Is Kelly a REALLY good coach?

[Wingman Ray]

Good recruiter. Good representative of the university. 6 of 10 coaching.

A lot more coaches do a ton more with a lot less talent

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm not and never have been on a fire Kelly train, I think things can be better but can certainly be much worse,... But I do take issue with the thought that Kelly is as good as it can ever get again... That's garbage. ND can still land an elite coach IMO.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Coach Kelly is a really good coach.

Coach Kelly has had incredibly bad luck with QBs. [all he's had to work with are Crist, Rees, and Golson, Hendrix, and Kiel --- pick your weaknesses, despite high school "ratings"]

Coach Kelly had incredibly bad luck last year with injuries. [ex. five defensive tackles, three middile linebackers, three or four safeties]

Coach Kelly is having incredibly bad luck this year with injuries. [a load of starters or starters in special packages]

Coach Kelly still averages 9 wins per year against an all-D1 schedule, and is on track for a ten win season this year. [maybe more]


Yes, Coach Kelly is a VERY good coach.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'm not and never have been on a fire Kelly train, I think things can be better but can certainly be much worse,... But I do take issue with the thought that Kelly is as good as it can ever get again... That's garbage. ND can still land an elite coach IMO.

See, this is where I'm at.

I've been critical of him in the Kelly revisited thread. But I don't think he's a bad coach. I just see room for improvement.

 

[Grahambo]

I'm not and never have been on a fire Kelly train, I think things can be better but can certainly be much worse,... But I do take issue with the thought that Kelly is as good as it can ever get again... That's garbage. ND can still land an elite coach IMO.

1. I think BK is an elite coach.

2. What elite coach do you think would actually come here? Not want to come here but actually do it.

 

[irishff1014]

1. I think BK is an elite coach.

2. What elite coach do you think would actually come here? Not want to come here but actually do it.

I don't think Kelly is an elite coach but he is a very good coach.

Elite is Urban,Saban,Chip Kelly, Mack Brown,Carroll, and probably Harbaugh (at Michigan). He won't have the same recruiting issues he had at Stanford.

 

[phillyirish]

I'm not and never have been on a fire Kelly train, I think things can be better but can certainly be much worse,... But I do take issue with the thought that Kelly is as good as it can ever get again... That's garbage. ND can still land an elite coach IMO.

IDK, in my opinion Notre Dame is similar to the USMNT. We can only expect so much success with the talent we bring in. So Kelly is doing a great job just like Klinnsman.


Haha jk. But I like Kelly, he develops talent and we are usually a physical team. However I don't think he is an elite recruiter like others have stated. Hes had 2 top 10 classes with his high mark at #5 in 2013.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I think some of you forget what Kelly has to deal with off the field here at ND.

We can't just stock our depth with JUCO stars. It takes TIME to build depth at a place like Notre Dame. That combined with the inevitable academic situations, transfers and injuries it's a wonder that he's built what he has. Most top football programs recruit from a much bigger pool of players..

It's incredibly tough to consistently win at the collegiate level.. Especially when you always have one of the toughest SOSs. Look at Urban.. After VaTech last year they dominated everyone. They're a shadow of that team right now with a lot of the same core pieces.. Minus the O coordinator I believe.

Kelly has had Dayne Crist, Tommy Rees, an overwhelmed Everett Golson, an injured Malik Zaire and now Kizer.. The cards haven't fallen right for the most important position on a football team... And the one year they kind of did we went to the NC.. Actually, he led a team that has no business being there to the NC.

If you want to nitpick about game clocks, play calling etc.. You can look at every head coach and do that.

We are 3 or 4 dropped passes (not Kellys fault) in Clemson from being undefeated.

A lot of this fan base won't realize what we have until he's gone.

 

[irishfanjho15]

A lot of this fan base won't realize what we have until he's gone.

I think things could get better with Kelly, with academic standards for football, and the like. But the bolded is what I think a lot on here lose track of. Chip is not walking into the Gug any time soon.

 

[Grahambo]

I don't think Kelly is an elite coach but he is a very good coach.

Elite is Urban,Saban,Chip Kelly, Mack Brown,Carroll, and probably Harbaugh (at Michigan). He won't have the same recruiting issues he had at Stanford.

And to me, he's done better with less.

 

[stlnd01]

Oh, dear. The game went so well yesterday. Do we really have to have this conversation yet again?

 

[Old Man Mike]

I just imagine what coach would do if he was located at LSU, Florida, Texas, Georgia, USC etc with those kind of no-brainer hardly-have-to-work-to-get-five-stars positions. My opinion is that if Coach was there, we'd be talking about the current ND coach wasn't "elite" like Meyer, Saban, Miles, and Kelly.

