Kobe Bryant Dies in Helicopter crash

[Irish#1]

I know this really isn't the place, but. Kobe was accused and If I remember correctly the person who accused him was looking for money... .

Took place in Colorado in 2003. I don't think she was looking for money by the chain of events as she brought it directly to the authorities. He was actually going to go to trial until the girl refused to be a witness, then a settlement was reached with the girl with both parties not allowed to discuss the terms of the agreement.

Here's a couple of recent articles.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion...0200128-zdpjzvgxlna2zocl3bbztzjfjy-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/sports/basketball/kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

A reporter from the Washington Post was suspended for tweeting out about the assault. The ironic thing is this. According to Clay Travis, the NY Times criticized the Post and reporter for tweeting that, but they turn around and publish the above article.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

In my family, I was the Jordan-era kid and my younger brother was the Kobe-era kid. I never truly rooted for Kobe, but I always respected 1) his game, obviously 2) his intelligence 3) his work ethic 4) his ability to learn and grow as a man.

My heart still aches for this loss and I think the main reason I feel such sorrow is because of Gianna. As a father, I can't imagine being in that situation, feeling helpless and unable to protect your terrified little girl from what was likely the inevitable. I truly hope it was sudden/unexpected and fast, for their sake.

Prayers to the Bryant family. Their lives forever changed.

41 is too young for anyone, much less a superstar who had just recently retired and was living his best life with his family while still working his ass off daily. He impacted so many lives globally.

For me, this one stings more than any other loss that I can remember. The Dale Earnhardt crash was awfully tragic and I can list a ton of others, but how many included their child? That's what is keeping me awake at night.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Took place in Colorado in 2003. I don't think she was looking for money by the chain of events as she brought it directly to the authorities. He was actually going to go to trial until the girl refused to be a witness, then a settlement was reached with the girl with both parties not allowed to discuss the terms of the agreement.

Here's a couple of recent articles.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion...0200128-zdpjzvgxlna2zocl3bbztzjfjy-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/sports/basketball/kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

A reporter from the Washington Post was suspended for tweeting out about the assault. The ironic thing is this. According to Clay Travis, the NY Times criticized the Post and reporter for tweeting that, but they turn around and publish the above article.

I think she actually got suspended for tweeting a photo that included a company email or something, right? Not because she tweeted about Kobe's past.

 

[Irish#1]

I think she actually got suspended for tweeting a photo that included a company email or something, right? Not because she tweeted about Kobe's past.

Just found the tweet with pic here. Doesn't appear the pic had anything to do with it. There might be more.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nsion-felicia-sonmez-over-kobe-bryant-tweets/

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Just found the tweet with pic here. Doesn't appear the pic had anything to do with it. There might be more.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nsion-felicia-sonmez-over-kobe-bryant-tweets/

Thanks.

Maybe I'm confusing it with something else.

Either way, sad day all around.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Im going to post this knowing it will probably be met with quite a share of negative thoughts, whether they are posted or not.

76 people in my city died on January 26, 2020. Would anyone care for me to list them? Most were simple people who lived a simple life supporting the backbone of our country. They had families, paid their taxes and lived the best life that they could.

Is anyone outside of their city mourning them? Is their death on the cover of magazines and webpages? Are celebrities mourning them?

Right. Because they arent multimillionaire flying around in personal helicopters after living years jet-setting the globe and getting huge contacts to shoot a basketball. Something so life changing and important as playing a game.

Kobe lead an extremely good life. Ive read reports that he was a devout Catholic. I sure hope he had an intimate relationship with the Lord otherwise all that fame and fortune wont be doing him any good come Jan 27, 2020.

So maybe we as a society need to think about what is really important and what is not?

#flameaway

 

[ulukinatme]

Others that would stop the world: Obama, Jordan, LBJ, Tiger & Tyson.

