Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[PutuporShutup]

You're quoting Slovis stats from 2019. He's gotten nothing but worse every season since then. Just stop.

You thought this guy was good enough to lead us. Why the heck would you want a QB who went from having great talent around him and playing great to a decimated offense and not playin gas good as part of your QB competition. Again, you haven't answered, what would the harm have been? Not enough scholly's lol? This isn't monday morning quarterbacking, a lot of us said it spring 2022. At least we found out this spring why freeman didn't play buchner in the 2022 spring game. It wasn't an ankle issue.

 

[ulukinatme]

You thought this guy was good enough to lead us. Why the heck would you want a QB who went from having great talent around him and playing great to a decimated offense and not playin gas good as part of your QB competition. Again, you haven't answered, what would the harm have been? Not enough scholly's lol? This isn't monday morning quarterbacking, a lot of us said it spring 2022. At least we found out this spring why freeman didn't play buchner in the 2022 spring game. It wasn't an ankle issue.

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Where did I say I thought Buchner was good enough to lead us? I didn't. I don't think Buchner or Pyne were at our caliber. Slovis certainly wasn't either, he was below both.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Where did I say I thought Buchner was good enough to lead us? I didn't. I don't think Buchner or Pyne were at our caliber. Slovis certainly wasn't either, he was below both.

I'll say fair to your first two sentences. No clue how you could say before 2022 that slovis was below them when he was the only one that had shown the capability of being good at the college level.

Pyne threw for 233 yards before the 2022 season and showed major limitations. Buchner 300 yards showing major throwing issues. Slovis had thrown for over 7500 yards before the 2022 season over the course of 3 seasons. The only reason you would not take slovis is if you thought buchner or pyne were the one, and it would have been crazier to think that.

I just can't imagine being in practice and thinking....... we got our guy when watching these two. EVERY reporter said otherwise. Our eyes in 2021 said otherwise.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I highly doubt Slovis (or JT Daniels) would have transferred anywhere they wouldn't be defacto QB1.

 

[Irishdrunk]

The theory is slovis for sure and Daniels a bit but not quite as much have shown much better ability (other than buchner running) than pyne or buchner had leading into the season, and stats back that up. Why in the heck would you not have gone after and taken a kid like slovis who threw for 3500 yds and 30tds with a 167 rating when both of your qbs had shown very very little? Worst case is buchner beats them out still and starts, or one of them transfers out. If any of our coaches thought buchner or Pyne were "IT" or championship caliber QB they should have their head checked. Everyone that saw either play in 21 or went to a practice, etc knew they had major major issues.

We didn't need a better QB to go 10-2, but I have no doubt we win 1 more game minimum if we had a player like slovis for us starting despite some coaching mistakes.

I do not think slovis is amazing, but i'm extremely confident he's better than buchner or pyne who I both think will be riding the "pyne" this year.

Jayden Daniels didn't light up the world at ASU but Kelly knew he needed more QB competition and got him, didn't hand him the job, but let him have the opportunity to win it and he turned into a darn good QB.

Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!!!

Wish Freeman just didn't buy Tommy-Boy's advice last year. Hopefully he won't let Gerard lead him down a bad path next year when assessing the QB Room.....

 

[PutuporShutup]

I highly doubt Slovis (or JT Daniels) would have transferred anywhere they wouldn't be defacto QB1.

Pretty sure Slovis wanted to come to ND. At least that was reported.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'll say fair to your first two sentences. No clue how you could say before 2022 that slovis was below them when he was the only one that had shown the capability of being good at the college level.

Pyne threw for 233 yards before the 2022 season and showed major limitations. Buchner 300 yards showing major throwing issues. Slovis had thrown for over 7500 yards before the 2022 season over the course of 3 seasons. The only reason you would not take slovis is if you thought buchner or pyne were the one, and it would have been crazier to think that.

I just can't imagine being in practice and thinking....... we got our guy when watching these two. EVERY reporter said otherwise. Our eyes in 2021 said otherwise.