 

[theclassickiller]

So what I take from this thread is that the difference between being a very good coach and being an elite coach is recruiting violations, sanctions, breaking NCAA rules, bending rules to get players in your program, etc.

And that may very well be true. But I would rather have the Notre Dame program that is hated for doing things the right way and still winning -- even if they don't win it all -- than the program that wins it all but sacrifices its ethics and integrity to get there. If Brian Kelly can win 10 games a year and keep ND's status as the beacon of college sports, then he should stay as long as he wants to coach.

I've been very critical of Kelly's game management and planning since a couple years ago, but I would never want him gone. If Saban, Meyer, Carroll, etc. coached ND at any point I would be a very distraught fan. I can't root for a team like that. We would know as fans that we weren't winning with integrity, and I would hope that would upset everyone here.

 

[TomHaverford]

I just imagine what coach would do if he was located at LSU, Florida, Texas, Georgia, USC etc with those kind of no-brainer hardly-have-to-work-to-get-five-stars positions. My opinion is that if Coach was there, we'd be talking about the current ND coach wasn't "elite" like Meyer, Saban, Miles, and Kelly.

disagree completely.

ND has had some nice talent and top rated recruiting classes under Kelly. Kelly is a good coach, not a great one. I heard Cowherd talk about this on his show, just like in life most people are C- to B+, so are coaches. There are very few A to A+ people in life. Same thing is true with coaches. There are very few great ones. Coaches like Meyer and Saban don't grow on trees. Kelly is a very good coach though, I'd say B+ easily.

I like Miles, but let's get real here, he's not in the same class as Urban or Saban. He has under-performed relative to the talent level that LSU has had and he's never recruited and developed a QB worth a lick. I'd say Miles is a B+ coach.

 

[Free Manera]

disagree completely.

ND has had some nice talent and top rated recruiting classes under Kelly. Kelly is a good coach, not a great one. I heard Cowherd talk about this on his show, just like in life most people are C- to B+, so are coaches. There are very few A to A+ people in life. Same thing is true with coaches. There are very few great ones. Coaches like Meyer and Saban don't grow on trees. Kelly is a very good coach though, I'd say B+ easily.

I like Miles, but let's get real here, he's not in the same class as Urban or Saban. He has under-performed relative to the talent level that LSU has had and he's never recruited and developed a QB worth a lick. I'd say Miles is a B+ coach.

Agreed. At any given time there are probably 3-5 established elite coaches. Then you have some coaches that will become elite in the future. Hiring an already elite coach is near impossible because they often become elite while coaching in destination jobs. Therefore it takes some luck in hiring to land a guy that will become elite in the future. Whenever people say things like "we can do better" I think you have to agree, we can. However, how likely are we to actually get better? It takes a perfect combination of timing, luck, monetary investment, and vetting to land the homerun. It seems like a huge gamble unless you have Gruden's agent banging on the door. Look at Nebraska. They fired a guy that wins 9-10 every year and they have four losses already.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

disagree completely.

ND has had some nice talent and top rated recruiting classes under Kelly. Kelly is a good coach, not a great one. I heard Cowherd talk about this on his show, just like in life most people are C- to B+, so are coaches. There are very few A to A+ people in life. Same thing is true with coaches. There are very few great ones. Coaches like Meyer and Saban don't grow on trees. Kelly is a very good coach though, I'd say B+ easily.

I like Miles, but let's get real here, he's not in the same class as Urban or Saban. He has under-performed relative to the talent level that LSU has had and he's never recruited and developed a QB worth a lick. I'd say Miles is a B+ coach.

Ha ha, so you say Miles has under-performed and never developed a QB worth a lick, but he gets a B+, the same grade you'd give Kelly. Kewl story.

 

[WaveDomer]

disagree completely.

ND has had some nice talent and top rated recruiting classes under Kelly. Kelly is a good coach, not a great one. I heard Cowherd talk about this on his show, just like in life most people are C- to B+, so are coaches. There are very few A to A+ people in life. Same thing is true with coaches. There are very few great ones. Coaches like Meyer and Saban don't grow on trees. Kelly is a very good coach though, I'd say B+ easily.

I like Miles, but let's get real here, he's not in the same class as Urban or Saban. He has under-performed relative to the talent level that LSU has had and he's never recruited and developed a QB worth a lick. I'd say Miles is a B+ coach.

I think there is validity to both scenarios
Saban is elite in college but not so much in the NFL. Was Joe Torre elite or was a combination of being with the Yankees at that time? Same for Phil Jackson. Not taking away from them, but in sports you have to have the right combination of almost everything to win championships. And Les Miles has won with an elite D and no QB. Maybe more impressive? Belichick is elite now, but put him back in Cleveland and see what's up. Like so many things in life it is the right place and right time.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I really hope the question being considered isn't is Kelly really a good coach. I'm an active criticizer in the Kelly Revisited thread. But I still think he's a good coach. JMO, but that's why I think this discussion belong in that thread.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

disagree completely.