Obama's death will be a solemn and tragic occasion just as it is any time a former President dies, but would it stand out more than any other former head? I struggle to think of any momentous or defining occasion during either of his terms that would set him apart from any other commander in chief short of being the first African American to be elected. I think between Obama and his predecssor, George W. Bush, GW will stir more emotions. I will always remember this moment when I think of 9/11:

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A horrible event, but I triggered a unifying movement that brought this country together more than any other. I can't think of any other global event that has had such an impact over the last 37 years of my life, and I hope we never have to go through such an event again. Those lasting impressions will always stick with me, and I'll always remember the 43rd for the way he responded to that dark day.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Im going to post this knowing it will probably be met with quite a share of negative thoughts, whether they are posted or not.

76 people in my city died on January 26, 2020. Would anyone care for me to list them? Most were simple people who lived a simple life supporting the backbone of our country. They had families, paid their taxes and lived the best life that they could.

Is anyone outside of their city mourning them? Is their death on the cover of magazines and webpages? Are celebrities mourning them?

Right. Because they arent multimillionaire flying around in personal helicopters after living years jet-setting the globe and getting huge contacts to shoot a basketball. Something so life changing and important as playing a game.

Kobe lead an extremely good life. Ive read reports that he was a devout Catholic. I sure hope he had an intimate relationship with the Lord otherwise all that fame and fortune wont be doing him any good come Jan 27, 2020.

So maybe we as a society need to think about what is really important and what is not?

#flameaway

The ignorance of this post is mind boggling. I'll leave it at that.

 

[IrishLax]

The Kobe rape case was, is, and always has been sketchy. Whenever someone says "I consented to this, but not that..." it's obviously complicated. It's possible to believe that Kobe reasonably believed it was a consensual encounter and that she didn't say "no", and also that she did not want to go past fondling and did not consent to the rough sex. By definition, that's rape. In actuality, it was extremely unlikely that Kobe would have been convicted.

 

[calvegas04]

Im going to post this knowing it will probably be met with quite a share of negative thoughts, whether they are posted or not.

76 people in my city died on January 26, 2020. Would anyone care for me to list them? Most were simple people who lived a simple life supporting the backbone of our country. They had families, paid their taxes and lived the best life that they could.

Is anyone outside of their city mourning them? Is their death on the cover of magazines and webpages? Are celebrities mourning them?

Right. Because they arent multimillionaire flying around in personal helicopters after living years jet-setting the globe and getting huge contacts to shoot a basketball. Something so life changing and important as playing a game.

Kobe lead an extremely good life. Ive read reports that he was a devout Catholic. I sure hope he had an intimate relationship with the Lord otherwise all that fame and fortune wont be doing him any good come Jan 27, 2020.

So maybe we as a society need to think about what is really important and what is not?

#flameaway

You should think about deleting this post

 

[Wingman Ray]

You should think about deleting this post

Maybe you should think.

 

[greyhammer90]

Im going to post this knowing it will probably be met with quite a share of negative thoughts, whether they are posted or not.

76 people in my city died on January 26, 2020. Would anyone care for me to list them? Most were simple people who lived a simple life supporting the backbone of our country. They had families, paid their taxes and lived the best life that they could.

Is anyone outside of their city mourning them? Is their death on the cover of magazines and webpages? Are celebrities mourning them?

Right. Because they arent multimillionaire flying around in personal helicopters after living years jet-setting the globe and getting huge contacts to shoot a basketball. Something so life changing and important as playing a game.

Kobe lead an extremely good life. Ive read reports that he was a devout Catholic. I sure hope he had an intimate relationship with the Lord otherwise all that fame and fortune wont be doing him any good come Jan 27, 2020.

So maybe we as a society need to think about what is really important and what is not?

