Man City Wins EPL!

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This is where I always disconnect with Europe... who the hell cares if someone spends more... it's their freakin money, let them sink or swim... this fair play stuff is garbage, if Portsmouth can't stay afloat and others want to join them let them...

It's Man City's preogative... and Man U is still hypocrites... like they don't win from an almost purely financial advantage to begin with...

Completely agree, but the leveraged buyouts saddling the club with debt and putting said club into administration needs to be checked. Fleecing clubs is not acceptable. You can't debt-finance and then sheer the profits while piling up debt and leaving.

Also, when these benefactors get bored or don't want to sink their money into it anymore, these clubs have to return to living within their means. While the cash is flowing, enjoy it, because City needs to develop a fan base for long term viability. If you don't have a worldwide fanbase, you can forget keeping up with the big clubs in world football in the long run. Once the oil dollars stop, they'll return to a lower tier club. Their wage bill alone is higher than their revenue! Shocking. How long is the Sheik going to funnel the money in?
 

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Haha enjoy it, they deserve it, they played well all year and you should be happy. It's not going to last though, so get in your celebration while it's here. There is no long term financial planning to support this spending. If the Sheik can make you a global brand too, then you can really celebrate, because you'll be pissing off Manure forever. It will be great!

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“@SkySporIsNews: Alex Ferguson says Man City have bought the title. Cost of starting City team = £161m. Cost of starting United team = £169m. #MCFC #MUFC”
 

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“@SkySporIsNews: Alex Ferguson says Man City have bought the title. Cost of starting City team = £161m. Cost of starting United team = £169m. #MCFC #MUFC”

Pot.... meet kettle, and the kettle just kicked yo arse at your own game...
 

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“@SkySporIsNews: Alex Ferguson says Man City have bought the title. Cost of starting City team = £161m. Cost of starting United team = £169m. #MCFC #MUFC”

I wouldn't believe that for a minute, but okay. I mean, which XI players are they picking? City's is certainly higher overall, but what players they picked to support that stat would be telling. You don't just have a starting XI every week, you rotate, that's why they have a squad.

Is that from some random twitter using tweeting to Sky? I don't see it on Sky's twitter.
 

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On a side note logos for the premier teams in Europe should be added, Barca
 

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Haha enjoy it, they deserve it, they played well all year and you should be happy. It's not going to last though, so get in your celebration while it's here. There is no long term financial planning to support this spending. If the Sheik can make you a global brand too, then you can really celebrate, because you'll be pissing off Manure forever. It will be great!

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Not trying to stir up an argument, but (City fan) they most certainly have a long term financial plan. I dont mean to be disrespectful because you seem like a very knowledgeable sports fan(and human being) from what I have seen on here. However, im not sure you know what you're talking about here. Sheik Mansour and Khaldoon(chairman) have numerous times stated they are at the club for the long haul. City is already the biggest club in the middle east, and are becoming a bigger brand here in America. They also have a summer trip to Asia set up, which will only further their brand in arguably the most lucrative soccer continent on this planet. I enjoy the fact that we have some knowledgeable football(soccer) fans on this forum, but in my opinion you are very wrong on that city comment.
 

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Very true, other than Heitenga (sp?), I couldn't name another fullback for Oranje

Oh, and this
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Awesome. Regardless of your team, man did RVP have a season. Hope Arsenal keeps him. Grabbing Podolski should help.
 

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Not trying to stir up an argument, but (City fan) they most certainly have a long term financial plan. I dont mean to be disrespectful because you seem like a very knowledgeable sports fan(and human being) from what I have seen on here. However, im not sure you know what you're talking about here. Sheik Mansour and Khaldoon(chairman) have numerous times stated they are at the club for the long haul. City is already the biggest club in the middle east, and are becoming a bigger brand here in America. They also have a summer trip to Asia set up, which will only further their brand in arguably the most lucrative soccer continent on this planet. I enjoy the fact that we have some knowledgeable football(soccer) fans on this forum, but in my opinion you are very wrong on that city comment.

