Illegal Immigrant to get Law License?

[Me2SouthBend]

I wonder if this story will spark any debate/discussion? I'm going with Yes. The California Bar says he should not be kept from getting his license.

“ … Mr. Garcia’s status in the United States, should not, ipso facto, be grounds for excluding him from law licensure. He has met all of the prescribed qualifications and there is no reason to believe he cannot take the oath and faithfully uphold his duties as an attorney,” the bar said.

California bar: Illegal immigrant should get law license - U.S. News

 

[irishpat183]

The term "Illegal" doesn't mean anything to the state of CA or the left....

I'm all for people coming over here for a better life, but do it the right way. And stop with the pathetic excuses of "I didn't know"....Yeah, you do by 35 years old.

My wife and her family are from South Africa. Came over here with nothing and not knowing the language. By the time my wife was in second grade, she learned english. Her parents are tax paying Americans now. Took them 10 years with paperwork and fees, but they did it. So I've dealt with this subject, specifically.

Yet we want to hand it out to other groups for poltical posturing? And call those demanding that they do it the right and legal way, racists????

Horsesh*t.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

You make very broad, sweeping statements about the left. I'm not sure I disagree with you on this particular conversation, but these are extremely nuanced arguments. You tend to call the other side a name, swear, and go about your day. I'd much prefer a calm discussion...

On the other hand, maybe you're right. Liberals are stupid and entitled, teachers are lazy and stupid, and unions kill kittens.

FWIW, I'm not a big fan of name calling and demagoguery on the left either.

 

[Emcee77]

I don't see a problem with it. This guy is going through the process of getting a visa to work here as a permanent resident; it just hasn't been finalized yet. He has passed the bar and stayed out of trouble. He has proven that he has the knowledge, skill and character to practice law. Why shouldn't we at least certify him as having that knowledge, skill and character? Doesn't mean he'll be able to get paid for his work until he gets his papers in order, but why withhold the certification? It has nothing to do with anything other than being capable of practicing law. If he wants to do that for free, let him go ahead.

 

[RDU Irish]

On the other hand, maybe you're right. Liberals are stupid and entitled, teachers are lazy and stupid, and unions kill kittens.

FINALLY, a valid defense of unions.

Obama already solved the immigration problem by keeping the economy so bad they are all jumping back over the border.

More seriously though, why can't we just dish out work Visas like candy, revoke the privledge of citizen ship for kids born here illegally and focus making immigration easier and less expensive? Maybe add a 20% sur-tax to non-citizens working here if you want to tilt the playing field in favor of citizens.

 

[RDU Irish]

I don't see a problem with it. This guy is going through the process of getting a visa to work here as a permanent resident; it just hasn't been finalized yet. He has passed the bar and stayed out of trouble. He has proven that he has the knowledge, skill and character to practice law. Why shouldn't we at least certify him as having that knowledge, skill and character? Doesn't mean he'll be able to get paid for his work until he gets his papers in order, but why withhold the certification? It has nothing to do with anything other than being capable of practicing law. If he wants to do that for free, let him go ahead.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are kidding right? Lawyers as moral and just protectors of the innocent? You obviously have never been involved in any type of dispute that needed one.

But yes, I don't fault this guy for what he is trying to do. I don't even know what the options are for someone who was raised here and brought here illegally to gain citizenship or a legal visa, but I am sure it a long, complicated and expensive process.

 

[irishpat183]

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[irishpat183]

You make very broad, sweeping statements about the left. I'm not sure I disagree with you on this particular conversation, but these are extremely nuanced arguments. You tend to call the other side a name, swear, and go about your day. I'd much prefer a calm discussion...

On the other hand, maybe you're right. Liberals are stupid and entitled, teachers are lazy and stupid, and unions kill kittens.

FWIW, I'm not a big fan of name calling and demagoguery on the left either.

When it comes to this issue, not all issues, the left convinently uses "undocumented". That's why I mentioned the left doesn't care about "illegal". Should've been more clear.

And no, the left doesnt. It's votes. Just look what our president is doing. Going around congress to fill the ballot box. Why else would he allow them to stay given our economy and unemployed American workers??

And in my comment, I don't see anything about teachers or unions? Maybe a prior convo? Either way, why don't we stick to this subject, huh??

 

[Rhode Irish]

He was born in another country?! Well then clearly he is not capable of practicing law. Only AMERICANS have the capacity to practice law!!

 

[irishpat183]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are kidding right? Lawyers as moral and just protectors of the innocent? You obviously have never been involved in any type of dispute that needed one.

But yes, I don't fault this guy for what he is trying to do. I don't even know what the options are for someone who was raised here and brought here illegally to gain citizenship or a legal visa, but I am sure it a long, complicated and expensive process.

It's really not that complicated. There is some costs and it takes a while...but the person can remain here with a green card and proper paperwork. The entire idea that it's some difficult process that is torturous and hard is a farce created by the bleeding heart politicans that are looking for the vote.

A process that some have to follow and others dont...is the problem. Again, my wife and her family did it.

What is the excuse of the overwhelmingly hispanic population that just can't seem to do it the right way???

 

[sfk324]

When it comes to this issue, not all issues, the left convinently uses "undocumented". That's why I mentioned the left doesn't care about "illegal". Should've been more clear.