Practice doesn't always translate to success in games. Often it can, but some players struggle on the big stage while others shine. You don't know until Saturday. Pyne didn't look too bad in 2021 quite frankly, and at times he looked competent last year. He was great against BYU and North Carolina, while he struggled heavily against Navy and UNLV. Buchner had so few snaps, and his production was feast or famine. Slovis may have been more experienced, but he also had shown struggles with accuracy and getting worse each season, as well as a TD/INT ratio that progressively got worse. In a situation like that sometimes it's better to trust the devil you know than the one you don't know.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Statistically speaking NDs schedule was more difficult in 21 than 22. 22 just was top heavy with 3 monster games

false and false

When on a good offense Slovis put up really good numbers, Daniels ok. … on bad offenses they didn’t do well. NDs offense had a good bit of talent in 22. Buchner is just terrible and pyne just a little better. What would have been the negative of bringing Slovis in and increasing comp? A qb leaving?

What statistic supports the notion that ND's schedule was tougher in '21 compared to '22? Because if there is one, it is laughably and insanely flawed.

In 2021, ND played a whopping 4 teams that finished 2021 with a winning record. Those were Cincinnati (13-1), Purdue (9-4), Wisconsin (9-4) and Toledo (7-6).

In 2022, ND played 7. This included the three games against playoff/NY6 bound teams. Not to mention, of those 7 games, 5 of them were away from NDS, compared to only 1 in 2021 (Wisconsin).

So ND played nearly DOUBLE the number of teams with a winning record than in 2021, yet you think it was stastically worse than in 2021? When we played zero winning teams in the final 7 games of the regular season. Pardon me if I call bullshit on that. ND's schedule in 2022 was definitely harder. It's really not even a debate.

And you bringing up Slovis being "really good" when on a good offense. Like when? 2019? So 4 years ago, when Slovis had arguably the best receiving corp in the country to throw to? Yeah, that's basically irrelevant. He did nothing in '20 and '21 to indicate that he was truly a game changer at QB or even good for that matter. And he solidified that fact last year. Same with JT Daniels. On top of the fact that he was insanely injury plagued.

And you talk about ND having a good bit of talent in 2022 on offense. Uh, you talking about the WR corp that had what? 4 healthy bodies going into the Ohio State game? We were in a situation where Matt Salerno had to play legitimate reps in that game. To compare that talent to the likes of what Slovis had in 2019 when he was putting up good numbers is laughable. There's a pretty considerable difference between throwing the ball to Matt Salerno, Jayden Thomas and Lorenzo Styles and throwing the ball to Michael Pittman, Amon Ra St. Brown, Tyler Vaughns and Drake London.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say you have done nothing to prove either of these arguments are indeed false.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Crazy -

Brian Kelly had no guarantee that Jaden Daniels was gonna be so great but he knew that bringing in a third quarterback would legitimately increase the competition in the quarterback room at LSU. So why didn’t Freeman bring in a transfer to increase the competition?

 

[PutuporShutup]

What statistic supports the notion that ND's schedule was tougher in '21 compared to '22? Because if there is one, it is laughably and insanely flawed.

In 2021, ND played a whopping 4 teams that finished 2021 with a winning record. Those were Cincinnati (13-1), Purdue (9-4), Wisconsin (9-4) and Toledo (7-6).

In 2022, ND played 7. This included the three games against playoff/NY6 bound teams. Not to mention, of those 7 games, 5 of them were away from NDS, compared to only 1 in 2021 (Wisconsin).

So ND played nearly DOUBLE the number of teams with a winning record than in 2021, yet you think it was stastically worse than in 2021? When we played zero winning teams in the final 7 games of the regular season. Pardon me if I call bullshit on that. ND's schedule in 2022 was definitely harder. It's really not even a debate.