I think the point is this...2011 season - 143M Pounds spend on players coming in to the club, 20M Pounds gained on players leaving the club. 2012 season 77M Pounds spent on players coming in to the club, 27M Pounds gained on players leaving the club.

Champions league will make up for some of that, as will expanding the brand but that is 173M Pounds in the red for 2 SEASONS (and that doesn't even include player/coach salaries)! That financial model can't continue. City need to develop their reserve & youth academy in a hurry and develop their own players instead of paying twice the market for former Arsenal players. Either that or FFP eats them alive.
 

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I think the point is this...2011 season - 143M Pounds spend on players coming in to the club, 20M Pounds gained on players leaving the club. 2012 season 77M Pounds spent on players coming in to the club, 27M Pounds gained on players leaving the club.

Champions league will make up for some of that, as will expanding the brand but that is 173M Pounds in the red for 2 SEASONS (and that doesn't even include player/coach salaries)! That financial model can't continue. City need to develop their reserve & youth academy in a hurry and develop their own players instead of paying twice the market for former Arsenal players. Either that or FFP eats them alive.

This is a fair point, and there really is no argument against it. City has most certainly paid heavily to be apart of the Europe elite. The only thing that is worth mentioning is that if City wouldn't have spent heavily before FFP, then it is fair to conclude they would have never been able to compete at the top level of English and Europe. Also, City is building arguably the best youth development program in Europe. With world class facilities, and coaches. I have the utmost confidence that the Abu Dhabi owners who are some of the best business men in the world. They will make sure that City will always be able to compete in UEFA champions league.
 

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Not trying to stir up an argument, but (City fan) they most certainly have a long term financial plan. I dont mean to be disrespectful because you seem like a very knowledgeable sports fan(and human being) from what I have seen on here. However, im not sure you know what you're talking about here. Sheik Mansour and Khaldoon(chairman) have numerous times stated they are at the club for the long haul. City is already the biggest club in the middle east, and are becoming a bigger brand here in America. They also have a summer trip to Asia set up, which will only further their brand in arguably the most lucrative soccer continent on this planet. I enjoy the fact that we have some knowledgeable football(soccer) fans on this forum, but in my opinion you are very wrong on that city comment.

They have a long term plan, but they have no hope of getting those revenue streams up in such a short amount of time. Yes they are getting bigger, and the key may be the Middle East, but when you're looking at the richest clubs in world football, which is what Man City is spending like, they don't hold a candle to the top.

A trip to Asia is great, Liverpool and I think Spurs went last year. Liverpool is growing in America as well, and so are the rest of the established clubs, so in that regard, Man City is par for the course. Asia is huge, and there are already countries which have made up their minds, but China is the golden goose here. Soccer is not just coming to Asia, Liverpool has millions of supporters there already, as well as Arsenal, ManU, Serie A, and La Liga. Man City is starting 50+ years behind these clubs in terms of exposure and the building of a brand to rival big club worldwide.

I'm sorry if I offended you as a city fan, but those types of inroads aren't going to be built overnight. The Sheik has done a fantastic job, don't get me wrong, but City had better pray he can get the financial revenues in order quickly. You just don't grow revenues by hundreds of millions of pounds in such a short amount of time. Your wage bill alone, not factoring in anything else, is larger than your revenues! You can think I'm as wrong as you want, but you just can't turn that kind of profit in football that quickly. From a 2nd tier club to PL champions is amazing, but your fan base and marketing is the key. Look at your match day revenue.

"Manchester City are losing over £7,000,000 per home game and even more for every away game. How long is it until there is a financial meltdown at the Etihad? Will the financial problems be covered up in the present, as they have at Scottish club Rangers - to be uncovered by an unfortunate future generation? Sustainable finance has to be considered now to avoid the grim reality of these unanswered questions."

