If only Notre Dame were in the top 25...

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That's brilliant recruiting. I tip my hat to them.

Notre Dame's mid-career salary is $112,000. Not quite Stanford's $119,000, but close; easily top two among FBS schools. Vandy comes in next at $104,000, and then USC at $99,400.

Notre Dame's Return on Investment is even more favorable. The school's in some pretty elite company there.


While major university grads can be found throughout the country most stay within the region. The regional cost of living has significant impact on starting salaries as well as future increases. I suspect comparing ND and Stanford after adjusting for the California cost of living and Midwest cost of living would result in a the net number being a wash.

My starting offers in CA were about 15% higher than other parts of the US. Job offers to move to CA were also higher reflecting the higher cost of living.


It is a clever piece of marketing on Stanford's part. One ND could easily counter to a prospect with the data Whiskeyjack provided. But it would best be presented by a faculty member rather than a coach as the coach would have to then explain why ND wasn't on that list of Top 25 Football programs.
 

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While major university grads can be found throughout the country most stay within the region. The regional cost of living has significant impact on starting salaries as well as future increases. I suspect comparing ND and Stanford after adjusting for the California cost of living and Midwest cost of living would result in a the net number being a wash.
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Those were my exact thoughts as well when first looking at those salary figures and school locations. Very valid points!
 

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While major university grads can be found throughout the country most stay within the region. The regional cost of living has significant impact on starting salaries as well as future increases. I suspect comparing ND and Stanford after adjusting for the California cost of living and Midwest cost of living would result in a the net number being a wash.

My starting offers in CA were about 15% higher than other parts of the US. Job offers to move to CA were also higher reflecting the higher cost of living.


It is a clever piece of marketing on Stanford's part. One ND could easily counter to a prospect with the data Whiskeyjack provided. But it would best be presented by a faculty member rather than a coach as the coach would have to then explain why ND wasn't on that list of Top 25 Football programs.

Nailed it. Just was going to say this.
 

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To elaborate on Whiskey and BGIF's poss,,
If you take the closest major cities to each respective university, a $104,000 job in Chicago equates to a $117,000 job in San Francisco.

If there was no adjustment to the figures for regional differences, the mid career salary is virtually the same.
 
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Even with the valid point BGIF made the Va Tech stat is scary...
 

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I like how they sneek that last line in at the bottom:

"Stanford Varisty Athlete alumni are the most sought after employees across all sectors of the economy in every corner of the country."
 

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Even with the valid point BGIF made the Va Tech stat is scary...

In what way?

The second column says "Salary $$ Less Than Stanford". That's why every number has a dash in front of it, it indicates how much less an average player is making than the average Stanford grad. VT actually has the least "scary" number on the list.

Boise State (understandably) has the "scariest" number, followed by South Carolina, Nebraska, UCF, and Florida State (as if this wasn't unexpected).

Unless I misinterpreted the data and made a fool of myself with this post.
 

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Any school's graduates' monetary rewards are directly related to not only the idealistic quality of the programs but to what sort of programs they are. This is duh-obvious, but I thought that I'd toss it in the stew.

To have "rich grads", you should probably have a medical school [or at least a top quality pre-medical curriculum], and a law school [same thing], and lots of engineering [Virginia Tech's secret]. Sciences like chemistry and biochemistry, molecular biology and pharmaceutical research, mathematics and computer science --- etc etc, and you get the idea.

Despite what young "students" would like to fantasize, the harder the curriculum the more one separates oneself from the unwashed [and often jobless] masses. Any collegiate academic powerhouse knows that the hard tangible stuff is where they need to build.

And despite the opportunities offered around the curricula, the "student/athlete" majoring in general studies, sports communications, communications arts, and at my old school, criminal justice, may be staying eligible, but eligible for what, post-college??

[at WMU I once had two CRJs of JUNIOR status in class who could not write a single accurate sentence, let alone actually put anything complicated into their heads. They attempted to BS me all semester and I flunked them both. Hopefully it did some good but I have my doubts].
 

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As BGIF pointed out, if you control for cost of living where the majority of each schools' graduates reside after college, ND could easily be at the top of the list.
 

