Is Kelly a REALLY good coach?

[tko]

Maybe I'm looking for a confirmation bias, but I feel like ever since the crappy ending to the regular season, BK's lost some arrogance and is (or is trying to) reenergized about being the football coach.... Maybe it's superficial, but he seemed animated after the LSU win and also a little more loose on twitter and in interviews lately.

Maybe he thinks his job isn't as safe as he thought? No idea.

Humble pie isn't always a bad dessert.

 

[wizards8507]

Maybe I'm looking for a confirmation bias, but I feel like ever since the crappy ending to the regular season, BK's lost some arrogance and is (or is trying to) reenergized about being the football coach.... Maybe it's superficial, but he seemed animated after the LSU win and also a little more loose on twitter and in interviews lately.

Maybe he thinks his job isn't as safe as he thought? No idea.

I feel the exact same way. I think "step one" in this mini transformation was acknowledging the need to change the scheme (and quarterback) for the LSU game.

 

[nlroma1o]

So what did he say in that CFB Live segment? I cant find a clip anywhere.

 

[ND NYC]

never knew cole luke was rod woodsons nephew...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

So what did he say in that CFB Live segment? I cant find a clip anywhere.

He mostly just sat there as Hoke wheezed through an unintelligible rant, and Franklin bumped rails of coke off the table. Very awkward I'm sure.

 

[NDdomer2]

I could see Kelly having a couple light bulbs fixed that may have dimmed since his arrival at ND but I don't think he suddenly feels like his job is in danger.

 

[GoldenDomer]

He mostly just sat there as Hoke wheezed through an unintelligible rant, and Franklin bumped rails of coke off the table. Very awkward I'm sure.

Hoke's voice sounds like Whitey from 8 Crazy Nights

 

[irishtrain]

Give me the big ten sprinkled with some tin cans. USC and even though I hate it Navy as the opener every year. rotate Stanford, Boston college, Pitt, etc for the shamrock series

One thing I'm adamant about is if you have to keep Navy schedule this game as the opener every year-get it out of the way-and have time to prepare for their trench warfare. You don't see big 5 conference teams lining up to play those marines do you.

 

[scUM Hater]

One thing I'm adamant about is if you have to keep Navy schedule this game as the opener every year-get it out of the way-and have time to prepare for their trench warfare. You don't see big 5 conference teams lining up to play those marines do you.

Ohio State this year and they had trouble. I like the idea of first game. Just too bad that a for sure injury will ruin somebody for rest of year. But at least that way they could get medical redshirt.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Wanted to post this just as food for thought: Heard Coach Meyer on Mike & Mike this morning talk about how he had 12 season ending injuries to his team this year and how it's uncharted territory for him. He talked about how creative the coaching staff needed to be to get the team ready for the games. They're winning games with a backup and now third string QB. Name another team that wins the conference champ 59-0, the Sugar Bowl against #1 Alabama, and now playing for the NC with a third stringer....Buehler?

I'm not a BK basher, but I've always had a problem with his arrogance and unwillingness to adapt. I think he needs to take a page out of Urban's book here. ND has had back-to-back seasons with some pretty substantial injury issues, yet you constantly hear the coaches talk about the process and "Next man in" mantra, yet the results on the field don't pan out. It was discussed WEEKS in advance of the USC game on ISD Power Hour that the staff needed to adapt their game plans around all of these injuries and younger players filling in. Yet you didn't see it happen until LSU. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but that sort of arrogance is likely what cost ND the ASU, UL, and NW games. Yes, the players need to execute better. But the coaches need to do a better job of putting them in a position to succeed. I think way too much was asked of this team this year, especially Golson. And I think a lot of the younger guys, especially on defense, were set up for failure. I'm extremely proud of how they ended against LSU. But that was in large part to BK finally adapting, changing his game plan, and calling a perfect game. I hope he continues to do that moving forward.

