Marcus Smart

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It's gonna be a he said he said type of thing i guess.

 

[GATTACA!]

Is it just me or in the vine doesn't it look like the guy is saying "sorry about that" ?

 

[irishog77]

I disagree. I think this is a big deal and that Smart needs to be made an example of with a lengthy suspension. He walks up to a fan and attacks him. Thats unacceptable. No matter what was said (and I am assuming the worst).

And I disagree again. He didn't walk up to a fan and attack him, that's not at all what happened.

The kid was in the process of losing a hard-fought, close game (their 4th in a row, to boot), right then and there at that moment. He was on the floor and some old fat ass yelled some stuff at him (which I'm sure he already had that game and previous games-- the dude is supposedly notorious for yelling at kids.). He gave him a half-assed shove and walked away.

Look, I'm not saying Smart is in the right here, but a much, much bigger deal will be made of this than should be. Sit him for a couple games. Move on.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Sporting events would be better to attend if fans knew that there were repercussions for their actions.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Is it just me or in the vine doesn't it look like the guy is saying "sorry about that" ?

Because the old man is a coward. He can tell Marcus Smart to "go back to Africa" or use the n-word when he thinks he's safe. Once he is confronted he apologizes and cowers like the old joke he is.

 

[Brooklyn]

And I disagree again. He didn't walk up to a fan and attack him, that's not at all what happened.

The kid was in the process of losing a hard-fought, close game (their 4th in a row, to boot), right then and there at that moment. He was on the floor and some old fat ass yelled some stuff at him (which I'm sure he already had that game and previous games-- the dude is supposedly notorious for yelling at kids.). He gave him a half-assed shove and walked away.

Look, I'm not saying Smart is in the right here, but a much, much bigger deal will be made of this than should be. Sit him for a couple games. Move on.

He got up and walked to him. Both are wrong in this situation and both need to be made examples of. Its not okay what either one did but this can't be the same punishment as missing a practice or something.

 

[Brooklyn]

Sporting events would be better to attend if fans knew that there were repercussions for their actions.

Not by physical violence. Getting banned and thrown out of the stadium, sure.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>WTF. RT <a href="https://twitter.com/MattNorlander">@MattNorlander</a>: Marcus Smart pushes a fan/older man. Video <a href="https://t.co/cc2D42riyn">https://t.co/cc2D42riyn</a></p>— Gary Parrish (@GaryParrishCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/statuses/432372937375502336">February 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I'm sorry but i can't even get passed the wife pointing and yelling "OOoooooooh Tellinnnnnng!!" She looks like a 5 year old lmao

 

[pumpdog20]

Sporting events would be better to attend if fans knew that there were repercussions for their actions.

This, all of this.

 

[BGIF]

Marcus Smart of Oklahoma State Cowboys shoves fan - ESPN


Big 12 Commissoner will review Sunday under conference's sportsmanship policy options range from private reprimand to public reprimand to suspension.

Big 12 officials have "no basis for ejection" for player/fan interaction. Security is up to the home team.

If there is a sportsmanship policy there is a basis.




Eject the player from the game and Fan from the arena. The conference should deal with the player from there and have the school show cause why the fan should not be banned from campus and why the home team should not forfeit the contest for allowing a hostile environment.

If a player leaves the field, court, ice, track, etc, it to go after anyone in the stands there should be an ejection.

 

[IrishLax]

Sigh. This will now dominate news and water coolers.

Not that big of a deal, in my opinion.

And I disagree again. He didn't walk up to a fan and attack him, that's not at all what happened.

The kid was in the process of losing a hard-fought, close game (their 4th in a row, to boot), right then and there at that moment. He was on the floor and some old fat ass yelled some stuff at him (which I'm sure he already had that game and previous games-- the dude is supposedly notorious for yelling at kids.). He gave him a half-assed shove and walked away.

Look, I'm not saying Smart is in the right here, but a much, much bigger deal will be made of this than should be. Sit him for a couple games. Move on.

For the life of me I don't see how this is NOT a huge deal. All the "mitigating factors" do not matter. You're not allowed to go into the stands and put your hands on someone. Period. He should never step foot on the court again.