#flameaway

This post is helpful in clarifying your opinions elsewhere on this board and classifying your personality. It shows that you probably have the emotional intelligence of an adolescent. "A celebrity is no more valuable than an average person, I don't see why people are more upset about Kobe than John Smith dying in a car crash" is such a non-unique, purposefully obtuse, 14 year old nihilist's position that I'm shocked you didn't cut yourself on your own edge. I bet you're fun at football games. "Yes, people cheer when Claypool scores, but what of the factory worker who provides to his children? Is he not also entitled to the exaltation of the mob?" What a tool.

 

[Irish#1]

Obama's death will be a solemn and tragic occasion just as it is any time a former President dies, but would it stand out more than any other former head? I struggle to think of any momentous or defining occasion during either of his terms that would set him apart from any other commander in chief short of being the first African American to be elected. I think between Obama and his predecssor, George W. Bush, GW will stir more emotions. I will always remember this moment when I think of 9/11:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/x7OCgMPX2mE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

A horrible event, but I triggered a unifying movement that brought this country together more than any other. I can't think of any other global event that has had such an impact over the last 37 years of my life, and I hope we never have to go through such an event again. Those lasting impressions will always stick with me, and I'll always remember the 43rd for the way he responded to that dark day.

I don't think any death will have the impact of JFK's. I was 11 at the time. I still remember the impact on everyone and the way people struggled to get a grip on the situation. School was different. It lingered for quite a while. Those my age or older would probably agree. OMM would have an adults perspective.

 

[greyhammer90]

Maybe you should think.

Holy crap he might actually be 14 guys.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Im going to post this knowing it will probably be met with quite a share of negative thoughts, whether they are posted or not.

76 people in my city died on January 26, 2020. Would anyone care for me to list them? Most were simple people who lived a simple life supporting the backbone of our country. They had families, paid their taxes and lived the best life that they could.

Is anyone outside of their city mourning them? Is their death on the cover of magazines and webpages? Are celebrities mourning them?

Right. Because they arent multimillionaire flying around in personal helicopters after living years jet-setting the globe and getting huge contacts to shoot a basketball. Something so life changing and important as playing a game.

Kobe lead an extremely good life. Ive read reports that he was a devout Catholic. I sure hope he had an intimate relationship with the Lord otherwise all that fame and fortune wont be doing him any good come Jan 27, 2020.

So maybe we as a society need to think about what is really important and what is not?

#flameaway

I don't have a problem with your post at all. I agree with you. I'm bothered by our society's obsession with celebrities. Virtually none of the people around the country who are crying and wailing, seeking grief counseling, or spending ridiculous amounts of money on flowers to place on a memorial actually knew Kobe. They're just wanting to feel like part of something bigger than themselves and be emotionally connected to a moment they aren't actually part of. It's silly. Spend that money feeding a hungry family or buying a coat for a poor kid. Put that emotional energy into connecting with your own family or friends. Worry as much about, as you point out, Joe Average who passed away in relative obscurity.

Nothing wrong with remembering a celebrity and appreciating their talent in music, sports, acting, etc. and the fact that it may have impacted your life in some small way, but this whole "I'm heartbroken about somebody I didn't even know" crap is silly. Connect with the actual people in your world and around you and show that much concern about them.

 

[Irish#1]

The Kobe rape case was, is, and always has been sketchy. Whenever someone says "I consented to this, but not that..." it's obviously complicated. It's possible to believe that Kobe reasonably believed it was a consensual encounter and that she didn't say "no", and also that she did not want to go past fondling and did not consent to the rough sex. By definition, that's rape. In actuality, it was extremely unlikely that Kobe would have been convicted.

Yeah, per police records she consented to kissing, but that's where they disagree. She was tested the following morning. "[The nurse] stated that the injuries were consistent with penetrating genital trauma. That it’s not consistent with consensual sex.”

This is the article the suspended reporter was referencing in her tweet.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-...ce-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession

 

[GowerND11]

Here's the thing. People have a sense of connection with a celebrity, athlete, etc. So when they die, they feel a sense of sadness (natural) because they have fond memories of said famous person. That doesn't trivialize other deaths of the non-famous, it just means the other person reached more people in life.