And no, the left doesnt. It's votes. Just look what our president is doing. Going around congress to fill the ballot box. Why else would he allow them to stay given our economy and unemployed American workers??

And in my comment, I don't see anything about teachers or unions? Maybe a prior convo? Either way, why don't we stick to this subject, huh??

Neither side actually has any desire to fix the system. The Democratic party can continue to use the issue to rile up the Latino vote, while the business interests backing the Right get a perpetual supply of cheap labor. Deport 1,000 illegals who were not eligible to work here? Ok, there's another truck coming the other direction with the same number to take their spot in the field or the factory.

 

[irishpat183]

Neither side actually has any desire to fix the system. The Democratic party can continue to use the issue to rile up the Latino vote, while the business interests backing the Right get a perpetual supply of cheap labor. Deport 1,000 illegals who were not eligible to work here? Ok, there's another truck coming the other direction with the same number to take their spot in the field or the factory.

And you have a point....

My issue is just blanketing them with amnesty after others have worked hard and value their earned citizen ship in this country. Whereas illegals just take advantage of it.

 

[JadeBrecks]

The term "Illegal" doesn't mean anything to the state of CA....

Unless it is owning a gun.

 

[irishpat183]

Unless it is owning a gun.

Ahhh!! I forgot.

 

[jmurphy75]

My biggest problem is the sense of entitlement that the "illegal" Hispanic immigrants have. My grandfather came to the US when he was a boy and the first two things that you did was lean the language and find gainful employment. It seems that just doesn't happen anymore.

 

[jodyndfb]

This is not America anymore!!!

 

[Zwidmanio]

My biggest problem is the sense of entitlement that the "illegal" Hispanic immigrants have. My grandfather came to the US when he was a boy and the first two things that you did was lean the language and find gainful employment. It seems that just doesn't happen anymore.

So is it your position that most illegal immigrants come to this country to not find gainful employment? Not being a smart@$$, real question.

As for the language issue, your grandfather should be commended for his efforts to assimilate into the US. My grandfather did the same, as did my grandmother, mother, aunts, and uncles. However, I don't find that the use of "old country" language is at all unique to Hispanic immigrants and I don't necessarily think it's an entitlement issue either. From my experience, the learning and/or adoption of the use of English (I'm assuming "the language" is English) varies depending on educational levels and the neighborhoods that you live in. If you need English to function during your day to day activities, you will learn it. If you don't, then it's far less likely.

 

[Emcee77]

lol, well Sergio Garcia went to college and law school in California, so I'm certain he speaks English. In fact he seems like exactly the sort of hardworking, assimilating immigrant that people are holding up as the ideal.

No one is contending that he should be able to work and be paid as a regular employee in the U.S. in violation of the law. But who can explain to me why he shouldn't be licensed to practice law so he can volunteer or maybe even work as an independent contractor (to the extent that that is legal; experts express differing opinions in the below article) while he tries to straighten out his visa?

California State Bar argues for law licenses for the undocumented - latimes.com

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Aren't we all illegal immigrants?

 

[irishpat183]

Aren't we all illegal immigrants?

No. I was born in this country.


Are you kidding?

 

[sfk324]

No. I was born in this country.


Are you kidding?

I think he's referring to the foundation of the country itself. It's easy to claim title to property when you get to decide what the rules are for claiming it and then fit the rules to what you've done as opposed to your adversary.

 

[Irish YJ]

If you want to come, do it the right way. Go through the process and pay taxes. I'm fine with anyone who does this. Is that too much to ask? Am I a racist because I don't want my tax dollars going to special interest and non-tax paying individuals.

I don't want to hear the nation's foundation argument. Very different situation, and very different times.

 

[gkIrish]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are kidding right? Lawyers as moral and just protectors of the innocent? You obviously have never been involved in any type of dispute that needed one.

But yes, I don't fault this guy for what he is trying to do. I don't even know what the options are for someone who was raised here and brought here illegally to gain citizenship or a legal visa, but I am sure it a long, complicated and expensive process.

There are many lawyers or future lawyers that are members of IE. Please try not to trash the profession because you had a bad experience

 

[RallySonsOfND]

We need high walls, with wide LEGAL gates. IMO

 

[magogian]

I'm a lawyer. You have my permission to trash us.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I'm a lawyer. You have my permission to trash us.

Ditto. There are some good ones, but not a lot.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Ditto. There are some good ones, but not a lot.

You're probably safe. Many people here are too busy bashing teachers to think about lawyers.

 

[luckyfc]

Aren't we all illegal immigrants?

How'd that work out for the then native Americans?

On a more serious note, we either have laws or don't have laws. But subjectively applying them to individuals or groups is 1) an increasingly common trend and 2) incredibly dangerous and easy to pervert with whomever is in power at the time.

 

[magogian]

I can't wait until President Romney uses his executive discretion and instructs the IRS to not prosecute people like me for only paying federal taxes at a 10% marginal rate. Hooray!

 

[Grahambo]

Just like EVERY other job every where, there are good people and there are bad people.

If a non-citizen is qualified enough to serve the country and earn their citizenship that way, why can't one become a lawyer if he/she is smart enough? If they can pay their way through school then why hold them down?

If he qualifies for it then go with God my friend.