If you sold your tickets to a UGAfan

[dublinirish]

Simmer on down, game is at Duke. So hes trying to support a team that is actually doing good and should get everyone's support here, but doesn't and no one says a word about it. Hes showing himself to be more a fan than most people who come out to support ND twelve days a year and complain about them for eleven, because as soon as that last game is done theyre done. And everyone is complaining about people selling their tickets for so much but miss the point that if the prices were not driven up they could have been sold to other ND fans who might have been able to afford it then and not the Georgia fans that see a once in a lifetime opportunity.

you could sell to a ND fan by advertising the sale (at cost price) in any ND fan community.
IMO, any ND fans who sold tickets on stubhub are traitors.

 

[woolybug25]

We don't have the large alumni base that state universities have with the subsequent potential demand. We price seating beyond what some fans can afford. Also, a top end hotel room for Friday or Saturday ran $600+ per night. Season ticket holders have to give donations to the University prior to choosing seating, which is now not only based on the Tier system for games but adjusted for sites within the stadium. These costs for attending this type of game eliminates many other Irish fans and presses local businesses who contract for season tickets to consider selling their seats to the highest bidder. If they pass along the tickets to their valued employees locally or regionally, the ticket demand and subsequent high prices invite those employees or businesses to resale the tickets, especially if they are not necessarily Irish fans, to compensate for their annual costs or for individuals to just make a quick profit.

Georgia fans seemed respectful, appreciative of the opportunity to play us and to visit the campus and, in a way, touch on our history, and had open wallets. The Game Day shirts were gone by Friday night, for instance. Consider it a neutral site game as far as attendance with tickets another commodity in the free enterprise market of college football.

You could eliminate all season tickets except for luxury box seats and restrict ticket distribution to lottery and through alumni groups.

We lost by one to a team that may play for the SEC championship before a neutral site attendance crowd. Even if they had lost, Georgia fans looked on this as a once in a lifetime opportunity. Many are demanding more games agains the top teams outside the South now.

Weird... cuz last time I checked, we sell out every game and this is never a problem.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

One of the big things I think people are missing when theyre saying they making a few hundred dollars selling tickets is that they also then dont have to pay for two nights of the limited amount of hotel rooms that are ridiculously priced as well as airfare or whatever other method you use to get into town. Plus, often when you buy through ND you get two tickets together, but for big weekends like this, how many people are only bringing one person they want to watch the game with? I had a group of eight and we were thinking of selling and just going to a bar and being able to watch it together. You want to make sure its Irish fans that go to the game? Incentize them to attend instead of sell. Make the lottery a combo of attendance and donation or have certain sections that have to show the credit card that purchased the ticket or something else. The point being that chastising people for doing what is in their own self-interest is dumb and counter productive. Figure out how to change their interest and change the system accordingly, because this was a failure of a system that couldnt figure out human nature, not a failure on human natures part.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Weird... cuz last time I checked, we sell out every game and this is never a problem.

This is probably the first game we have really sold out in a while. Thank God for big donors who care enough about the sell out streak to buy them out at the last minute.

 

[dublinirish]

One of the big things I think people are missing when theyre saying they making a few hundred dollars selling tickets is that they also then dont have to pay for two nights of the limited amount of hotel rooms that are ridiculously priced as well as airfare or whatever other method you use to get into town. Plus, often when you buy through ND you get two tickets together, but for big weekends like this, how many people are only bringing one person they want to watch the game with? I had a group of eight and we were thinking of selling and just going to a bar and being able to watch it together. You want to make sure its Irish fans that go to the game? Incentize them to attend instead of sell. Make the lottery a combo of attendance and donation or have certain sections that have to show the credit card that purchased the ticket or something else. The point being that chastising people for doing what is in their own self-interest is dumb and counter productive. Figure out how to change their interest and change the system accordingly, because this was a failure of a system that couldnt figure out human nature, not a failure on human natures part.

sell the tickets to a fellow ND fan then at face value. It's not like there's a massive shortage of people in this world who would pay to watch ND play in a big game like that.