Whenever someone posts dumb shit like this, as others mentioned, you are just looking to show how edgy and "woke" you are. It's weak and sad.

 

[GreenGemsOmally]

It's all in your perspective and your preference in sports. I'm not a golf fan, but know about Tiger's records and infidelity. Even though I follow a lot of sports, I don't know who these people are.

Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are two of the world's most famous soccer players. Arguably two of the best players of all time. Either of them dying would be absolutely be shellshocking throughout all of the planet, even moreso than Kobe's death here I think.

 

[calvegas04]

Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are two of the world's most famous soccer players. Arguably two of the best players of all time. Either of them dying would be absolutely be shellshocking throughout all of the planet, even moreso than Kobe's death here I think.

I agree outside of the US their passing may and most likely would be bigger

 

[NDRock]

I don't have a problem with your post at all. I agree with you. I'm bothered by our society's obsession with celebrities. Virtually none of the people around the country who are crying and wailing, seeking grief counseling, or spending ridiculous amounts of money on flowers to place on a memorial actually knew Kobe. They're just wanting to feel like part of something bigger than themselves and be emotionally connected to a moment they aren't actually part of. It's silly. Spend that money feeding a hungry family or buying a coat for a poor kid. Put that emotional energy into connecting with your own family or friends. Worry as much about, as you point out, Joe Average who passed away in relative obscurity.

Nothing wrong with remembering a celebrity and appreciating their talent in music, sports, acting, etc. and the fact that it may have impacted your life in some small way, but this whole "I'm heartbroken about somebody I didn't even know" crap is silly. Connect with the actual people in your world and around you and show that much concern about them.

It does get obsessive, someone on here literally started a RIP thread for celebrities. Crazy.

 

[calvegas04]

I don't have a problem with your post at all. I agree with you. I'm bothered by our society's obsession with celebrities. Virtually none of the people around the country who are crying and wailing, seeking grief counseling, or spending ridiculous amounts of money on flowers to place on a memorial actually knew Kobe. They're just wanting to feel like part of something bigger than themselves and be emotionally connected to a moment they aren't actually part of. It's silly. Spend that money feeding a hungry family or buying a coat for a poor kid. Put that emotional energy into connecting with your own family or friends. Worry as much about, as you point out, Joe Average who passed away in relative obscurity.

Nothing wrong with remembering a celebrity and appreciating their talent in music, sports, acting, etc. and the fact that it may have impacted your life in some small way, but this whole "I'm heartbroken about somebody I didn't even know" crap is silly. Connect with the actual people in your world and around you and show that much concern about them.

How were you when Paul Bryant died? Will you be sad when Saban passed or will it just be another person passing away to you?

 

[NDRock]

Im going to post this knowing it will probably be met with quite a share of negative thoughts, whether they are posted or not.

76 people in my city died on January 26, 2020. Would anyone care for me to list them? Most were simple people who lived a simple life supporting the backbone of our country. They had families, paid their taxes and lived the best life that they could.

Is anyone outside of their city mourning them? Is their death on the cover of magazines and webpages? Are celebrities mourning them?

Right. Because they arent multimillionaire flying around in personal helicopters after living years jet-setting the globe and getting huge contacts to shoot a basketball. Something so life changing and important as playing a game.

Kobe lead an extremely good life. Ive read reports that he was a devout Catholic. I sure hope he had an intimate relationship with the Lord otherwise all that fame and fortune wont be doing him any good come Jan 27, 2020.

So maybe we as a society need to think about what is really important and what is not?

#flameaway

People are mourning Kobe because they have a connection with him. I'm a couple years older than him so I've watched his entire career. I remember his press conference when he announced he was going straight to the NBA. I've watched hundred of hours of him playing basketball and I'm Celtics fan. I even knew about his daughter and how good she was. Of course it's going to be more "impactful" than any of the 76 people you said died. I had never met or heard of any of them. I'm not sure why people expect everyone to treat every death the same. That's not reality.