Are people going to act like they haven't heard fans routinely say derogatory stuff at players? Basketball and hockey are notorious for it at every stadium. Should players be allowed to seek out any fan they take issue with for "justice"?

On the flip side, if a fan put his hands on a player, what would happen? Kicked out, arrested, and probably banned for life. There is no universe where a player should be able to seek out a fan and shove them and walk away from that incident with only minor repercussions.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

For those who aren't aware, OSU upset Kansas at Allen Fieldhouse last year. After the buzzer, Smart did a back flip on the Jayhawk at center court.

Not many people in Lawrence care for him.

 

[nsideirish]

Since this was not the first incident with this fan, and especially if he dropped the n-word or said something else racially motivated, he should have his tickets revokes and receive a ban from the stadium.

Marcus Smart should be suspended the remainder of the season. Although if he was called the n-word, I sympathize with him. But still cannot justify it.

 

[irishog77]

For the life of me I don't see how this is NOT a huge deal. All the "mitigating factors" do not matter. You're not allowed to go into the stands and put your hands on someone. Period. He should never step foot on the court again.

Are people going to act like they haven't heard fans routinely say derogatory stuff at players? Basketball and hockey are notorious for it at every stadium. Should players be allowed to seek out any fan they take issue with for "justice"?

On the flip side, if a fan put his hands on a player, what would happen? Kicked out, arrested, and probably banned for life. There is no universe where a player should be able to seek out a fan and shove them and walk away from that incident with only minor repercussions.

Again, looking at the incident itself, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I cringe when I see words like "attack" and "physical violence." I think it was neither of those. He pushed a guy. One quick, simple shove. Then moved away and it was over.

I'm not defending Smart nor do I believe he should not be punished.

I look at it kind of like this-- many schools nowadays have a zero tolerance for "violence" or "fighting" policy. I worked at one such place. But, the manner of the "fight" and "violence" was taken into account when an incident occurred. A push would not merit an expulsion (nor probably even a suspension), thankfully.

If there was more to the incident than one single shove, then sure, punish him more harshly. I can't see ending the kid's career over what happened though.

 

[BGIF]

Again, looking at the incident itself, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I cringe when I see words like "attack" and "physical violence." I think it was neither of those. He pushed a guy. One quick, simple shove. Then moved away and it was over.

I'm not defending Smart nor do I believe he should not be punished.

I look at it kind of like this-- many schools nowadays have a zero tolerance for "violence" or "fighting" policy. I worked at one such place. But, the manner of the "fight" and "violence" was taken into account when an incident occurred. A push would not merit an expulsion (nor probably even a suspension), thankfully.

If there was more to the incident than one single shove, then sure, punish him more harshly. I can't see ending the kid's career over what happened though.

No big deal to you. But the video is proof of battery. Assault seems apparent.

 

[averagejoe]

I'm honestly glad this happened. Fans get away with murder at sporting events in regards to the things they say towards those competing. If more people were lead to believe that their words/actions within an arena or stadium would have tangible repercussions, there would probably be a marked increase in fan behavior.

Also to those of you saying Smart "attacked a fan," are you serious? He pushed a grown man in the chest. He didn't punch him; he didn't brandish a weapon. I'm sure the dictionary definition of attack is probably some reference to any forceful action but don't go there.

He should probably get suspended for a few games, definitely not for the season. If EA goes flying into the stands at the Carrier Dome and is verbally harassed by an old white man and pushes him I doubt everyone's immediate response is to suspend him for the season. You would want to know the facts and what led to the incident.

For everyone saying, "players should NEVER touch a fan," well, fans should never accost players (especially 20 year old ones). That happens at every game, in every stadium across the country though.

 

[autry_denson]

No big deal to you. But the video is proof of battery. Assault seems apparent.

I really wish Smart hadn't pushed him, and had just pointed him out to security for whatever he said. I'm making some assumptions about what was said, but I don't think they're unreasonable assumptions. Even if they weren't explicitly racial, something abusive was said to provoke that response. If Smart hadn't touched him, it could have been a situation where justice was done and a light was shone on this guy who, based on what is now coming out, seems to be at the minimum an extremely irresponsible fan.

