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I'm a reader and occasional poster at Domer Domain (user name Mr. Chainsaw), and since I'm starting a Notre Dame blog I thought I would branch out a bit. I have been peeking around here for a couple days and looks like there are some knowledgeable posters here.

Since I'm new, what is the general consensus on the quarterback situation around here between Crist/Rees and Golson/Hendrix? I believe one from each group is going to split and I feel the at least to start the year it will be Crist and Hendrix providing the one/two punch between passer and dual threat.

Again, great to be here and I'm looking forward to contributing to your community.
 

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Golson is my favorite but I think he gets the redshirt this year. He's not quite ready.

I think Crist will start with the possibility of Hendrix playing a dual threat role like you said.

Oh. And welcome aboard!
 

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Cali Domer, I figured you would have a Crist bias being from California....

I'll admit Golson is my favorite, and I think he is the future, but I agree he should redshirt. As far as Crist/Rees, as much as I respect what Rees did last, year I feel myself pulling for Crist to prove his critics wrong. I also feel he has more talent overall than Rees. At the end of the day I just want WINS, whoever does that will be my favorite.

Teo in the Wildcat is a phenomenal idea. Haha! Louie Nix in goal line situations?!
 

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My take*: Crist will be the starter; Hendrix will have a change-of-pace package (a couple series each game); Rees is the safety-valve backup (a nice commidity since he has already proven capable in that role); Golson has the highest ceiling but will preserve a year of eligibility unless he is either so good in camp they can't justify keeping him off the field or everyone ahead of him is injured.

*The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of Irish Envy or any of its other posters.
 

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Crist starts, Hendrix gets used as a battering ram in the red zone a la Tebow.
 

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LOL Irish Chocolate playing some goaline FB would be fantastic.
 

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Cali Domer, I figured you would have a Crist bias being from California....

I'll admit Golson is my favorite, and I think he is the future, but I agree he should redshirt. As far as Crist/Rees, as much as I respect what Rees did last, year I feel myself pulling for Crist to prove his critics wrong. I also feel he has more talent overall than Rees. At the end of the day I just want WINS, whoever does that will be my favorite.

Teo in the Wildcat is a phenomenal idea. Haha! Louie Nix in goal line situations?!

I am torn between Crist and Rees. I believe Crist has much more upside but his health and accuracy worries me. Rees is a game manager and that is all I really see in him. He has a average arm with no mobilty at all. But the kid is a gamer and a winner. I think Crist starts and Hendrix is the change of pace QB( like the other poster stated above me).
 

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My take*: Crist will be the starter; Hendrix will have a change-of-pace package (a couple series each game); Rees is the safety-valve backup (a nice commidity since he has already proven capable in that role); Golson has the highest ceiling but will preserve a year of eligibility unless he is either so good in camp they can't justify keeping him off the field or everyone ahead of him is injured.

*The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of Irish Envy or any of its other posters.


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Here are 2 threads that have PLENTY of our feelings on who should start. You'll get a really good idea from reading those threads. But in a nutshell, you'll find fans all of all 4 QBs here. I'd say a majority want Crist to star, a vocal minority want Rees to start, and some others want to go with either Hendrix or Golson. I'm a Crist guy, but am worried about him having the 'it' factor. Still, the offense performed the best overall when Crist was starting, regardless of what Rees (who I really love for all he did) believers will tell you.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/not...quarterback-competition-update-4-11-11-a.html

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/gol...ok-nd-qb-will-start-against-usf-2011-a-3.html
 

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USF: Crist starts. The game plan relies on Wood and Gray a lot more making Crist look a lot better. Hendrix is the tempo guy since no redshirt gets burned- why make a decision if you don't have to?

What happens if Crist goes down is another story. I think it depends on how the defense is playing. If it is like what we saw for the last 4 games, it won't matter too much who is playing. However, if it comes down to Earth a little, I could see a Rees/Hendrix offense stalling out too often (seems very possible) and Golson getting in.
 

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1. I agree with everyone that Crist will start the year and do well. People outside the program were questioning his toughness, yet people inside the program were questioning it more. I like Dayne, but the fact he really hadnt played live football for almost 3 1/2 years hurt him as far as just getting that "feel" back for game speed/decisions.

2. Crist provides us with National Title talent at QB. Yet he will go down with injury. I mean its just a given, I hope for his sake that he doesnt but its bound to happen.

3. Rees gives us a SOLID backup with possible National Talent at QB. Ken Dorsey/Craig Kenzel won National Titles...Tommy Rees can. It just a matter of how much he can mentally grasp. The playbook was very condensed last year for him, as well as if he can make throws he had trouble with.

