Hurricane (The Cyclone) Season 2018

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So far so good this season. Looked back and the last two years this thread opened in October with an "H" storm Harvey and Herimone. This year we open with Florence already a Cat 4 with 130+ mph winds.

We already had Lane in the Pacific which posed a hugh threat to Hawaii but veered wide enough left to do far from the damage feared. There have been some others doing relatively little damage.

Florence IS going to make landfall and cause a lot of damage. Right now it's targeted for Wilmington NC area then tracking up to Raleigh and Danville VA. It's projected to be Cat 1 when it gets to the Raleigh area. There's a High located east of Maine that could block Northern movement of the storm causing a dozen inches of rain from the NC coast to RDU airport, IF CONDITIONS HOLD.

Governors from SC to MD are declaring states of emergency. Mandatory barrier island evacuations.

Big storm.
National Hurricane Center 5pm Advisory has hurricaneforce winds extending outward up to 40 miles from the center and tropical storm force winds extending outward up to 150 miles.
 

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yeah - I'm in Raleigh so not too excited about this one
 

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I have friends in Hilton Head this week. Texted me earlier today saying they were likely being evacuated tomorrow... Said a lot of HH vacationers are pissed (want to stay) as the current cone projection is farther north. I had a week reserved at a HH condo last year around the same time, and they canceled it due to a hurricane...
 

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pissed until you go thru one - not fun - the last one that hit was during the NC state game - left at halftime due to flooding -almost lost my boat due to high waters - did not sleep that night worrying about trees falling and boat-lost power for days- good fun
 

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pissed until you go thru one - not fun - the last one that hit was during the NC state game - left at halftime due to flooding -almost lost my boat due to high waters - did not sleep that night worrying about trees falling and boat-lost power for days- good fun

One of my friends currently in HH is from the SW FL coast. He's been through several. He's pissed because every cone projection is pretty far from HH. Current path/landfall is some where between Myrtle Beach and Hat.
 

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Got another storm hitting Hawaii. This one doesn't look too bad, though. Typhoons just hit Japan and Guam. A Hurricane just blew through Gulf of Mexico. But, hey, climate change ain't no thing right?
 

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11pm HNC Advisory has no change in the size or speed of the storm from the earlier report. Track is now forecast a little further north with landfall north of Camp Lejeune. Then northwest on the eastern side of Raleigh. Still early.


Helen's projected to run up the Mid-Atlantic Ridge west of the Azores by Saturday.


Issac is on a track to go south of Puerto Rico and north of Venezuela on a line with Honduras. Expected to be by the Leeward Islands (Domenica?) by Thursday evening.


Too keep things interesting there's a Disturbance between Yucatan and Cuba. Expected to move northwest. Could grow into Tropical Depression.


In the Pacific, Tropical Depression Paul is about a 1/3 of the way between Cabo San Lucas and Hawaii. Paul's winds are down to 35 mph. Paul is expected to dissipate.
 

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People are f-ing hysterical around here. Holy sh!t we aren't going to have a 100 mile, 350 foot storm surge in Raleigh. We are going to get a lot of rain and some wind knocking over some trees. If you live in this area and are not prepared for going a week without power then you suck at life. Put a new chain on my saw, gassed everything up, stocked up on some essentials, cleaning the gutters tomorrow and batten down the hatches a bit.

Now the folks on the coast, that is a completely different ballgame.

Went to Ft Fisher Aquarium this summer, they have a marker with high water marks from previous hurricanes - they should put that on every beach house for sale in the area. Hazel in 1954 takes the cake and the others weren't even close. This one looks like it has the same potential - I think 20' high water mark which makes 10 or 12 feet look like nothing.

1996 Fran hit Topsail head on with 14 and a half feet surge - well they might be in for more than that in a couple days as this looks to be tracking more Wilmington and north than Southport and west. So many factors including tide tables at time of landfall but up to 20' surge if this hits at Cat 4 would be devastating to whichever beach it hits. Like houses floating out to sea bad.

But not the first time and won't be the last.
 

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HNC 5pm Advisory projects Florence moving a little more southerly with a landfall target (center of cone) at Virginia Creek south of Surf City, north of Top Sail. Then NW of Charlotte/Ashville/Knoxville.

Still days away with a lot of people scrambling and those trying to figure where to scramble to.


Wasn't trying to give Hawaii short shrift last night, NHC only showed the one storm. This morning on the car radio I heard there's one closing on Hawaii. Haven't seen those reports yet.
 

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Some local departments in the South Bend area are sending down their river rescue teams to help with water rescues during/after the hurricane.
 

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At the risk of further confusing everything, there is something that the public and the politicians never could get straight about GCC. The models and the general science do not (at least in the beginnings) predict MORE storms of this nature. What the science predicts is that certain storms will pick up an unusual amount of energy very quickly and that (as the GCC effect grows more and more through the years) there will be increasing numbers of very powerful storms.