Sorry but economically, they don't have the match day revenue, global fan base, or demand for their product to grow their incomes to sustain spending. Sure they can hope to break into the new markets and be the dominant team in that nation, but it's highly unlikely. I could be wrong but the numbers point to me being correct.

If the Sheik can stay around for a few decades and bring several PL and CL titles, then maybe they'll be exposed enough to have a huge global following that can provide them with the revenues they require. The youth academy will be key, but again, they are behind all of the other established clubs already! Man City are not going to have a monopoly on youth development. It will help, but it's still not enough I'm sorry to say. I would like to say I hope they can get it done, but I would just be lying. Liverpool is having too much of a problem as it is.
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Sorry to say we agree to disagree. Enjoy your PL title though, you earned it! I screamed and jumped when Aguero hit that.
 
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They have a long term plan, but they have no hope of getting those revenue streams up in such a short amount of time. Yes they are getting bigger, and the key may be the Middle East, but when you're looking at the richest clubs in world football, which is what Man City is spending like, they don't hold a candle to the top.

A trip to Asia is great, Liverpool and I think Spurs went last year. Liverpool is growing in America as well, and so are the rest of the established clubs, so in that regard, Man City is par for the course. Asia is huge, and there are already countries which have made up their minds, but China is the golden goose here. Soccer is not just coming to Asia, Liverpool has millions of supporters there already, as well as Arsenal, ManU, Serie A, and La Liga. Man City is starting 50+ years behind these clubs in terms of exposure and the building of a brand to rival big club worldwide.

I'm sorry if I offended you as a city fan, but those types of inroads aren't going to be built overnight. The Sheik has done a fantastic job, don't get me wrong, but City had better pray he can get the financial revenues in order quickly. You just don't grow revenues by hundreds of millions of pounds in such a short amount of time. Your wage bill alone, not factoring in anything else, is larger than your revenues! You can think I'm as wrong as you want, but you just can't turn that kind of profit in football that quickly. From a 2nd tier club to PL champions is amazing, but your fan base and marketing is the key. Look at your match day revenue.

"Manchester City are losing over £7,000,000 per home game and even more for every away game. How long is it until there is a financial meltdown at the Etihad? Will the financial problems be covered up in the present, as they have at Scottish club Rangers - to be uncovered by an unfortunate future generation? Sustainable finance has to be considered now to avoid the grim reality of these unanswered questions."

Sorry but economically, they don't have the match day revenue, global fan base, or demand for their product to grow their incomes to sustain spending. Sure they can hope to break into the new markets and be the dominant team in that nation, but it's highly unlikely. I could be wrong but the numbers point to me being correct.

If the Sheik can stay around for a few decades and bring several PL and CL titles, then maybe they'll be exposed enough to have a huge global following that can provide them with the revenues they require. The youth academy will be key, but again, they are behind all of the other established clubs already! Man City are not going to have a monopoly on youth development. It will help, but it's still not enough I'm sorry to say. I would like to say I hope they can get it done, but I would just be lying. Liverpool is having too much of a problem as it is.
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Sorry to say we agree to disagree. Enjoy your PL title though, you earned it! I screamed and jumped when Aguero hit that.

Agree to disagree is my only response. Im not going to go through and refute these points you have made because I dont see the point. The only thing I will say is that I find it hard to believe some of the best business men on this world would not know what they're doing.

If the Abu Dhabi owners leave then yes of course more than likely City would fall to the same fate as Rangers, Portsmouth, or Leeds United. But, I dont see any reason why he would leave. He has already started a huge project within Manchester the "Etihad Campus" We just won a PL title, and look set to challenge for Europe next year. I understand the fact that City are losing revenue at historically high rates, but once again I believe it is just part of the owners plan. City was already the 13th richest "football club" on the planet is 2011 with $433 million. This number will only increase, and dont see any reason why City won't become a bigger club globally then Liverpool, Arsenal, and Chelsea within the next five years. I know you wont agree with this, but well just have to disagree on that one.
 