4. Hendrix is the wild card. He has Daynes athletic ability/arm, with Rees smarts. Its just a matter of if he has Rees command during game time. He has the lockeroom behind him. Just a matter of if Kelly thinks he is ready for game situations other than just a package. If he cant unseat Rees, I fully expect him to get The Tebow package inside the 10, as well in some short yardage situations. Once he gets experience, he is a QB that can win a title, just a matter of if he will ever see legit PT.

5. Golson is a rare talent gentlemen...4 more inches he would have been the #2 ranked player in the nation behind that Clowney character lol. But, the kid has an arm that the 3 other QBs dont have, as well as accuracy. The staff need to redshirt him this year and let him put on some good weight and take in the college speed/life/playbook. In the spring, he only had about 15pages of the playbook set up for him. I know there have been rumors of a "denard" package for him, but with Hendrix being ready to play, there is no good excuse for a "denard' package.

All 4 are good enough to win a title. I know that I am in the minority there, but from what people close to the program have said, I truely believe Kelly believes it. Cierre will have a lot to do with how successful the Qbs are though. We get a bigtime run game going....game on fellas.
 
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1. I agree with everyone that Crist will start the year and do well. People outside the program were questioning his toughness, yet people inside the program were questioning it more. I like Dayne, but the fact he really hadnt played live football for almost 3 1/2 years hurt him as far as just getting that "feel" back for game speed/decisions.

2. Crist provides us with National Title talent at QB. Yet he will go down with injury. I mean its just a given, I hope for his sake that he doesnt but its bound to happen.

3. Rees gives us a SOLID backup with possible National Talent at QB. Ken Dorsey/Craig Kenzel won National Titles...Tommy Rees can. It just a matter of how much he can mentally grasp. The playbook was very condensed last year for him, as well as if he can make throws he had trouble with.

4. Hendrix is the wild card. He has Daynes athletic ability/arm, with Rees smarts. Its just a matter of if he has Rees command during game time. He has the lockeroom behind him. Just a matter of if Kelly thinks he is ready for game situations other than just a package. If he cant unseat Rees, I fully expect him to get The Tebow package inside the 10, as well in some short yardage situations. Once he gets experience, he is a QB that can win a title, just a matter of if he will ever see legit PT.

5. Golson is a rare talent gentlemen...4 more inches he would have been the #2 ranked player in the nation behind that Clowney character lol. But, the kid has an arm that the 3 other QBs dont have, as well as accuracy. The staff need to redshirt him this year and let him put on some good weight and take in the college speed/life/playbook. In the spring, he only had about 15pages of the playbook set up for him. I know there have been rumors of a "denard" package for him, but with Hendrix being ready to play, there is no good excuse for a "denard' package.

All 4 are good enough to win a title. I know that I am in the minority there, but from what people close to the program have said, I truely believe Kelly believes it. Cierre will have a lot to do with how successful the Qbs are though. We get a bigtime run game going....game on fellas.

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2. Crist provides us with National Title talent at QB. Yet he will go down with injury.

3. Rees gives us a SOLID backup with possible National Talent at QB.

4. Hendrix is the wild card.

5. Golson is a rare talent gentlemen...4 more inches he would have been the #2 ranked player in the nation behind that Clowney character lol.

All 4 are good enough to win a title.

- I am not sure if an injury is truly inevitable, but I bet its hard for Kelly to invest all of those starter's snaps in a guy with his history. I felt this way about AA. No matter how good he was (and he was playing tough in 2010), he just could not take the beating of a #1 RB. He needed to be more of a hybrid. On the other hand, I love Crist's positivity, focus, and work ethic. Here's hoping for the best.
- I am not a believer in Rees, but I have to remind myself that he was a true freshman. A big leap in ability should not be shocking. I hope he proves me wrong.
- I love Hendrix, though I don't know what gives me ground to trust in his passing abilities. If proves he can pass, he could be great.
- Golson will be the man, but we should not waste a year this year. He is not an NFL body, so he is going to be here 4 years. No need to burn one.
 
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I'm going to rely on intuition: Crist then Hendrix over Rees. I Love Tommy. Make that known. But Hendrix has a fire. A real fire inside. A spark.

Golson is the next Tony Rice.

Sorry I could be of no use...

We are SET at QB.

The Lord has blessed us.
 

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I think that the starter will depend on how much more of the offense Kelly is comfortable with Rees running. If Kelly thinks he can let loose his offense with Rees in there, then I think that Rees starts. If Kelly feels like Rees still limits the things he can do, then Crist will start. I'd be really surprised if Gholson sees the field this year.
 