This particular one may turn out to be a classic example of that since it grew from a tropical depression into a category 4 with mindboggling quickness. GCC isn't about (at first) more hurricanes, it's about more monsters. Even relatively small odds of a monster forming, and striking where it really hurts, pushes the gamble (even economically) into Bad Bet realms.

Hopefully we will continue to sort of luck out with this season, and the life loss and economic disaster will be as small as possible. As some of you have already read from me, I have given up fighting against GCC because we have already halfway lost the fight (increased heat retention in the ocean) and will lose the rest of it due to nobody really giving a damm. "Fortunately" I live in nicely insulated Michigan, and am 78 years old, so will pass on to Peter's Gate looking sadly back at a world he!l bent on ruining as much of itself as possible.

I DO wish with all my heart the best for you young guys. I also fear for some of you that life will be tougher than it has to be because of things like this. ... and there are LOTS of other "terrible hippie dipsh!t" sorts of these things. Some of them you can help avoid, but not GCC. You're stuck with that.
 

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People are f-ing hysterical around here. Holy sh!t we aren't going to have a 100 mile, 350 foot storm surge in Raleigh. We are going to get a lot of rain and some wind knocking over some trees. If you live in this area and are not prepared for going a week without power then you suck at life. Put a new chain on my saw, gassed everything up, stocked up on some essentials, cleaning the gutters tomorrow and batten down the hatches a bit.

Pretty ignorant comment. You've clearly never been through a major flood. It turns your life upside down.

If you live near moving water and the forecast shows 15 inches of rain -- it IS time to freak out.
 

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Pretty ignorant comment. You've clearly never been through a major flood. It turns your life upside down.

If you live near moving water and the forecast shows 15 inches of rain -- it IS time to freak out.

Not sure if he meant it that way. I have friends and family in coastal areas, a lot in SW FL ranging from 30s to the 70s. The older ones are pretty meh about things, and complain about people not knowing what to do, and people going ape shit. Their opinion is, you live here, you know the risk, you should know how to deal with it in a rational and orderly fashion.
 

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I'm in Wilmington thinking of staying live in a three story house that has hurricane shutters and such
 

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Pretty ignorant comment. You've clearly never been through a major flood. It turns your life upside down.

If you live near moving water and the forecast shows 15 inches of rain -- it IS time to freak out.

IF YOU LIVE IN A FLOOD ZONE. I grew up in Iowa, seen plenty of flooding - bagged my share of sand. You rebuild or move on but you sure as hell don't sit there an wait to be washed away when it is imminent. And if you rebuild in the same flood zone...well your neighbors will still be there to help you out when it happens again. For 99% of the people though - nothingburger.

Freak out though? NO - you should be prepared. The idiots on the weather channel want you to freak out - same idiots reporting from the edge of the ocean. They adjust their two graphics for maximum worst case scenario which just creates the "boy cries wolf" scenario when EVERY storm is the storm of the century. If you live in this area, you need to be prepared for 1 week without power - more if your area has a bad history of power outages (which could be from an ice storm as easily as a hurricane). It is not if, it is when if you are permanent resident.

Been here long enough to see some pretty serious flooding (including the NC State debacle two years ago). People acting like the entire state is going to be washed off the face of the earth are just plain stupid.

I know people heading to the mountains - can't wait for them to get stuck there after 6" of rain and a little wind creates some mudslides and a few downed trees to block roads so they are stuck there for a month.

At the same time - we still don't know what this thing is going to be. Anyone totally freaking out who is not on a barrier island needs to unbunch their panties. And anyone on a barrier island who does not have a plan for these circumstances is just short of brain dead. Pray for them, yes. Worry excessively and freak out, no.
 

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Not sure if he meant it that way. I have friends and family in coastal areas, a lot in SW FL ranging from 30s to the 70s. The older ones are pretty meh about things, and complain about people not knowing what to do, and people going ape shit. Their opinion is, you live here, you know the risk, you should know how to deal with it in a rational and orderly fashion.

Bingo
 

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Some local departments in the South Bend area are sending down their river rescue teams to help with water rescues during/after the hurricane.

We’re supposed to send six guys down from my department. Probably in the second wave, as in Monday.
 

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Praying that the storm weakens and doesn't bounce around the coast for long. The surge + rain could create some crazy flooding scenarios. My buddy said a big problem is people not knowing what their sea level / flood potential is, or uneducated "brave" folks (who don't have a good plan)... There are some people that feel they can't afford to leave, and I feel especially bad for those folks. One thing I think the gov and the Weather Channel could do better is publishing the shelters available.

The other group I fear for, is the homeless. The WC interviewed a guy on his way in to the zone who was going to help support around 1500 homeless folks living in the woods around the bar district in one of the towns.
 

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My son and his wife live in Wilmington. They are planning on staying, can't talk them out of it so far.
 