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Agree to disagree is my only response. Im not going to go through and refute these points you have made because I dont see the point. The only thing I will say is that I find it hard to believe some of the best business men on this world would not know what they're doing.

If the Abu Dhabi owners leave then yes of course more than likely City would fall to the same fate as Rangers, Portsmouth, or Leeds United. But, I dont see any reason why he would leave. He has already started a huge project within Manchester the "Etihad Campus" We just won a PL title, and look set to challenge for Europe next year. I understand the fact that City are losing revenue at historically high rates, but once again I believe it is just part of the owners plan. City was already the 13th richest "football club" on the planet is 2011 with $433 million. This number will only increase, and dont see any reason why City won't become a bigger club globally then Liverpool, Arsenal, and Chelsea within the next five years. I know you wont agree with this, but well just have to disagree on that one.

Perfectly fine but those figures for them being rich is because of the influx of cash from the Sheik. Etihad Airways and the naming rights for the stadium was £400 million, not because of revenue due to shirt sales and match day. He has come up with interesting ways to inject cash, but they still don't make it on match day and through merchandise, sponsorships, etc. And that is what you need because UEFA has said they won't allow it, which I think is total bullshit. Their plan is brilliant, but they are still just using their own money to grossly inflate those figures.

Just for an example, go to Facebook and look at the "likes" of some big EPL clubs. Obviously this isn't about the financials, but it's about appeal and the demand for Manchester City F.C. They have 2.6 million likes on Facebook. Liverpool, which finished 8th in the league has 9.2 million likes. ManU has 24 million likes. You need fans to buy your merchandise, and to get the best sponsorship deals, that's how it works. Man City needs to grow their fanbase, because aside from the Sheik's money, they don't have the revenue streams. They're growing it, but at the end of the day they need a global demand, and that doesn't happen quickly. They are great businessmen and they will figure out terrific ways to infuse the Sheik's money into Man City within FFP, I don't doubt that. But they have no hope for long term sustainability unless they get more fans and create more demand. You don't build a football club in a few years.
 
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Not trying to stir up an argument, but (City fan) they most certainly have a long term financial plan. I dont mean to be disrespectful because you seem like a very knowledgeable sports fan(and human being) from what I have seen on here. However, im not sure you know what you're talking about here. Sheik Mansour and Khaldoon(chairman) have numerous times stated they are at the club for the long haul. City is already the biggest club in the middle east, and are becoming a bigger brand here in America. They also have a summer trip to Asia set up, which will only further their brand in arguably the most lucrative soccer continent on this planet. I enjoy the fact that we have some knowledgeable football(soccer) fans on this forum, but in my opinion you are very wrong on that city comment.

In regards to popularity, ManU is still king of the hill, this will never change. Also, as I mentioned on the City thread, it takes more than a Sugar Daddy to consistently win the EPL and in Europe.

There was a time in Asia that the only English they knew was Manchester United and George Best.........
 
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LOL.......of course United spend to win, all the big clubs do but if you can't develop and manage the players you buy with that money it's a lost cause. Look at Real Madrid for the last 10 years (minus the last two), how about Inter Milan who are cash fat, Chelsea's dipping form? I'll buy in to City when they can consistently win trophies, until then the juries still out.
 

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In regards to popularity, ManU is still king of the hill, this will never change. Also, as I mentioned on the City thread, it takes more than a Sugar Daddy to consistently win the EPL and in Europe.

There was a time in Asia that the only English they knew was Manchester United and George Best.........

Well to be fair nowhere did I say United isn't top dog, this is obvious. What I said is that City's popularity is growing substantially, and it is arguably the most supported team in the Middle East now because of the ABU Dhabi owners influence in the area. Also im pretty sure Chelsea has been doing just fine with a Sugar Daddy for the past ten years, and I would say City's Mansour is ten times the owner Abramovich is. But obviously im looking through "sky blue" tinted glasses. Congrats on the Scudetto, I hope City and Juventus dont fall in the same pool for champions league.
 