And you bringing up Slovis being "really good" when on a good offense. Like when? 2019? So 4 years ago, when Slovis had arguably the best receiving corp in the country to throw to? Yeah, that's basically irrelevant. He did nothing in '20 and '21 to indicate that he was truly a game changer at QB or even good for that matter. And he solidified that fact last year. Same with JT Daniels. On top of the fact that he was insanely injury plagued.

And you talk about ND having a good bit of talent in 2022 on offense. Uh, you talking about the WR corp that had what? 4 healthy bodies going into the Ohio State game? We were in a situation where Matt Salerno had to play legitimate reps in that game. To compare that talent to the likes of what Slovis had in 2019 when he was putting up good numbers is laughable. There's a pretty considerable difference between throwing the ball to Matt Salerno, Jayden Thomas and Lorenzo Styles and throwing the ball to Michael Pittman, Amon Ra St. Brown, Tyler Vaughns and Drake London.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say you have done nothing to prove either of these arguments are indeed false.

College Football Strength of Schedule Rankings

Strength of Schedule Played and Strength of Schedule Remaining for all 133 NCAA Division 1 Football teams.

powerrankingsguru.com

This one has us 48th in 2022 , next one 40th in 2022

ELO Strength of Schedule (SOS) - FBSCollege Football | WarrenNolan.com

2022 College Football ELO Strength of Schedule (SOS) Updated in REAL-TIME for Every Team at the Completion of Every Game.

www.warrennolan.com

I’ve seen 2021 sos for nd between 25-37

 

[indianamouse]

College Football Strength of Schedule Rankings

Strength of Schedule Played and Strength of Schedule Remaining for all 133 NCAA Division 1 Football teams.

powerrankingsguru.com

This one has us 48th in 2022 , next one 40th in 2022

ELO Strength of Schedule (SOS) - FBSCollege Football | WarrenNolan.com

2022 College Football ELO Strength of Schedule (SOS) Updated in REAL-TIME for Every Team at the Completion of Every Game.

www.warrennolan.com

I’ve seen 2021 sos for nd between 25-37

Now you are just fishing for sites that support your claim

 

[Crazy Balki]

Like I said, those are laughably and insanely flawed.

West Virginia ranks as the 2nd toughest schedule according to one site. But then the other site has them down all the way to 36.

Kansas is 5th on one, 29th on the other.

Ohio State is 11th on one, 31st on the other.

Texas Tech is 6th on one, 45th on the other.

Georgia is 3rd on one, 21st on the other.

The list goes on. There is far too much variance between results on these charts and their metrics to be taken seriously to measure legitimate strength of schedule.

One uses average opponent rank, which is based on their subjective ranking. The other uses opponent's win percentage, which while objective and factual, skews to teams with horrible records, because they are contributing more significantly to the overall win percentage.

For instance, Colorado had the 2nd toughest schedule based on win percentage with .6483 and 94-51. Compare that to ND's .5779 and 89-65 overall record. The problem is that Colorado contributed SIGNIFICANTLY more to that overall record, by virtue of going 1-11. So their opponent record/win percentage takes a MASSIVE nose-dive when you remove their contributions, to 83-50, a .6241 percentage.

Meanwhile, ND went 9-4, so that actually improves the percentage. Win record becomes 85-56, a .6028 percentage.

Yet, according to this measure, ND's SOS was 38 spots worse than Colorado's. When in reality, removing their contributions, we're talking barely over a 2% difference in overall win record. That percentage is the difference between 2nd and 6th or 7th, not 2nd and 40th.

So, yes, Colorado played a tougher schedule than ND, but not nearly a third of the sport better.

At the end of the day, how many games against winning teams did ND play in 2021? 4. How many did they play in 2022? 7. How many of those were away from Notre Dame. 2021? Just 1. 2022? 5.

Pretty simple to see that ND's road was significantly tougher in 2022 than 2021. I'll gladly take opening the season against a bad Florida State team and finishing the year with 7 games against non-winning teams over opening the year on the road against a playoff-bound Ohio State team and ending the year with 2 other NY6 bound teams.