 

[Irish YJ]

Wanted to post this just as food for thought: Heard Coach Meyer on Mike & Mike this morning talk about how he had 12 season ending injuries to his team this year and how it's uncharted territory for him. He talked about how creative the coaching staff needed to be to get the team ready for the games. They're winning games with a backup and now third string QB. Name another team that wins the conference champ 59-0, the Sugar Bowl against #1 Alabama, and now playing for the NC with a third stringer....Buehler?

I'm not a BK basher, but I've always had a problem with his arrogance and unwillingness to adapt. I think he needs to take a page out of Urban's book here. ND has had back-to-back seasons with some pretty substantial injury issues, yet you constantly hear the coaches talk about the process and "Next man in" mantra, yet the results on the field don't pan out. It was discussed WEEKS in advance of the USC game on ISD Power Hour that the staff needed to adapt their game plans around all of these injuries and younger players filling in. Yet you didn't see it happen until LSU. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but that sort of arrogance is likely what cost ND the ASU, UL, and NW games. Yes, the players need to execute better. But the coaches need to do a better job of putting them in a position to succeed. I think way too much was asked of this team this year, especially Golson. And I think a lot of the younger guys, especially on defense, were set up for failure. I'm extremely proud of how they ended against LSU. But that was in large part to BK finally adapting, changing his game plan, and calling a perfect game. I hope he continues to do that moving forward.

I agree to an extent. I also think that OSU have better "next men in". Since 2011, their recruiting classes have ranked from #1 to #6. That's quite a run.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I agree to an extent. I also think that OSU have better "next men in". Since 2011, their recruiting classes have ranked from #1 to #6. That's quite a run.

This is true. ND has had it's deficiencies in recruiting certain positions. But overall, I think the point still stands that great coaches are better and more willing to adapt to actual circumstances, rather than force a scheme/system. Great coaches will put their players in the best situation to succeed. I think Urban is proving that this year.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

This is true. ND has had it's deficiencies in recruiting certain positions. But overall, I think the point still stands that great coaches are better and more willing to adapt to actual circumstances, rather than force a scheme/system. Great coaches will put their players in the best situation to succeed. I think Urban is proving that this year.

Two things:
1. Notre Dame will always have less depth than other schools because of academic restrictions. Every injury is magnified as a result.
2. What Urban Meyer did at Ohio State this year was historic. No other coach this year did what he did. If that's your bar...

 

[koonja]

I agree to an extent. I also think that OSU have better "next men in". Since 2011, their recruiting classes have ranked from #1 to #6. That's quite a run.

This is 90% of it IMO. When we have an injury, we fill with a 3-star underclassmen. When OSU has an injury, Urban puts in a high 4-star guy that had offers to every school in the country and is dieing to prove he should have been a starter from day one.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

This is 90% of it IMO. When we have an injury, we fill with a 3-star underclassmen. When OSU has an injury, Urban puts in a high 4-star guy that had offers to every school in the country and is dieing to prove he should have been a starter from day one.

It's also worth noting that OSU's third string quarterback "ain't come to play SCHOOL."

 

[Irish YJ]

This is true. ND has had it's deficiencies in recruiting certain positions. But overall, I think the point still stands that great coaches are better and more willing to adapt to actual circumstances, rather than force a scheme/system. Great coaches will put their players in the best situation to succeed. I think Urban is proving that this year.

As much as I hate to say it, Urban Liar is one hell of a coach.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

This is true. ND has had it's deficiencies in recruiting certain positions. But overall, I think the point still stands that great coaches are better and more willing to adapt to actual circumstances, rather than force a scheme/system. Great coaches will put their players in the best situation to succeed. I think Urban is proving that this year.

This!! I can't agree more. Such as the Golson Situation, Why did he continue to chuck the ball around when it was obvious Golson was a wreck and couldn't not turn the ball over? RUN THE DAMN BALL. There is no reason we couldn't of seen the Packages we saw with Zaire in the LSU game, all season long. Two Tight Ends, H-Backs and so on. In a lot of ways I think Kelly Set Golson up to fail.