The fact that he pushed him means that Smart will get sanctioned, which makes sense. It's nothing close to an assault, obviously. One can only hope that the old guy gets what's coming to him as well. Being old and rich and white doesn't give you the right to verbally abuse at will.

 

[Brooklyn]

I'm honestly glad this happened. Fans get away with murder at sporting events in regards to the things they say towards those competing. If more people were lead to believe that their words/actions within an arena or stadium would have tangible repercussions, there would probably be a marked increase in fan behavior.

Also to those of you saying Smart "attacked a fan," are you serious? He pushed a grown man in the chest. He didn't punch him; he didn't brandish a weapon. I'm sure the dictionary definition of attack is probably some reference to any forceful action but don't go there.

He should probably get suspended for a few games, definitely not for the season. If EA goes flying into the stands at the Carrier Dome and is verbally harassed by an old white man and pushes him I doubt everyone's immediate response is to suspend him for the season. You would want to know the facts and what led to the incident.

For everyone saying, "players should NEVER touch a fan," well, fans should never accost players (especially 20 year old ones). That happens at every game, in every stadium across the country though.

I fully agree. Just their fear shouldn't come to physical violence. Should be fear of going to jail for harassment, being banned from stadium, etc.

Its an attack. Looking to not call it that when the dictionary and the law look at it that way, isn't right.

Who's EA? And it doesn't matter to me who does it. It shouldn't happen and my reaction would be the same.

I agree that fans shouldnt heckle, but both are wrong and both should be punished and made examples of. If you're old enough to go to jail or to enter the army then you are old enough for serious repercussions to your actions.

 

[Brooklyn]

This is how it shouldve been handled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dKEAQxlRdg

Fast forward to 1:16 mark.

 

[Bobias]

Sporting events would be better to attend if fans knew that there were repercussions for their actions.

No, then sports arenas wouldn't be able to cultivate and simulate the modern gladiatorial arena atmosphere that make going to sporting events such a unique experience. It is one of the last standing refuges of our primitive brutal nature at work, and it is entirely for our entertainment. Granted, nobody wants the athletes or the fans to get hurt, but the reality is that the teams and their stakeholders have a clear interest in cultivating a loud, passionate, enthusiastic environment that is enticing to be a part of. Most sports franchises are trying desperately to fill the seats at their stadiums right now, and they will do pretty much anything to make sure that coming to the stadium to watch a game is noticeably different and worth the money to actually pay for a ticket.

 

[MPClinton22]

It's a ridiculous notion that because he didn't push him very hard, or because he didn't punch him and actually injure him, that this isn't a big deal. A player entered the stands and initiated physical contact with a fan. The nature of said contact is irrelevant. What if a fan did EXACTLY what Marcus did. What if they left their seat, walked onto the court and shoved a player? What would happen then? That fan would, in all likelihood, be banned for life from attending NCAA sporting events. Then again, the NCAA is inept so maybe nothing would happen.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

IMO Smart's history doesn't help his cause very much. From all accounts he seems to have the same temperament Ron Artest (not to be confused with Metta World Peace) did, and this was long overdue judging how his month has been.

 

[irishog77]

No big deal to you. But the video is proof of battery. Assault seems apparent.

Are you speaking legally or based on a definition of those terms?

I think there's a 99.99% chance Smart will never be convicted of either of those, let alone even charged. Which begs the question, if he's not even charged with battery or assault, did he then, in fact, commit battery or assault?

It's a ridiculous notion that because he didn't push him very hard, or because he didn't punch him and actually injure him, that this isn't a big deal. A player entered the stands and initiated physical contact with a fan. The nature of said contact is irrelevant. What if a fan did EXACTLY what Marcus did. What if they left their seat, walked onto the court and shoved a player? What would happen then? That fan would, in all likelihood, be banned for life from attending NCAA sporting events. Then again, the NCAA is inept so maybe nothing would happen.