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Crist - starter
Rees - Backup
Hendrix/Golson will get packages.

I'm concerned about Crist's durability and the fact he isnt an elusive runner (it isnt his game). The QB not being a runner, limits BK's offense. I think if Crist does what he does best, he is the best QB on the roster right now.

I really like Rees alot. I think he has the one QB spot that is not in question, the backup. he is very capable and I have confidence in him.

Hendrix will get his 'packages' and will get some steady playing time. Especially if Crist is injured. I think alot depends on how he performs, and by everything ive read he is impressing coaches all the time.

Golson, maybe he should redshirt, but then again maybe the urge to get him in the game is too great. I think Crist represents the 'old guard' and Golson is the 'new breed' QB at ND. Crist/Rees and Hendrix may return ND to that elite status, but I think Golson is going to take it to a new level.
 
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Crist - starter
Rees - Backup
Hendrix/Golson will get packages.

I'm concerned about Crist's durability and the fact he isnt an elusive runner (it isnt his game). The QB not being a runner, limits BK's offense. I think if Crist does what he does best, he is the best QB on the roster right now.

I really like Rees alot. I think he has the one QB spot that is not in question, the backup. he is very capable and I have confidence in him.

Hendrix will get his 'packages' and will get some steady playing time. Especially if Crist is injured. I think alot depends on how he performs, and by everything ive read he is impressing coaches all the time.

Golson, maybe he should redshirt, but then again maybe the urge to get him in the game is too great. I think Crist represents the 'old guard' and Golson is the 'new breed' QB at ND. Crist/Rees and Hendrix may return ND to that elite status, but I think Golson is going to take it to a new level.

heysus...good to see you back brah. I've missed you around these parts. Sense and reason has been sparse lately.
 

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Let me preface that Tommy was thrown into a brutal situation last year with the timing of Dayne's injury and the off-the-field tragedy, let alone being a true freshman QB. He was our QB while we accomplished some pretty significant feats in recent ND history:

1) Beat SC
2) Win in the green jerseys
3) Beat a ranked team
4) Win a bowl game against a BCS conference opponent

That said, anyone referring to him as a "gamer" might be overstating exactly what he was able to do as a starting QB.

We won the SC game in spite of his performance. If you go back and look at our other wins, there were horrible INT's and close calls that better teams would have taken better advantage of. Those wins were a product of our team rallying together and saying enough is enough, and the defense finally turning a corner and saving the offense, something we haven't seen here in 10 years.

Tommy is the backup through game 4. If Dayne goes down, he's next man in. By game 4, Hendrix is in. I think Golson plays this year in special packages. Dayne's the starter.
 

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Something in this thread drove me out of my cave.

Turning Point: you made one of the most significant-sounding claims [if true] that I have heard on this board. I'd really like to hear where it comes from.

During your statement about Andrew Hendrix, you say "He has the locker-room behind him." This is a phrase usually reserved for a situation where there are some questions about the QB situation and the players themselves are favoring and supporting a particular QB [see the NFL where this happens often]. Because it occurs in the context of comparisons between four players, and it is made in reference to only one, this COULD mean that Hendrix is actually FAVORED by elements of the team as their starter.

Could you inform me [and I suppose the rest of the board] what you meant by the phrase, and [importantly] who is telling you this?? This it seems to me is a rather big deal if the players or some segment of them have a favorite leader. And particularly if it is not Crist. Thanks.
 

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Everyone likes Dayne on the team dont get me wrong....But the Michigan game last year he lost a lot of respect in the locker room. When Dayne was standing on the sideline while Montana was in....a player from the defensive side of the ball went up to Dayne and asked Dayne if he was alright. Dayne replied he was fine. The defensive player responded if your fine the why the **** are you not in the game...Dayne just stood there.

That is coming straight from the team. Hendrix showed last year in practice that he is a gamer from many players, and that he has "it".

All the QBs have respect, its just Hendrix is gonna get the team to play for him. When things went wrong last year, Crist disappeared. As much as Clausen took heat for not being a so-called leader, and how Crist was a great leader...I didnt see it. I think Dayne can make them believe in him again, its just that right now theres a little lack of confidence in him.
 

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Everyone likes Dayne on the team dont get me wrong....But the Michigan game last year he lost a lot of respect in the locker room. When Dayne was standing on the sideline while Montana was in....a player from the defensive side of the ball went up to Dayne and asked Dayne if he was alright. Dayne replied he was fine. The defensive player responded if your fine the why the **** are you not in the game...Dayne just stood there.