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In what way?

The second column says "Salary $$ Less Than Stanford". That's why every number has a dash in front of it, it indicates how much less an average player is making than the average Stanford grad. VT actually has the least "scary" number on the list.

Boise State (understandably) has the "scariest" number, followed by South Carolina, Nebraska, UCF, and Florida State (as if this wasn't unexpected).

Unless I misinterpreted the data and made a fool of myself with this post.

I think u are right
 

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While major university grads can be found throughout the country most stay within the region. The regional cost of living has significant impact on starting salaries as well as future increases. I suspect comparing ND and Stanford after adjusting for the California cost of living and Midwest cost of living would result in a the net number being a wash.

My starting offers in CA were about 15% higher than other parts of the US. Job offers to move to CA were also higher reflecting the higher cost of living.


It is a clever piece of marketing on Stanford's part. One ND could easily counter to a prospect with the data Whiskeyjack provided. But it would best be presented by a faculty member rather than a coach as the coach would have to then explain why ND wasn't on that list of Top 25 Football programs.

The problem with this is that it assumes that a large majority of ND grads stay in the Midwest. If I'm not mistaken, I do believe that I have read that the Bay Area ND Club is one of the largest in the nation?
 

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That's brilliant recruiting. I tip my hat to them.

Notre Dame's mid-career annual salary is $112,000. Not quite Stanford's $119,000, but close; easily top two among FBS schools. Vandy comes in next at $104,000, and then USC at $99,400.

Notre Dame's Return on Investment is even more favorable. The school's in some pretty elite company there.

Add Duke as #2, and also props to Georgia Institute of Technology at $105 (easy to overlook). So no bagging on guys like Tuitt that take a good look at their program.
Like many others have said, BGIF is spot on with the analysis, as Stanford people do tend to stay out west- as there are benefits to go with the cost. But it does skew things.

One other key point that has been recently debated on Blomberg, CNBC, and other places is not the education, but the network of a university. The theory is that with modern technology it is much easier to get a high level education anywhere (if you apply yourself) unlike 50 years ago. But what you pay for and show at the top of this list is a quality education AND a network of connections that hooks a brother up. Stanford and Duke are great in this, but probably don't have the national breadth and flexibility of ND.

All that said, I'm sure our coaches have charts like this.

Great info LAX, kudos.
 
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Add Duke as #2, and also props to Georgia Institute of Technology at $105 (easy to overlook). So no bagging on guys like Tuitt that take a good look at their program.

Yeah, engineering schools are typically going to have a huge inherent advantage (see: Harvey-Mudd) on other schools. One fair knock on GT is their ridiculously abysmal graduation rate.
 

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...I wonder how we would show up on this Stanford recruiting ploy. Wonder if this is the brain child of Polian.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9378/screenshot20110524at103.png

...I get the ploy, come to Stanford and make better jack...

...this all makes sense if I'm an aspiring electrical engineer...how many guys on their football team are in the engineering program? 3 maybe?

Compare what Football players make mid career to Football players from other schools (exclude NFL guys)...if that differential holds up in that sample...well then they have something.

As well...I saw BGIF's assessment...found that to be true...I think you gotta consider the pay rate based on locale...

Nifty little shell game they got going there...but meaningless, especiaally if parents are part of the decision process...
 

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The problem with this is that it assumes that a large majority of ND grads stay in the Midwest. If I'm not mistaken, I do believe that I have read that the Bay Area ND Club is one of the largest in the nation?

According to a demographic map of ND alumni, I saw about 3 years ago, the Midwest predominated. Keep in mind the Census Bureau lists 12 states in the Midwest.

Keep in mind they don't all have to be in the Midwest just in a lower cost of living area then the comparable number of Stanford grads. I can't cite you specific numbers but I'd bet there's more ND grads in Alabama or Mississippi for example than there are SU alumni.


I don't know the size of the Bay Area ND Club nor am I familiar with the term "large majority".

If there are "X" number of ND alumni in CA all they do is offset the comparable number of SU alumni in CA. The bulk of the remaining SU alumni still have that same higher cost of living.
 
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