 

[T-Boone]

Should have tried to bring Hartman in last year.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Should have tried to bring Hartman in last year.

That would probably have been a good idea if Hartman was actually in the portal or intended on transferring last year.

 

[Grahambo]

I am not a Drew Pyne fan but Drew Pyne was the best option for ND last season. Slovis and Daniels performed worse in almost every statistical category that matters.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Now you are just fishing for sites that support your claim

Feel free to show the bestest best site… or try googling and see how these are first to show up

 

[PutuporShutup]

Like I said, those are laughably and insanely flawed.

West Virginia ranks as the 2nd toughest schedule according to one site. But then the other site has them down all the way to 36.

Kansas is 5th on one, 29th on the other.

Ohio State is 11th on one, 31st on the other.

Texas Tech is 6th on one, 45th on the other.

Georgia is 3rd on one, 21st on the other.

The list goes on. There is far too much variance between results on these charts and their metrics to be taken seriously to measure legitimate strength of schedule.

One uses average opponent rank, which is based on their subjective ranking. The other uses opponent's win percentage, which while objective and factual, skews to teams with horrible records, because they are contributing more significantly to the overall win percentage.

For instance, Colorado had the 2nd toughest schedule based on win percentage with .6483 and 94-51. Compare that to ND's .5779 and 89-65 overall record. The problem is that Colorado contributed SIGNIFICANTLY more to that overall record, by virtue of going 1-11. So their opponent record/win percentage takes a MASSIVE nose-dive when you remove their contributions, to 83-50, a .6241 percentage.

Meanwhile, ND went 9-4, so that actually improves the percentage. Win record becomes 85-56, a .6028 percentage.

Yet, according to this measure, ND's SOS was 38 spots worse than Colorado's. When in reality, removing their contributions, we're talking barely over a 2% difference in overall win record. That percentage is the difference between 2nd and 6th or 7th, not 2nd and 40th.

So, yes, Colorado played a tougher schedule than ND, but not nearly a third of the sport better.

At the end of the day, how many games against winning teams did ND play in 2021? 4. How many did they play in 2022? 7. How many of those were away from Notre Dame. 2021? Just 1. 2022? 5.

Pretty simple to see that ND's road was significantly tougher in 2022 than 2021. I'll gladly take opening the season against a bad Florida State team and finishing the year with 7 games against non-winning teams over opening the year on the road against a playoff-bound Ohio State team and ending the year with 2 other NY6 bound teams.

So crazy mind says nd as one thing… websites with formulas say something else… trust crazy … yeah different formulas will make results Different… but common theme is 2022 easier than 21

The difference is how bad the bad teams in 22 were vs 21 … the only point you could argue statistically in these rankings is we got Virginia without Armstrong, that was lucky … we also got South Carolina missing half their team in 22

 

[Irishdrunk]

Whether Slovis, Daniels or Daniels would have been better misses the point. Bringing in another QB to compete for the job would make the room better.

 

[Ndaccountant]

So crazy mind says nd as one thing… websites with formulas say something else… trust crazy … yeah different formulas will make results Different… but common theme is 2022 easier than 21

The difference is how bad the bad teams in 22 were vs 21 … the only point you could argue statistically in these rankings is we got Virginia without Armstrong, that was lucky … we also got South Carolina missing half their team in 22

The ND team in 2021 was not beating OSU, Clemson, nor USC. The rest of the jibber jabber is irrelevant.

 

[stlnd01]

All this debate seems to ignore the fact that we lost our QB1 in the second game of the season.

Yes in hindsight of course It would have been better to have someone more physically-gifted than Pyne as a backup. But going into the season they believed in Buchner, at least enough not to take some mid transfer just to have another body.

We’re aware the exact same scenario could play out this season should something happen to Hartman, right? This year we took the transfer QB but lost the other two guys with experience and are left with no backup you can trust. At least Pyne had played some meaningful football in 2021.