That is coming straight from the team. Hendrix showed last year in practice that he is a gamer from many players, and that he has "it".

All the QBs have respect, its just Hendrix is gonna get the team to play for him. When things went wrong last year, Crist disappeared. As much as Clausen took heat for not being a so-called leader, and how Crist was a great leader...I didnt see it. I think Dayne can make them believe in him again, its just that right now theres a little lack of confidence in him.

I won't speak to Crist's leadership ability or whether he has the locker room behind him too much, just because I'm likely not as informed as Turning Point.

However, I think a lot of us do have some concerns with Crist in that he does seem kind of soft. I know the injuries play a major part in that perception, but as much as I love Crist (and I think he'll be our best guy this year), doesn't it seem like he's a leader in a manufactured sense?

I don't know I guess that's how I've always felt. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Crist isn't a natural leader, but sometimes it feels like he's trying so hard to be THE leader that it comes off as fake in a very innocent and harmless way, but still fake.

I still think he has a bright future and can lead this team to some great things, but I, like many people, really want to see more from him when the going gets tough in 2011.

If he's lost part of the locker room, and hasn't gained it back...that could be trouble. I hope he has gained it back.

But Hendrix...it's been pretty clear that he has turned a lot of heads since he stepped on campus. I would say he's had the most hyped redshirt season at Notre Dame, yet at the same time, he was curiously not that much hyped. He's had a strange past year or so in South Bend.

Anyway, we've heard some whispers here and there over the months that the Voodoo Child is the Truth. Personally I think he's a great fit for the offense, and probably just as good of a fit as Golson.

If what TP is saying is true, and again we've heard some things come out here and there that do confirm it...then I'm not so sure this is going to be Golson's team in a year or two.

To be sure, I think Golson is ridiculously talented...but I've always thought Hendrix was right up there with him in the sense that he's bigger, stronger, older, etc.

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And when I look at Hendrix, I see a killer. Maybe this is what TP is talking about in regards to the players and respect. I've always got the sense that there's something really special about Hendrix, and I'm not sure how to deal with it when we have a talent like Golson coming up right behind him.

Hendrix has the mixture of speed, size, toughness, and a cannon arm...and it's his toughness that really separates him from all the other guys, including Golson (to this point, since he's so skinny and likely never to be a tough runner like we expect Hendrix to be). I really think Hendrix is going to be nipping at the heels of the starter this year, I really do.

Just something about him....
 

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...The defensive player responded if your fine the why the **** are you not in the game...Dayne just stood there.

...When things went wrong last year, Crist disappeared.

Seems like an unfair assessment. Can you see the forest for the trees?

He did not disappear. He was injured. Kelly took him out of the Michigan game. He took a shot to the head. Did anyone expect Crist to give that guy a full medical report on the sideline?

Because you "hear" from certain athletes a certain preference toward a certain direction, that does not mean squat. Any private conversation between an athlete and someone can indicate that athlete's gripes, but come practice or gametime, coach and athlete need to drop the hammer and fall in line. It is disgusting to me to think the team would go half assed because they don't like the qb.
 
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I don't know how anyone can call a guy soft for being injured. Yes, it is unfortunate that the kid suffered two serious injuries in back-to-back seasons, but is the implication that he should've played through a blown ACL and ruptured patella tendon? Because anyone suggesting that loses all credibility in my eyes. If you want to argue that Dayne is unlucky, I would think you're kind of foolish and silly to believe in such things, but I could at least see where you're coming from. But calling a guy soft for suffering a two season-ending injuries is flat-out stupid.

You're soft if you have a strained forearm on your non-throwing arm and ask out of the game; or if you have a bruised shin and you'd rather stand on the sidelines than play through pain. If you sustain an injury that makes you physically unable to play, you aren't soft. You're injured.
 

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Gentlemen, I'd like to clarify what I think that the issue is here. We are not concerned whether TP considers Crist soft or if he has lost some respect in the locker-room. We are concerned whether his TEAMMATES think that. Turning Point is reporting what he believes he has heard; it is THAT "data" that I'd like to see cleared up as best as possible. We don't have to accuse TP of anything here; we DO have the right to request as much descriptive background as to where the "facts/rumors" are coming from.

This is not mild recreation here on this point --- such situations can split teams and cause all sorts of H*ll on the practice field and even in games. How serious IS this?? If the team genuinely likes Dayne then they will play hard for him, as long as he steps up and presents himself confidently. I'm hoping that the level of this locker-room concern is pretty minor as to respect/leadership. If it is not, Kelly will see it, and we all could be surprised about starting QB and "substitution speed".
 
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