Bottom line, Kelly wants to pass first. But when your QB can't pass first, you have to throw what you want to do as a coach out the window, because your players aren't capable.

I would LOVE to be able to draw. But, I can barely draw a stick figure, so guess what...I'm not a artist.

like some other posters have said, Kelly seemed less arrogant on ESPN. Hopefully he will come around and work with his players instead of making his players work with him.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Two things:
1. Notre Dame will always have less depth than other schools because of academic restrictions. Every injury is magnified as a result.
2. What Urban Meyer did at Ohio State this year was historic. No other coach this year did what he did. If that's your bar...

Fair points.

1. I think it also has to do with lack of recruiting certain positions in general as well as the fact that ND doesn't oversign or take Jucos. They rarely start with 85 to begin with.
2. It's not my bar. It's just a talking point. Meyer stated that this injury issue was uncharted territory for him and he had to adjust. That's the bottom line. He didn't force something on other players that may or may not have been ready. He adapted, put them in a position to succeed, and the results are speaking for themselves. Yes, injuries are a part of the game. But it's how a staff reacts to them that really matters.

This is 90% of it IMO. When we have an injury, we fill with a 3-star underclassmen. When OSU has an injury, Urban puts in a high 4-star guy that had offers to every school in the country and is dieing to prove he should have been a starter from day one.

I sort of agree here. But not every replacement is 1) a 3 star and 2) an underclassmen. They may be one or the other, but rarely both. ND hasn't recruited at an elite level, but I think they've done pretty decent since BK has been there in terms of upgrading the talent on the roster. Yes, teams like OSU, Bama, FSU, etc have recruited better and therefore are better equipped to fill holes left by injury, but I think part of the responsibility lies with the coaching staff as well in terms of player development and game plan.


To avoid any misinterpretation: I'm not suggesting that BK is a horrible coach and needs to be fired. I'm simply trying to relate an interview with Coach Meyer in regards to OSU's injury situation to ND's and how each coach handled them respectively. I think there's always room for improvement.

 

[RDU Irish]

No correlation to increased injuries and playing Navy? Or their one loss came the week after Navy? Let's not fall over ourselves here, Bama is the only top 10 team they played this year, their schedule sucks (largely due to Big Ten sucking).

I will give them credit for playing their best ball when it mattered in the Big Ten championship game and against Bama. I don't think they stand up as well to Oregon with less time to prepare. When is the last time this team played two respectable opponents in the same month, let alone season? I'll be watching, but rooting for Oregon. Lesser of two evils, IMO.

 

[woolybug25]

No correlation to increased injuries and playing Navy? Or their one loss came the week after Navy? Let's not fall over ourselves here, Bama is the only top 10 team they played this year, their schedule sucks (largely due to Big Ten sucking).

I will give them credit for playing their best ball when it mattered in the Big Ten championship game and against Bama. I don't think they stand up as well to Oregon with less time to prepare. When is the last time this team played two respectable opponents in the same month, let alone season? I'll be watching, but rooting for Oregon. Lesser of two evils, IMO.

While I believe that through slight of hand black magic, Urban will pull a win from his arse. I will be rooting for Oregon as well.

Oregon also recuits/plays against USC. An enemy of our enemy is our friend kinda deal.

 

[RDU Irish]

Rather see Pac 10 success hang a title than the Big Ten. Like you say, with Stanford and USC on the schedule every year I would rather that conference get more respect to legitimize our move away from the Big Ten.

Buckeyes shouldn't have even been in the playoffs and them winning would really be a bitch from that level as well.

 

[kmoose]

No correlation to increased injuries and playing Navy? Or their one loss came the week after Navy? Let's not fall over ourselves here, Bama is the only top 10 team they played this year,

Michigan State finished in the Top 10, as well.

When is the last time this team played two respectable opponents in the same month, let alone season?