 

[Grahambo]

Whether Slovis, Daniels or Daniels would have been better misses the point. Bringing in another QB to compete for the job would make the room better.

This is fair and I agree.

 

[T-Boone]

All this debate seems to ignore the fact that we lost our QB1 in the second game of the season.

Yes in hindsight of course It would have been better to have someone more physically-gifted than Pyne as a backup. But going into the season they believed in Buchner, at least enough not to take some mid transfer just to have another body.

We’re aware the exact same scenario could play out this season should something happen to Hartman, right? This year we took the transfer QB but lost the other two guys with experience and are left with no backup you can trust. At least Pyne had played some meaningful football in 2021.

I feel okay about angeli or the freshman

 

[stlnd01]

I feel okay about angeli or the freshman

I hope you’re right. I think Minchey could be a ballplayer. But if Hartman goes down in week two it’s gonna be a giant leap of faith here.

 

[PutuporShutup]

The ND team in 2021 was not beating OSU, Clemson, nor USC. The rest of the jibber jabber is irrelevant.

Huh, the 2021 team was better than 2022 in every statistic

Osu agree, Clemson usc I do not

 

[PutuporShutup]

All this debate seems to ignore the fact that we lost our QB1 in the second game of the season.

Yes in hindsight of course It would have been better to have someone more physically-gifted than Pyne as a backup. But going into the season they believed in Buchner, at least enough not to take some mid transfer just to have another body.

We’re aware the exact same scenario could play out this season should something happen to Hartman, right? This year we took the transfer QB but lost the other two guys with experience and are left with no backup you can trust. At least Pyne had played some meaningful football in 2021.

This year we have a shot.. we didn’t with Buchner or pyne, that was obvious before the season … you don’t take Slovis to be a backup you take him to compete for qb1

Buchner as qb1 was the worst qb we played since Andrew Hendrix

 

[Ndaccountant]

Huh, the 2021 team was better than 2022 in every statistic

Osu agree, Clemson usc I do not

The 2021 OL ranked 70th in the nation in average line yards compared to 11th in 2022. Aside from that proving your first point wrong, it highlights just how awful that line was in 2021. The game ND played against clemson in 2022 could never be replicated by the line in 2021. Nor could they replicate the special teams that set the tone. Polian sucked.

There is also no way ND scores nor runs enough to beat USC. You have some strange romanticism about the entirely average 2021 team.

 

[stlnd01]

This year we have a shot.. we didn’t with Buchner or pyne, that was obvious before the season … you don’t take Slovis to be a backup you take him to compete for qb1

Buchner as qb1 was the worst qb we played since Andrew Hendrix

Agree to disagree on Buchner. He was/is raw but very talented, and I get why we took a shot with him last year (also the level of transfer QBs you’re talking about don’t come here unless they’re the house favorite to win this “competition.”).
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Buchner starts a playoff game this season. We’d be far better off if he had stayed.

 

[Irish4life]

The 2021 OL ranked 70th in the nation in average line yards compared to 11th in 2022. Aside from that proving your first point wrong, it highlights just how awful that line was in 2021. The game ND played against clemson in 2022 could never be replicated by the line in 2021. Nor could they replicate the special teams that set the tone. Polian sucked.

There is also no way ND scores nor runs enough to beat USC. You have some strange romanticism about the entirely average 2021 team.

Because the QB play in 2021 was better, as was the skill position group

 

[T-Boone]

This year we have a shot.. we didn’t with Buchner or pyne, that was obvious before the season … you don’t take Slovis to be a backup you take him to compete for qb1

Buchner as qb1 was the worst qb we played since Andrew Hendrix

Rees thought we were a chance to win with Buchner or Pyne. Rees was the big mistake.

 

[T-Boone]

Anyway with Hartman and the offense this season should be good. If Sneed and someone on the d-line emerges it could be a great season.