Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[Irishdrunk]

What…. Freeman even has said HE decided to not pursue a portal qb… Kelly gone December of 2021 is responsible for not going to get someone in the portal for 2022 season after he got a 2021 portal qb lol

Agreed. Kelly went and got Jayden Daniella when he went to LSU. Freeman admitted they discussed taking a transfer but didn’t. This was another Freeman growing pain.

 

[JamIrish]

I would like to hear everyone's view on this...I know fans are going to keep comparing Freeman to Kelly but would it be a more fair comparison to compare Freeman to Bob Davie? I ask because both Freeman and Davie were 1st time HC and former DC that were following successful coaches (Holtz and Kelly). I know Freeman and Davie took over different situations but I'm asking off of career trajectory. I just think it's not fair to compare the 1st year of a 1st time head coach to someone who has had 25+ years of experience. I know that Freeman being better than Davie isn't a tall order and that's why I ask.

 

[Crazy Balki]

What…. Freeman even has said HE decided to not pursue a portal qb… Kelly gone December of 2021 is responsible for not going to get someone in the portal for 2022 season after he got a 2021 portal qb lol

You continuously bring this up over and over and provide zero legitimate names.

Until you can provide a name that ND could have realistically gotten who was a significant and noticeable upgrade over Buchner, it is a moot point.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Agreed. Kelly went and got Jayden Daniella when he went to LSU. Freeman admitted they discussed taking a transfer but didn’t. This was another Freeman growing pain.

Daniels wasn't an option for Freeman.

The best names that were available to him were Slovis and JT Daniels. Both of which were not upgrades over Buchner and proved it. Heck, probably not even upgrades over Pyne. They were incredibly mediocre.

 

[Crazy Balki]

The way we were playing to end the season in 21 we may have gone 12-0 … definitely struggled out of the gates in 21 on both sides of the ball though

Smh...ND played nobody in 2021. Post Cincinnati, this was ND's slate:

@ Virginia Tech (6-7)
vs. USC (4-8)
vs. North Carolina (6-7)
vs. Navy (4-8)
@ Virginia (6-6)
vs. Georgia Tech (3-9)
@ Stanford (3-9)

In the final 7 games of the season, ND didn't play a SINGLE team with a winning record.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Smh...ND played nobody in 2021. Post Cincinnati, this was ND's slate:

@ Virginia Tech (6-7)
vs. USC (4-8)
vs. North Carolina (6-7)
vs. Navy (4-8)
@ Virginia (6-6)
vs. Georgia Tech (3-9)
@ Stanford (3-9)

In the final 7 games of the season, ND didn't play a SINGLE team with a winning record.

Also, the UVA game was with Armstrong out.

 

[allenm5333]

You continuously bring this up over and over and provide zero legitimate names.

Until you can provide a name that ND could have realistically gotten who was a significant and noticeable upgrade over Buchner, it is a moot point.

Do we know if MF really didn’t want to pursue one? Or was he covering up for head offensive coordinator Rees? MF always takes the high er ground

 

[stlnd01]

I would like to hear everyone's view on this...I know fans are going to keep comparing Freeman to Kelly but would it be a more fair comparison to compare Freeman to Bob Davie? I ask because both Freeman and Davie were 1st time HC and former DC that were following successful coaches (Holtz and Kelly). I know Freeman and Davie took over different situations but I'm asking off of career trajectory. I just think it's not fair to compare the 1st year of a 1st time head coach to someone who has had 25+ years of experience. I know that Freeman being better than Davie isn't a tall order and that's why I ask.

Well, Davie lost four of his first five games and finished his first season 7-6.
So I’d say thus far Freeman’s doing better.

Davie’s best season was probably year two (1998) when we beat defending champ Michigan and went 10-1 until Jarious Jackson somehow got hurt taking a safety at the end of the LSU game and then we lost to USC and the bowl game. So we’ve got that to look forward to.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Do we know if MF really didn’t want to pursue one? Or was he covering up for head offensive coordinator Rees? MF always takes the high er ground

The most I recall was Rees reaching out and speaking to Kedon Slovis, but that was about it.

