce the Missouri football team to one of our Academic Coaches.

 

[IrishInFl]

I saw the word patriarchy mentioned. The bs meter was over 9000 when that was written.