 

[gkIrish]

I don't have a problem with your post at all. I agree with you. I'm bothered by our society's obsession with celebrities. Virtually none of the people around the country who are crying and wailing, seeking grief counseling, or spending ridiculous amounts of money on flowers to place on a memorial actually knew Kobe. They're just wanting to feel like part of something bigger than themselves and be emotionally connected to a moment they aren't actually part of. It's silly. Spend that money feeding a hungry family or buying a coat for a poor kid. Put that emotional energy into connecting with your own family or friends. Worry as much about, as you point out, Joe Average who passed away in relative obscurity.

Nothing wrong with remembering a celebrity and appreciating their talent in music, sports, acting, etc. and the fact that it may have impacted your life in some small way, but this whole "I'm heartbroken about somebody I didn't even know" crap is silly. Connect with the actual people in your world and around you and show that much concern about them.

First of all your premise is based on the assumption that people aren't sad or heartbroken about random tragedies that kill random people. That's totally false. Think about the Sandy Hook massacre and the nationwide grief. The same day Kobe died a local couple and their young child were shot to death about 3 miles from my house. I didn't know them but I felt sadness and heartbreak for those people, too. The difference is that we often don't even know what people like that look like, the sound of their voice, or anything about their lives. Celebrities have a much stronger connection to most people because we have actual memories associated with them.

I've "spent more time" with Kobe Bryant than with 75% of the people I have met in my life. That being said, I'm mostly sad for the daughter and just the tragedy of the situation in general. But telling people what should or shouldn't make them sad is pretty silly, if you ask me. It's like you're saying "if you aren't going to grieve for everyone, don't bother." Should we assume you felt nothing for the kids at Sandy Hook because you didn't know them and you choose to spend your emotional energy on people you actually know?

 

[ThePiombino]

First of all your premise is based on the assumption that people aren't sad or heartbroken about random tragedies that kill random people. That's totally false. Think about the Sandy Hook massacre and the nationwide grief. The same day Kobe died a local couple and their young child were shot to death about 3 miles from my house. I didn't know them but I felt sadness and heartbreak for those people, too. The difference is that we often don't even know what people like that look like, the sound of their voice, or anything about their lives. Celebrities have a much stronger connection to most people because we have actual memories associated with them.

I've "spent more time" with Kobe Bryant than with 75% of the people I have met in my life. That being said, I'm mostly sad for the daughter and just the tragedy of the situation in general. But telling people what should or shouldn't make them sad is pretty silly, if you ask me. It's like you're saying "if you aren't going to grieve for everyone, don't bother." Should we assume you felt nothing for the kids at Sandy Hook because you didn't know them and you choose to spend your emotional energy on people you actually know?

Nailed it.

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[Irishnuke]

Im going to post this knowing it will probably be met with quite a share of negative thoughts, whether they are posted or not.

76 people in my city died on January 26, 2020. Would anyone care for me to list them? Most were simple people who lived a simple life supporting the backbone of our country. They had families, paid their taxes and lived the best life that they could.

Is anyone outside of their city mourning them? Is their death on the cover of magazines and webpages? Are celebrities mourning them?

Right. Because they arent multimillionaire flying around in personal helicopters after living years jet-setting the globe and getting huge contacts to shoot a basketball. Something so life changing and important as playing a game.

Kobe lead an extremely good life. Ive read reports that he was a devout Catholic. I sure hope he had an intimate relationship with the Lord otherwise all that fame and fortune wont be doing him any good come Jan 27, 2020.

So maybe we as a society need to think about what is really important and what is not?

#flameaway

Dick move. Not surprising from you.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

In my family, I was the Jordan-era kid and my younger brother was the Kobe-era kid. I never truly rooted for Kobe, but I always respected 1) his game, obviously 2) his intelligence 3) his work ethic 4) his ability to learn and grow as a man.