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Well to be fair nowhere did I say United isn't top dog, this is obvious. What I said is that City's popularity is growing substantially, and it is arguably the most supported team in the Middle East now because of the ABU Dhabi owners influence in the area. Also im pretty sure Chelsea has been doing just fine with a Sugar Daddy for the past ten years, and I would say City's Mansour is ten times the owner Abramovich is. But obviously im looking through "sky blue" tinted glasses. Congrats on the Scudetto, I hope City and Juventus dont fall in the same pool for champions league.

Thanks........it's been a long and hard road since "Calciopoli", we had to endure the wrath of the Italian football federation because of one man's stupidity. Great to see "The Old Lady" back at her winning ways and in Europe where they belong.
 

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Perfectly fine but those figures for them being rich is because of the influx of cash from the Sheik. Etihad Airways and the naming rights for the stadium was £400 million, not because of revenue due to shirt sales and match day. He has come up with interesting ways to inject cash, but they still don't make it on match day and through merchandise, sponsorships, etc. And that is what you need because UEFA has said they won't allow it, which I think is total bullshit. Their plan is brilliant, but they are still just using their own money to grossly inflate those figures.

Just for an example, go to Facebook and look at the "likes" of some big EPL clubs. Obviously this isn't about the financials, but it's about appeal and the demand for Manchester City F.C. They have 2.6 million likes on Facebook. Liverpool, which finished 8th in the league has 9.2 million likes. ManU has 24 million likes. You need fans to buy your merchandise, and to get the best sponsorship deals, that's how it works. Man City needs to grow their fanbase, because aside from the Sheik's money, they don't have the revenue streams. They're growing it, but at the end of the day they need a global demand, and that doesn't happen quickly. They are great businessmen and they will figure out terrific ways to infuse the Sheik's money into Man City within FFP, I don't doubt that. But they have no hope for long term sustainability unless they get more fans and create more demand. You don't build a football club in a few years.

Well to honest, I dont see why this cant happen. Chelsea was taken over in 2003 by Abramovich. Now of course they had already qualified for champions league before the take over, so he started in a better position then Mansour did with City. However, is it not fair to say Chelsea within 5-7 years was already a top 5-7 club globally? I mean in America I see many more Chelsea fans then I do pool fans, and three summers ago Chelsea fans packed out M&T bank for a friendly vs Milan which was very impressive. I would be lying to you if I sat here and said I wasn't worried about the amount of money being played around with for City. However, like I have stated. I just find it hard to believe these fine business men from the Middle East. Who have been educated in are great higher education system, would be running a billion dollar investment into the ground. Although only time will tell, like everything else in life.
 

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Firstly, CTIAndrew, I'm finished trying to make you see any sort of reason, enjoy City's successes.

Stevie G is Captain for the Euros!!

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Liverpool sacked King Kenny!


I understand 8th isn't good enough with such a huge investment, but sacking the King was ****ing ballsy. I think it shows great intent, that they want to win at all costs, but they had better get a huge name to manage LFC because people are pissed they sacked the legend of LFC. He's up there with Shanks and Paisley! FSG better astound us this offseason because we have no one in our key positions heading into the transfer window.
 
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Firstly, CTIAndrew, I'm finished trying to make you see any sort of reason, enjoy City's successes.

Stevie G is Captain for the Euros!!

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Liverpool sacked King Kenny!


I understand 8th isn't good enough with such a huge investment, but sacking the King was ****ing ballsy. I think it shows great intent, that they want to win at all costs, but they had better get a huge name to manage LFC because people are pissed they sacked the legend of LFC. He's up there with Shanks and Paisley! FSG better astound us this offseason because we have no one in our key positions heading into the transfer window.