Odds are that Freeman and Rees didn't see a QB who was a certain upgrade to what they had on roster. Unfortunately, this is the downside to relying on the portal. You're not going to have a Sam Hartman every year. You may not even have a Jack Coan available. Last year was an example of that.

I can't blame them. You take the upside Buchner provides and if it translates, you have a 2 year quality starter at least.

It didn't work out. But you can't predict injuries. The bigger problem was Kelly, Long and Rees settling on Drew Pyne as their 2020 QB, when it was apparent that he wasn't going to get big enough, didn't have a strong arm and wasn't mobile enough to compensate for it.

 

[stlnd01]

It didn't work out. But you can't predict injuries. The bigger problem was Kelly, Long and Rees settling on Drew Pyne as their 2020 QB, when it was apparent that he wasn't going to get big enough, didn't have a strong arm and wasn't mobile enough to compensate for it.

And settling for Brendan Clark the class before, who also wasn’t enough. And Phil-who-did-not-pan-out in the class before that. It took years to put our QB room where it was last season.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Smh...ND played nobody in 2021. Post Cincinnati, this was ND's slate:

@ Virginia Tech (6-7)
vs. USC (4-8)
vs. North Carolina (6-7)
vs. Navy (4-8)
@ Virginia (6-6)
vs. Georgia Tech (3-9)
@ Stanford (3-9)

In the final 7 games of the season, ND didn't play a SINGLE team with a winning record.

Statistically speaking NDs schedule was more difficult in 21 than 22. 22 just was top heavy with 3 monster games

Daniels wasn't an option for Freeman.

The best names that were available to him were Slovis and JT Daniels. Both of which were not upgrades over Buchner and proved it. Heck, probably not even upgrades over Pyne. They were incredibly mediocre.

false and false

When on a good offense Slovis put up really good numbers, Daniels ok. … on bad offenses they didn’t do well. NDs offense had a good bit of talent in 22. Buchner is just terrible and pyne just a little better. What would have been the negative of bringing Slovis in and increasing comp? A qb leaving?

 

[T-Boone]

It would have been interesting to have JT Daniels last season.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Daniels wasn't an option for Freeman.

The best names that were available to him were Slovis and JT Daniels. Both of which were not upgrades over Buchner and proved it. Heck, probably not even upgrades over Pyne. They were incredibly mediocre.

1. Why wasn't Daniels an option?
2. The fact that Slovis and Daniels were not upgrades at best is in argument in hindsight and you know it.

The fact that Freeman was okay with his QB room is the issue. He should have taken a transfer regardless to be competitive. I do wonder if he will even do so next year.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

1. Why wasn't Daniels an option?
2. The fact that Slovis and Daniels were not upgrades at best is in argument in hindsight and you know it.

The fact that Freeman was okay with his QB room is the issue. He should have taken a transfer regardless to be competitive. I do wonder if he will even do so next year.

Daniels wasn't worth the price he was looking for.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Daniels wasn't worth the price he was looking for.

His ultimate landing spot confirms this.

 

[NDMatt91]

Are we talking about J.T. Daniels or Jayden Daniels? Both were grad transfers.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Are we talking about J.T. Daniels or Jayden Daniels? Both were grad transfers.

I am talking JT.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Daniels wasn't worth the price he was looking for.

Clearly better than the QBs we had. Nice try. But whatever makes you feel better.

 

[irishnd31]

Clearly better than the QBs we had. Nice try. But whatever makes you feel better.

 

[irishfan]

Well, Davie lost four of his first five games and finished his first season 7-6.
So I’d say thus far Freeman’s doing better.

Davie’s best season was probably year two (1998) when we beat defending champ Michigan and went 10-1 until Jarious Jackson somehow got hurt taking a safety at the end of the LSU game and then we lost to USC and the bowl game. So we’ve got that to look forward to.