My heart still aches for this loss and I think the main reason I feel such sorrow is because of Gianna. As a father, I can't imagine being in that situation, feeling helpless and unable to protect your terrified little girl from what was likely the inevitable. I truly hope it was sudden/unexpected and fast, for their sake.

Prayers to the Bryant family. Their lives forever changed.

41 is too young for anyone, much less a superstar who had just recently retired and was living his best life with his family while still working his ass off daily. He impacted so many lives globally.

For me, this one stings more than any other loss that I can remember. The Dale Earnhardt crash was awfully tragic and I can list a ton of others, but how many included their child? That's what is keeping me awake at night.

Yeah Gigi is why this is hitting me so hard. I was an MJ fan, didn't really watch b-ball much after he left Chicago. But I of course knew who Kobe was and how good he was. It was inevitable that Gigi was going to be a Husky someday. But you know what, I wouldn't even care if it meant she was still alive. She had the potential to be one of the best women ballers ever. Just too tragic.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

First of all your premise is based on the assumption that people aren't sad or heartbroken about random tragedies that kill random people. That's totally false. Think about the Sandy Hook massacre and the nationwide grief. The same day Kobe died a local couple and their young child were shot to death about 3 miles from my house. I didn't know them but I felt sadness and heartbreak for those people, too. The difference is that we often don't even know what people like that look like, the sound of their voice, or anything about their lives. Celebrities have a much stronger connection to most people because we have actual memories associated with them.

I've "spent more time" with Kobe Bryant than with 75% of the people I have met in my life. That being said, I'm mostly sad for the daughter and just the tragedy of the situation in general. But telling people what should or shouldn't make them sad is pretty silly, if you ask me. It's like you're saying "if you aren't going to grieve for everyone, don't bother." Should we assume you felt nothing for the kids at Sandy Hook because you didn't know them and you choose to spend your emotional energy on people you actually know?

This right here. I know when I die, nobody outside my family and friends will even know about it unless it's some freak thing or murder and I make some national documentary. And that's just reality. I was so messed up when Sandy Hook happened. Any time I hear about kids being killed, it guts me. I have children so I guess I can imagine how I'd feel if it were one of mine. I empathize more when it's kids. Also moms because I lost my own when I was in my 20's and it greatly impacted my life. I was sad when I just heard about Kobe but totally heartbroken when I found out Gigi was onboard, too. Before that, I was mostly sad for Gigi, knowing how close she and her dad were and how losing him would devastate her. A small part of me was a bit happy to know they died together and neither had to lose the other but mostly I was sad for the life she won't get to have and her mom and sisters because as hard as it is to lose Kobe, I'm positive losing Gigi is the hardest part for her mom.

 

[Irish#1]

It does get obsessive, someone on here literally started a RIP thread for celebrities. Crazy.

The post was started just to inform everyone. I haven't seen any posts where someone is obsessing.

 

[Rogue219]

Kobe Bryant's contribution to USA Basketball really gets overlooked in terms of his basketball legacy.

In 2002 at the FIBA World Cup the USA took 6th. 2003, 4th in the Pan American Games. In 2004 at the Athens Olympics they took Bronze, the first time since 1988 they didn't win Gold. 2006, Bronze at FIBA World Cup.

2008 in China, the Redeem Team win Gold with Coach K as coach and a new set of players, including Kobe. His leadership in practices and the way he took those games so seriously, the honor he felt to play for his nation, were part of what got USA Basketball back on track. Those guys developed the "Mamba Mentality" with Kobe on that team.

2012 and 2016 = Gold Medals. Kobe was on the 2012 squad.

See you all this summer in Tokyo.

 

[fightingirish26]

It does get obsessive, someone on here literally started a RIP thread for celebrities. Crazy.

looooool