 

[woolybug25]

One of the big things I think people are missing when theyre saying they making a few hundred dollars selling tickets is that they also then dont have to pay for two nights of the limited amount of hotel rooms that are ridiculously priced as well as airfare or whatever other method you use to get into town. Plus, often when you buy through ND you get two tickets together, but for big weekends like this, how many people are only bringing one person they want to watch the game with? I had a group of eight and we were thinking of selling and just going to a bar and being able to watch it together. You want to make sure its Irish fans that go to the game? Incentize them to attend instead of sell. Make the lottery a combo of attendance and donation or have certain sections that have to show the credit card that purchased the ticket or something else. The point being that chastising people for doing what is in their own self-interest is dumb and counter productive. Figure out how to change their interest and change the system accordingly, because this was a failure of a system that couldnt figure out human nature, not a failure on human natures part.

You pay a premium for season tickets, it's that way with any season tickets. That doesn't give you the right to break the resale policy in order to profit by selling out your team to our opponents. If that is what you plan on doing, then don't buy the season tickets. There are plenty of people waiting in line for those season tickets and it would be cheaper to simply purchase single games.

 

[Southside Sully]

Georgia fans that sat behind and in front of me bought them from a Season Ticket holder for $45 over face value each..

 

[RDU Irish]

Hey nippleheads - THERE IS NO RESALE RESTRICTION ANYMORE

 

[dublinirish]

Georgia fans that sat behind and in front of me bought them from a Season Ticket holder for $45 over face value each..

Make sure you greet the season ticket holder with a "thanks for making it, really appreciate your presence" at the next game..

 

[NDohio]

One of the big things I think people are missing when theyre saying they making a few hundred dollars selling tickets is that they also then dont have to pay for two nights of the limited amount of hotel rooms that are ridiculously priced as well as airfare or whatever other method you use to get into town. Plus, often when you buy through ND you get two tickets together, but for big weekends like this, how many people are only bringing one person they want to watch the game with? I had a group of eight and we were thinking of selling and just going to a bar and being able to watch it together. You want to make sure its Irish fans that go to the game? Incentize them to attend instead of sell. Make the lottery a combo of attendance and donation or have certain sections that have to show the credit card that purchased the ticket or something else. The point being that chastising people for doing what is in their own self-interest is dumb and counter productive. Figure out how to change their interest and change the system accordingly, because this was a failure of a system that couldnt figure out human nature, not a failure on human natures part.

Don't you know all this when you make the decision to buy ND tickets to begin with? Don't you take that into consideration before making the investment?

 

[Greenore]

A couple years ago, I purchased 4 tickets in January for the USC at Notre Dame game in October. I needed tickets right away as we were trying to confirm flights, hotels and other activities. The total for the four tickets was $4,468 USD. I didn't really care because this was going to be a special day with great friends.

At the time of ordering, I was reminded by the third-party seller that these were way over face value. In fact I was told that several times. Do these transactions/opportunities still exist? Cheers!

 

[ab2cmiller]

Hey nippleheads - THERE IS NO RESALE RESTRICTION ANYMORE

Go watch the replay on your new big screen.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

You pay a premium for season tickets, it's that way with any season tickets. That doesn't give you the right to break the resale policy in order to profit by selling out your team to our opponents. If that is what you plan on doing, then don't buy the season tickets. There are plenty of people waiting in line for those season tickets and it would be cheaper to simply purchase single games.

I'm not 100% on this, but I think they got rid of that rule this year now that they have an official ticket exchange partner.

 

[NDohio]

Hey nippleheads - THERE IS NO RESALE RESTRICTION ANYMORE

Did you, as a ND fan, feel badly at all when seeing that sea of red on the broadcast?

 

[dublinirish]

I'm not 100% on this, but I think they got rid of that rule this year now that they have an official ticket exchange partner.

any rules or whatever isn't the question here, it's the ethics of hindering the team you are apparently a fan of by selling your tickets to your opponent's fans. Doing it for profit by selling above face value is even more disgusting.