Can’t believe it but Drew Pyne > Eric Chappell

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I'm not sure what you are using to determine that Daniels was better than Pyne, but QBR is showing:

Pyne: 155.3
JT Daniels: 122.9
Slovis: 127.1

ND also played a tougher schedule than WVa.

 

[Ndaccountant]

 

[Irishdrunk]

I'm not sure what you are using to determine that Daniels was better than Pyne, but QBR is showing:

Pyne: 155.3
JT Daniels: 122.9
Slovis: 127.1

ND also played a tougher schedule than WVa.

He won the SEC West for Coach Kelly.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Clearly better than the QBs we had. Nice try. But whatever makes you feel better.

Funny thing is I actually know individuals that were directly involved with his transfer. Not only were demands high but he was a cancer to the team, kind of like you are to this board.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Jayden Daniels won the SEC west for Kelly. However, I thought he wasn't a take academically coming from ASU.

144.5 QBR against a tough schedule. Still won some big games though.

 

[stlnd01]

Jayden Daniels would have been an upgrade, yes. But JT Daniels was the Daniels in question.
I don't remember why Jayden wasn't an option - was he still undergrad? - but he never really seemed to be in the cards for us.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm not sure what you are using to determine that Daniels was better than Pyne, but QBR is showing:

Pyne: 155.3
JT Daniels: 122.9
Slovis: 127.1

ND also played a tougher schedule than WVa.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not sure what you are using to determine that Daniels was better than Pyne, but QBR is showing:

Pyne: 155.3
JT Daniels: 122.9
Slovis: 127.1

ND also played a tougher schedule than WVa.

This. There's no indication that Slovis or Daniels would have performed better than Pyne last year. Not sure why people keep pushing that theory.

 

[PutuporShutup]

This. There's no indication that Slovis or Daniels would have performed better than Pyne last year. Not sure why people keep pushing that theory.

The theory is slovis for sure and Daniels a bit but not quite as much have shown much better ability (other than buchner running) than pyne or buchner had leading into the season, and stats back that up. Why in the heck would you not have gone after and taken a kid like slovis who threw for 3500 yds and 30tds with a 167 rating when both of your qbs had shown very very little? Worst case is buchner beats them out still and starts, or one of them transfers out. If any of our coaches thought buchner or Pyne were "IT" or championship caliber QB they should have their head checked. Everyone that saw either play in 21 or went to a practice, etc knew they had major major issues.

We didn't need a better QB to go 10-2, but I have no doubt we win 1 more game minimum if we had a player like slovis for us starting despite some coaching mistakes.

I do not think slovis is amazing, but i'm extremely confident he's better than buchner or pyne who I both think will be riding the "pyne" this year.

Jayden Daniels didn't light up the world at ASU but Kelly knew he needed more QB competition and got him, didn't hand him the job, but let him have the opportunity to win it and he turned into a darn good QB.

 

[ulukinatme]

The theory is slovis for sure and Daniels a bit but not quite as much have shown much better ability (other than buchner running) than pyne or buchner had leading into the season, and stats back that up. Why in the heck would you not have gone after and taken a kid like slovis who threw for 3500 yds and 30tds with a 167 rating when both of your qbs had shown very very little? Worst case is buchner beats them out still and starts, or one of them transfers out. If any of our coaches thought buchner or Pyne were "IT" or championship caliber QB they should have their head checked. Everyone that saw either play in 21 or went to a practice, etc knew they had major major issues.

We didn't need a better QB to go 10-2, but I have no doubt we win 1 more game minimum if we had a player like slovis for us starting despite some coaching mistakes.

I do not think slovis is amazing, but i'm extremely confident he's better than buchner or pyne who I both think will be riding the "pyne" this year.

Jayden Daniels didn't light up the world at ASU but Kelly knew he needed more QB competition and got him, didn't hand him the job, but let him have the opportunity to win it and he turned into a darn good QB.

You're quoting Slovis stats from 2019. He's gotten nothing but worse every season since then. Just stop.