I think the nature of the contact is relevant. If Smart had Jayru Camplell-ed the fan, I think there would be certain unanimous backing for season-long/career-long suspension, as well as legal action (well, I'm sure there would be some who may believe Smart is the victim of fetal alcohol syndrome and he, himself, is a victim...but I digress.). But say (and just go with me here), he walked up to a fan and literally barely grazed him with one finger, then he should have the book thrown at him as well? Players interact and touch fans all the time-- this is an undeniable fact. Players dive for loose balls into the stands, players high-five fans, players excrete bodily fluids on fans, etc. Some sort of distinction has to be made, so I think the nature of contact is relevant.

 

[DillonHall]

Again, looking at the incident itself, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I cringe when I see words like "attack" and "physical violence." I think it was neither of those. He pushed a guy. One quick, simple shove. Then moved away and it was over.

I'm not defending Smart nor do I believe he should not be punished.

I look at it kind of like this-- many schools nowadays have a zero tolerance for "violence" or "fighting" policy. I worked at one such place. But, the manner of the "fight" and "violence" was taken into account when an incident occurred. A push would not merit an expulsion (nor probably even a suspension), thankfully.

If there was more to the incident than one single shove, then sure, punish him more harshly. I can't see ending the kid's career over what happened though.

I understand what you're saying about fights at school, but I'm guessing the policy applied to incidents between students.

This case is more similar to a student physically attacking a teacher. I'd assume the repercussions would be much greater.

 

[notredomer23]

If he was in fact called what he said he was, I have no problem with it whatsoever. Inappropriate? Yes. Should he be suspended a couple games? Yes. But for the rest of the season is far excessive.

 

[Buster Bluth]

If he was in fact called what he said he was, I have no problem with it whatsoever. Inappropriate? Yes. Should he be suspended a couple games? Yes. But for the rest of the season is far excessive.

This.

 

[irishog77]

I understand what you're saying about fights at school, but I'm guessing the policy applied to incidents between students.

This case is more similar to a student physically attacking a teacher. I'd assume the repercussions would be much greater.

You're right about student-vs-student, and you bring up an interesting point. It probably isn't an apples to apples comparison.

I'm not sure it would be student/teacher though. Student/teacher is a unique relationship, by its nature. So athlete (amateur athlete at that)/fan? Hmmm...that is interesting. It's tough to define the nature of that relationship. I think that is worthy of some discussion.

 

[MPClinton22]

I think the nature of the contact is relevant. If Smart had Jayru Camplell-ed the fan, I think there would be certain unanimous backing for season-long/career-long suspension, as well as legal action (well, I'm sure there would be some who may believe Smart is the victim of fetal alcohol syndrome and he, himself, is a victim...but I digress.). But say (and just go with me here), he walked up to a fan and literally barely grazed him with one finger, then he should have the book thrown at him as well? Players interact and touch fans all the time-- this is an undeniable fact. Players dive for loose balls into the stands, players high-five fans, players excrete bodily fluids on fans, etc. Some sort of distinction has to be made, so I think the nature of contact is relevant.

Ok yes I agree with you here. What I should have said was once aggressive contact is made, which is what I would categorize this as, then it is irrelevant as to whether or not he should be punished. Of course if he injured the fan then legal repercussions would occur. But as far as the question of whether or not he should be punished, the nature of the contact he made isn't particularly relevant in my mind. Reading peoples comments it seems like him being punished is a foregone conclusion, so that distinction is probably unnecessary anyways. Now the actual consequences he faces should certainly reflect the severity of his actions. And unfortunately with this sort of situation I would not be surprised to see this end up being a season long suspension.

 

[Pachuco]

I think you absolutely have to take into account this kid's history.

If he can't control his actions, he shouldn't be on the court.

Unfortunately, there are many morons out there posing as fans.

And they will eat this knowledge up about Smart's character...

Though it won't play out like this:

Smart should sit for 10 games.

Dude jabbering should also have his tickets revoked for 10 games.

Send a message to both parties.

 

[IrishHokie22]

Smart suspended three games.

Marcus Smart of Oklahoma State Cowboys suspended 3 games for shoving fan - ESPN

Ron Artest (or World Peace, whatever) offers his advice:

Metta World Peace says Marcus Smart can learn from fan incident - ESPN