Yeah, i'm not sure I understand this one. Didn't they just extend his contract for 3 years recently? 8th is definitely unacceptable though. I like the signings, but we definitely overpaid.
 

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Yeah, i'm not sure I understand this one. Didn't they just extend his contract for 3 years recently? 8th is definitely unacceptable though. I like the signings, but we definitely overpaid.

Yes he got a three year contract, but FSG feels like they got mugged when they outlaid over £100 million pounds last summer and finished worse than the season before. We grossly overpaid and buying British utterly failed. They were not good enough. Our performances have not been encouraging, and we totally collapsed the second half of the season. We were relegation form since the new year. So I completely understand why they did it, but they need a huge signing to stop the backlash that will be coming from Merseyside. One simply does not sack the living legend of Liverpool.

I understand and to a certain extent agree, but there are some pissed off Scousers on the official forums and we have no CEO, no DOF, MD, team Dr, and a host of other positions. So while it sends a signal that they value winning over anything else, they better get the club in order so we can be a force in the transfer market. A quality coach signing is needed after the King. If they hire Roberto Martinez, it's a lateral move and the fans will murder them. Pep, Rafa, and maybe AVB but it has to happen fast.
 
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Yes he got a three year contract, but FSG feels like they got mugged when they outlaid over £100 million pounds last summer and finished worse than the season before. We grossly overpaid and buying British utterly failed. They were not good enough. Our performances have not been encouraging, and we totally collapsed the second half of the season. We were relegation form since the new year. So I completely understand why they did it, but they need a huge signing to stop the backlash that will be coming from Merseyside. One simply does not sack the living legend of Liverpool.

I understand and to a certain extent agree, but there are some pissed off Scousers on the official forums and we have no CEO, no DOF, MD, team Dr, and a host of other positions. So while it sends a signal that they value winning over anything else, they better get the club in order so we can be a force in the transfer market. A quality coach signing is needed after the King. If they hire Roberto Martinez, it's a lateral move and the fans will murder them. Pep, Rafa, and maybe AVB but it has to happen fast.

I completely agree on all points. I suffered big time after that Arsenal loss. My best friend is a New Castle fan too....Never hear the ened of it.... "Thanks for the $38 mil... blah blah..." "Hows Caroll and Enrique doing"

I want Pep. Rafa might work since the youth academy is all his anyways and he has better front office since the two shitheads before FSG... I dont think AVB has Premiership qualities at this time, though I like his style.
 

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I completely agree on all points. I suffered big time after that Arsenal loss. My best friend is a New Castle fan too....Never hear the ened of it.... "Thanks for the $38 mil... blah blah..." "Hows Caroll and Enrique doing"

I want Pep. Rafa might work since the youth academy is all his anyways and he has better front office since the two shitheads before FSG... I dont think AVB has Premiership qualities at this time, though I like his style.

I agree with all of those. Pep would be huge for player recruitment. Absolutely huge, we could attract big names even without the lure of Cl footie. I say Rafa because we were a ****ing force in Europe with him in charge, and he had to sell to buy and got no investment from the last ****s who owned our club. I'm just giddy with excitement thinking of the team he could build with £100 million. I say AVB because he fits FSG's model of a young manager who could be here for awhile to implement his vision. He got sacked at Chelsea, but it's Chelsea. Also, the old players kind of turned on him. Maybe add Fabio to the list, but I just think it has to be a huge manager to take the sting away from the King.
 
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I agree with all of those. Pep would be huge for player recruitment. Absolutely huge, we could attract big names even without the lure of Cl footie. I say Rafa because we were a ****ing force in Europe with him in charge, and he had to sell to buy and got no investment from the last ****s who owned our club. I'm just giddy with excitement thinking of the team he could build with £100 million. I say AVB because he fits FSG's model of a young manager who could be here for awhile to implement his vision. He got sacked at Chelsea, but it's Chelsea. Also, the old players kind of turned on him. Maybe add Fabio to the list, but I just think it has to be a huge manager to take the sting away from the King.