Um........ Bama and Michigan State, this year. Wisconsin was also respectable. Minnesota finished in the Top 25 as well.

 

[kmoose]

Oregon also recuits/plays against USC. An enemy of our enemy is our friend kinda deal.

Oregon is the fvcking anti-Christ of college football, and you should NEVER root for them, unless they are playing against Beelzebub himself!

 

[MNIrishman]

It's also worth noting that OSU's third string quarterback "ain't come to play SCHOOL."

I heard that the tweet's context was that he studied really hard for a test and got a B, and was frustrated with that result, so I'm not sure if I believe that it's as big an insult to OSU as it seems.

 

[MNIrishman]

Oregon is the fvcking anti-Christ of college football, and you should NEVER root for them, unless they are playing against Beelzebub himself!

Why do you hate Oregon so much? I think they're neat to watch, and agree with the event-of-my-enemy thing, but generally don't care one way or the other about them.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I heard that the tweet's context was that he studied really hard for a test and got a B, and was frustrated with that result, so I'm not sure if I believe that it's as big an insult to OSU as it seems.

If I was an OSU fan I would use that excuse as well. I hope you're not buying it.

And Meyer was PISSED that he tweeted and there was some sort of disciplinary action (can't remember what), so Meyer certainly wasn't buying it, and listening to "12-Gage" talk I certainly ain't buying it.

 

[kmoose]

Wanted to post this just as food for thought: Heard Coach Meyer on Mike & Mike this morning talk about how he had 12 season ending injuries to his team this year and how it's uncharted territory for him. He talked about how creative the coaching staff needed to be to get the team ready for the games. They're winning games with a backup and now third string QB. Name another team that wins the conference champ 59-0, the Sugar Bowl against #1 Alabama, and now playing for the NC with a third stringer....Buehler?

I think this is mostly a function of just how good Ohio State is, across the board. Starting QB goes down? Next guy in is pretty good. Back up QB goes down? We can run the ball against the best teams in the country. The defense has been getting better as the season goes along. The offense is just incredibly balanced.

During the Alabama game, I texted a buddy of mine saying, "tOSU has NO short passing game?" The next play, Ezekiel Elliot rips off an 85 yard TD run. My buddy's response back to my text? "Don't need one" And he was right!

 

[NCND]

Oregon is the fvcking anti-Christ of college football, and you should NEVER root for them, unless they are playing against Beelzebub himself!

Why do u feel this way?

 

[RDU Irish]

Michigan State finished in the Top 10, as well.



Um........ Bama and Michigan State, this year. Wisconsin was also respectable. Minnesota finished in the Top 25 as well.

OK, they played Minnesota the week after Michigan State, Illinois the week before. I am pretty sure when they put that schedule together, they viewed Illini/Gopher bookends to their strongest opponent of the year as a pretty good idea. So they get wins over MSU, Minnesota and Wisconsin. Lost to a six loss team (including a 6-3 double overtime barn burner).

Giving them credit for playing two ranked teams in the post season is pretty silly. The whole point of keeping teams like that off your regular schedule is to get the exact shot they are getting. Pu$$y scheduling. No other way to put it. When they can't even beat their weak non-conference foes it isn't held against them at the end of the year.

Playoff committee will feel vindicated if OSU wins, when they should be ashamed of giving them a chance.

 

[RDU Irish]

I think this is mostly a function of just how good Ohio State is, across the board. Starting QB goes down? Next guy in is pretty good. Back up QB goes down? We can run the ball against the best teams in the country. The defense has been getting better as the season goes along. The offense is just incredibly balanced.

During the Alabama game, I texted a buddy of mine saying, "tOSU has NO short passing game?" The next play, Ezekiel Elliot rips off an 85 yard TD run. My buddy's response back to my text? "Don't need one" And he was right!

Is losing to a six loss Virginia Tech team a function of how good they are? Or is that early season scrimmage stuff that doesn't really count?