ND has had some nice talent and top rated recruiting classes under Kelly. Kelly is a good coach, not a great one. I heard Cowherd talk about this on his show, just like in life most people are C- to B+, so are coaches. There are very few A to A+ people in life. Same thing is true with coaches. There are very few great ones. Coaches like Meyer and Saban don't grow on trees. Kelly is a very good coach though, I'd say B+ easily.

I like Miles, but let's get real here, he's not in the same class as Urban or Saban. He has under-performed relative to the talent level that LSU has had and he's never recruited and developed a QB worth a lick. I'd say Miles is a B+ coach.

So what is Harbaugh?

 

[Irish Insanity]

disagree completely.

ND has had some nice talent and top rated recruiting classes under Kelly. Kelly is a good coach, not a great one. I heard Cowherd talk about this on his show, just like in life most people are C- to B+, so are coaches. There are very few A to A+ people in life. Same thing is true with coaches. There are very few great ones. Coaches like Meyer and Saban don't grow on trees. Kelly is a very good coach though, I'd say B+ easily.

I like Miles, but let's get real here, he's not in the same class as Urban or Saban. He has under-performed relative to the talent level that LSU has had and he's never recruited and developed a QB worth a lick. I'd say Miles is a B+ coach.

I acually think Harbough is a great coach. Lets not act like he was coaching Junior College tallent. Andrew Luck says hi.

 

[Grahambo]

disagree completely.

ND has had some nice talent and top rated recruiting classes under Kelly. Kelly is a good coach, not a great one. I heard Cowherd talk about this on his show, just like in life most people are C- to B+, so are coaches. There are very few A to A+ people in life. Same thing is true with coaches. There are very few great ones. Coaches like Meyer and Saban don't grow on trees. Kelly is a very good coach though, I'd say B+ easily.

I like Miles, but let's get real here, he's not in the same class as Urban or Saban. He has under-performed relative to the talent level that LSU has had and he's never recruited and developed a QB worth a lick. I'd say Miles is a B+ coach.

You listened to Cowherd so your opinion is automatically brought into question.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Good recruiter. Good representative of the university. 6 of 10 coaching.

A lot more coaches do a ton more with a lot less talent

6 put of 10? Is this a joke? Kelly has his flaws, but 6 out of 10?

Oops, just saw who posted this. Never mind. Same guy who posted we beat Virginia on a Hail Mary (LOL...not sure I've ever seen a Hail Mary where ONE player goes deep, but OK), and the same guy who said Kizer wasn't even a D1 QB, much less good enough to start for Notre Dame.

Also the same guy who posts and ghosts. Try to discuss something with him (like his above statements), and suddenly he's a ghost.

 

[ickythump1225]

This thread is funny. I can be a BK critic, but damn he's a good coach. His track record at ND and everywhere else he's gone attests to that fact. The real rub lies in whether or not he is "elite" or a "great" coach.

 

[aubeirish]

So, we have 2 threads basically debating the same thing. Sweet.

 

[Old Man Mike]

........what a crummy useless thread.............

 

[ulukinatme]

So, we have 2 threads basically debating the same thing. Sweet.

There's definitely more than 2 threads about BK and his coaching ability/disability, I'd have to go back and search to find the others though.

That's fine though, cause we still don't have as many threads dedicated to BK as Texas fans have for Mack Brown and Charlie Strong. 1/4 of the threads in the football board are about how either coach either sucks/sucked or doesn't suck.

 

[NDinL.A.]

This thread is funny. I can be a BK critic, but damn he's a good coach. His track record at ND and everywhere else he's gone attests to that fact. The real rub lies in whether or not he is "elite" or a "great" coach.

I love the fact that the person who started this thread and who ripped BK in the first few pages is the most myopic homer around...same guy who after the LSU game (seriously, just ONE game after the USC game where he said that Kelly was a HORRIBLE in-game coach) said that Brian Kelly is one of the best coaches in the game and is just a shade below Urban Meyer, if that.

So yes, funny thread. The OP completely flipped out on BK in this thread, and then was telling people to "R-E-L-A-X" when they questioned our defense before the season. God bless America...

 

[aubeirish]

There's definitely more than 2 threads about BK and his coaching ability/disability, I'd have to go back and search to find the others though.

That's fine though, cause we still don't have as many threads dedicated to BK as Texas fans have for Mack Brown and Charlie Strong. 1/4 of the threads in the football board are about how either coach either sucks/sucked or doesn't suck.

Haha. I would hope so. We're 6-1 for crying out loud.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

So...what's up with Brian?

 

[Irish Insanity]

So...what's up with Brian?

Please stay in topic. This thread is about Chip. We have enough threads off topic lately.