 

[woolybug25]

Hey nippleheads - THERE IS NO RESALE RESTRICTION ANYMORE

Weird... here's the verbiage from this year's ticket policy.

Reselling of Athletic Tickets on Campus

In an effort to reduce scalping and fraud, the reselling of athletic tickets, for any amount, is strictly prohibited on the University of Notre Dame campus. Subjects found reselling tickets on campus may receive a warning for Criminal Trespassing and will be asked to leave University of Notre Dame property or be subject to arrest. Those looking to resale tickets on game day are asked to utilize the Alumni Consignment Sale held at the Joyce Center Gate 3 Box Office beginning 4 1/2 hours prior to kick-off. The University of Notre Dame Alumni Association is the only approved reseller of Notre Dame athletic tickets.

Im guessing the alumni association brokered your sale?

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Don't you know all this when you make the decision to buy ND tickets to begin with? Don't you take that into consideration before making the investment?

I take into account the cost that will likely happen, but we do not get rooms or anything too quickly because people always have things come up so plans are forced to change. So when its getting close and plans are being finalized and we see how much we can sell them for... Going would not just include the cost of being there, but the opportunity cost of not selling also.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Can someone come up with some new excuses, the current batch of excuses is getting kind of old.

Maybe something along the lines of "I had a dream that God told me to sell my tickets on Stub Hub".

 

[ulukinatme]

How would they lose money cracking down on resale?

Scenario 1: Allow Resale
Joe buys a ticket for $100 and sells it to Steve for $200.
Notre Dame - Gets $100 from Joe
Joe - Profits $100
Steve - Spends $200 and gets to attend the game.

Scenario 2: Crack Down on Resale
Joe does not buy a ticket because he can't profit from it. Steve buys Joe's ticket from Notre Dame for $100.
Notre Dame - Gets $100 from Steve
Joe - Does not profit
Steve - Spends $100 and gets to attend the game

Notre Dame is still getting exactly the same amount of money as they were before... face value for the ticket. The only difference is that the scalper doesn't get to profit and the "real fan" gets to attend the game for face value.

In my example I showed how I was contacted by the University and reprimanded because my Army buddy was thrown out of a game for being intoxicated. I was told if it happened again I would lose the privilege of buying tickets. My point was that the University has ticket owner's information, and they have contacted ticket owners in the past to reprimand them for not following the rules. The problem is they choose not to enforce the "No resale" policy because if they targeted every ticket owner that resells tickets they would lose a lot of season ticket holders. Are there ways to get around a ban? Is it possible there's an unlimited number of "Steves" that will scoop up the available tickets? Of course, but if they did crack down it's likely that they'd find demand isn't inelastic. They would eventually have great difficulty selling all the season tickets, and the University doesn't do anything these days that results in lost profits.

 

[Ndaccountant]

You pay a premium for season tickets, it's that way with any season tickets. That doesn't give you the right to break the resale policy in order to profit by selling out your team to our opponents. If that is what you plan on doing, then don't buy the season tickets. There are plenty of people waiting in line for those season tickets and it would be cheaper to simply purchase single games.

At one time, yes.

Not the case anymore.

Notre Dame football season tickets attainable, but costly | Notre Dame Insider Football | ndinsider.com

 

[wizards8507]

At one time, yes.

Not the case anymore.

Notre Dame football season tickets attainable, but costly | Notre Dame Insider Football | ndinsider.com

That doesn't necessarily mean what it seems to mean. It's possible that season ticket demand is low. But it's also possible that the University simply increased the number of season tickets available for purchase after Crossroads.

 

[woolybug25]

Here's what the alumni association says...

What is the University policy regarding the resale of tickets ?
A. It is against Notre Dame's ticket policy to sell tickets for more than face value, with the exception of Alumni Association organizations and other charitable organizations that are sanctioned/approved by the University. The resale of tickets is strictly prohibited on University property. The university does reserve the right to rescind lottery privilidges and to confiscate tickets sold above face value. From Notre Dame's Event Information: If the resale of tickets is detected on University premises, the tickets will be confiscated and the sellers escorted off the campus by authorities. Further, ticket priviledges will be revoked from the original holder on record.
The University is making an effort to thwart the resale of tickets. Notre Dame football tickets can be traced to their original owners. A well meaning ticket holder may sell (or give!) their tickets to someone who then sells the tickets for a profit. The original ticket holder is responsible for the ultimate fate of the tickets. SELL AT YOUR OWN RISK.