I got to admit though I did question some of the king's lineup choices. There were several times Maxi and Kuyt (on the bench) who would have run roughshod while he had Henderson out wide with Adam and Spearing as DMs and Suarez along up front. I know you got to play your signings but Henderson is basically Stevie G and has no business outwide. Downing has to play wide but Maxi killed it everytime he played.... THere were many fixtures I shook my head at the line up. The low point was when Carragher was playing DM in front of the back line.......I think it was FA cup or Carling cup, but still....
 

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I got to admit though I did question some of the king's lineup choices. There were several times Maxi and Kuyt (on the bench) who would have run roughshod while he had Henderson out wide with Adam and Spearing as DMs and Suarez along up front. I know you got to play your signings but Henderson is basically Stevie G and has no business outwide. Downing has to play wide but Maxi killed it everytime he played.... THere were many fixtures I shook my head at the line up. The low point was when Carragher was playing DM in front of the back line.......I think it was FA cup or Carling cup, but still....

I know, it's been maddening. We had an experienced front line last year with Suarez, Maxi, Kuyt, and Meireles playing great pass and move football. We then plugged Carrol, Downing and Henderson in there with Suarez and it's been atrocious. Even when Andy did well Kenny benched him so he couldn't find form. He's not worth what we paid, but he may be eventually. He's unplayable when he's in form. Leaving Andy out of the the F.A. Cup final was a shocker. We needed him to bully Chelsea's CBs and when he came on we took it to them. Starting Jay, and then persisting in playing him after half caused us to leak another goal, which we didn't come back from. I love the King, but he was always late or wrong with his subs, and it looks like the modern game has passed him by. I'm almost ashamed to say it but that's how I feel. I think this is the right move, but I never wanted to admit it, nor did I think they'd have the balls to sack Kenny. Now that it's come to pass I'm very on edge about the whole thing, because as much as it was done to save the club and get us back in the CL, if they **** it up, we will be starting over, again.
 
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I know, it's been maddening. We had an experienced front line last year with Suarez, Maxi, Kuyt, and Meireles playing great pass and move football. We then plugged Carrol, Downing and Henderson in there with Suarez and it's been atrocious. Even when Andy did well Kenny benched him so he couldn't find form. He's not worth what we paid, but he may be eventually. He's unplayable when he's in form. Leaving Andy out of the the F.A. Cup final was a shocker. We needed him to bully Chelsea's CBs and when he came on we took it to them. Starting Jay, and then persisting in playing him after half caused us to leak another goal, which we didn't come back from. I love the King, but he was always late or wrong with his subs, and it looks like the modern game has passed him by. I'm almost ashamed to say it but that's how I feel. I think this is the right move, but I never wanted to admit it, nor did I think they'd have the balls to sack Kenny. Now that it's come to pass I'm very on edge about the whole thing, because as much as it was done to save the club and get us back in the CL, if they **** it up, we will be starting over, again.

I hate we sold Mierles. He was a fav of mine. I could on forever about this. We may have to start a Liverpool FC WTF thread.
 

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I hate we sold Mierles. He was a fav of mine. I could on forever about this. We may have to start a Liverpool FC WTF thread.

Haha yea, Mods can move our convo to its own thread if they would like.

I liked Raul as well, but Kenny didn't want to give him a pay raise that was agreed upon in his contract. He was making peanuts, and Kenny thought we didn't need him since we brought in Adam and Henderson.
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Haha yea, Mods can move our convo to its own thread if they would like.

I liked Raul as well, but Kenny didn't want to give him a pay raise that was agreed upon in his contract. He was making peanuts, and Kenny thought we didn't need him since we brought in Adam and Henderson.
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FAIL. The only Hodgson signing I was excited about. Konchesky? Paulsen? OMG it hurts thinking about the last three years..... Its like ND Football since 1996.....
 
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