For the past several years, the University has begun to more actively investigate ticket resale. Their tactics have included the purchase of tickets from brokerage sites and auction sites (such as ebay), undercover gameday operations, and investigating leads reported to the ticket office. As a result, the >9000 tickets hve been "suspended or revoked," with the ticket priviledges of the original owners at risk of being suspended or revoked. The University web site on this matter is UND.COM :: The Official Site of Notre Dame Athletics The University encourages the reporting of suspected resale violations to: seller1@nd.edu

The University provides means, that comply with University policy, to sell tickets.

Many (most?) alumni oppose selling tickets for over face value. A somewhat dated South Bend Tribune article investgated the 'scalping' of Notre Dame Tickets, the impact on the fans and the University’s position on ticket resale.

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[Ndaccountant]

That doesn't necessarily mean what it seems to mean. It's possible that season ticket demand is low. But it's also possibly that the University simply increased the number of season tickets available for purchase after Crossroads.

They increased years ago, 2007 I believe. Since then, I think it has been flat in terms of allotment, filled or otherwise.

The increase was the building fund "donation", which along with the face value increases, has driven up costs considerably.

 

[dublinirish]

Can someone come up with some new excuses, the current batch of excuses is getting kind of old.

Maybe something along the lines of "I had a dream that God told me to sell my tickets on Stub Hub".

Or justifying it because capitalism yo

 

[RDU Irish]

Hey - congrats to all you ND insiders on your easy access to face value tickets over the years. Sorry your birthright has been revoked. Glad I don't have such great friends as you to leach off of me.

Not surprised the websites are not updated with the proper policy. I could dig through my emails but I'm too busy counting my money and enjoying my new 80" TV.

See you tough guys at the Duke game.

 

[woolybug25]

Hey - congrats to all you ND insiders on your easy access to face value tickets over the years. Sorry your birthright has been revoked. Glad I don't have such great friends as you to leach off of me.

Not surprised the websites are not updated with the proper policy. I could dig through my emails but I'm too busy counting my money and enjoying my new 80" TV.

See you tough guys at the Duke game.

You are a horrid person.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Here's what the alumni association says...

It changed this year and I am willing to bet that website is not updated, especially because if you follow the link in that quote, the website it leads to says nothing about the policy anymore. And that quote says nothing about the new partner for 100% authentic tickets Vivid Seats, so odds are its not updated because that seems like something it makes sense to mention in that paragraph. The main ticket page still says 2016 ticket information!!!!

 

[woolybug25]

It changed this year and I am willing to bet that website is not updated, especially because if you follow the link in that quote, the website it leads to says nothing about the policy anymore. And that quote says nothing about the new partner for 100% authentic tickets Vivid Seats, so odds are its not updated because that seems like something it makes sense to mention in that paragraph. The main ticket page still says 2016 ticket information!!!!

It's updated for this season.

 

[RDU Irish]

They increased years ago, 2007 I believe. Since then, I think it has been flat in terms of allotment, filled or otherwise.

The increase was the building fund "donation", which along with the face value increases, has driven up costs considerably.

They would like to have about 10,000 more season ticket holders. I suspect that will remain a hope and dream at current pricing - however the tiered pricing and options help a lot. Paying as much for your 10th row 50 yard line season seats as the guy in the upper deck endzone buying blind in the lottery is long gone. I would be pissed too if that was yanked out from under me, maybe even feel some loyalty to protect that house from intruders. At these prices though?

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

It's updated for this season.

I don't think theres a way to prove on way or the other, but assuming they didnt change it, why do they allow people to sell them above face on their official ticket exchange? Because people did and there are already a bunch listed above face for USC. Why not build in something to limit the sale price to face value for each section?