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The Cajun Navy is sending 1200+ volunteers to the area. Great stuff.
 

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It's a very serious event and I hope everyone stays safe. But to lighten the mood a bit....I mean, who puts out this graphic?

Florence-map.jpg
 

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My son and his wife live in Wilmington. They are planning on staying, can't talk them out of it so far.

One of my sisters live there. She's on a Med cruise she planned a year ago. Her adult son boarded her windows today, sandbagged the doors and garage. I looked at USGS topo maps today her house appears to be at Elev. 25 with a first floor elevation of about 30 feet. Her house is almost exactly on the 11pm NHC Expected center line for landfall. It appears expected landfall will be around the Seabreeze Park, Mason Bend subdivisions around Navaho Trail switching back and forth behind maps. At best she's a few blocks away. But hey this is like nukes a few blocks is negligible.

Her son is staying at a rental in an old buidling he lives in downtown a 8 or 10 blocks east of the Cape Fear River. He's tells me he has 3 days worth of food. I told him to go back to mom's and take every can of food in the house. If the rain (worst case 40 inches) and wind forecast take place as this storm hovers I suspect outages of a week or more not a few days. He's parking his car in a raised parking deck.

I have a cousin who lives on an mainland inlet in Wilmington. They put up the boat, closed the house and evacuated to ... Charleston where her daughter lives. Talk about a rock and a hard place. She might go on to her son's place in Atlanta ... another possible target on the inland route.

My sister in Virginia Beach evacuated to her son's place up neat D.C. She's happy she's getting to see the grandkids.

Lots of disrupted and relocating people.

Utility trucks are already loaded in Alabama to render mutual assistance restoring power when cleared to do so.


P.S. I live in the Birmingham metro area. I had offered the relatives a place to stay here far from Florence if they wanted to drive this far. We got added to the Cone earlier today. We appear very unlikely to get anything providing my cousin Florence seems to be chasing stays away.
 
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/09/11/646790793/hog-farmers-scramble-to-drain-waste-pools-ahead-of-hurricane-florence

Hog Farmers Scramble to Drain Waste Pools Ahead Of Hurricane Florence
September 11, 20184:56 PM ET
Just inland from the North Carolina coast, right in the path of Hurricane Florence, there's an area where there are many more pigs than people. Each big hog farm has one or more open-air "lagoons" filled with manure, and some could be vulnerable to flooding if the hurricane brings as much rain as feared.

Katy Langley lives downstream from many of those farms. "When you fly over the area, you can't throw a rock without hitting one," she says. "You see these long barns and these square shapes that are Pepto Bismol pink, because swine waste is bright pink. Fun fact of the day!"

It's actually bacteria, feeding on the waste, that turn the ponds pink. These lagoons are like a pile of compost. They're a cheap way to handle animal waste.

But for Langley, the lagoons are a threat. She works for an environmentalist organization called Sound Rivers, and she's specifically assigned to protect the Neuse River. With thousands of those lagoons just sitting there, open to the weather, with a Category 4 hurricane on the way, Langley is worried that a whole lot of manure is going to wash into the rivers.

Farmers are worried, too.

"We're probably going to get hit on the nose with this, so flooding's our biggest concern," says Marlowe Vaughan of Ivy Spring Creek Farm in Goldsboro, N.C.

The hog houses themselves are safe from flooding, she says, but paths leading to them could be flooded, so that workers will have to get to them by boat.

On her farm, they're spending part of the day pumping liquid waste out of their lagoons, spraying it as fertilizer on nearby fields, so there's more room for incoming rainfall.

Experts at North Carolina State University say that if farmers manage to do this ahead of the hurricane, lagoons should be able to handle almost three feet of rain.

But these facilities haven't ever been forced to accommodate that much rain. I ask Vaughan if the ponds really could handle such a deluge.

"We don't really know," she says. "I mean, we try to pump down as much as we can, but after that, it's kind of in God's hands. We're kind of at the mercy of the storm."

Here's the really bad scenario: Water starts overflowing and erodes the lagoon wall, causing a wall to collapse, spreading animal waste across the landscape and into rivers.

Rising rivers could also inundate some low-lying lagoons and hog houses. About 60 of them lie within what the state of North Carolina considers the 100-year-flood plain. Animals in those houses may need to be evacuated for the flood waters rise.

There used to be more swine in the flood plain, but after Hurricane Floyd, in 1999, the state bought out some hog farmers in low-lying areas and shut them down.

Some lagoons flooded again during Hurricane Matthew, two years ago, but lagoon walls didn't collapse.

But Vaughan says, history may not be a guide. It sounds like Florence could be worse. "We really just don't know," she says. "We have no idea what's going to happen. So everybody's very worried and very concerned. Please pray for us!"

Correction
Sept. 11, 2018
A previous Web version of this story said that a state of emergency in North Carolina allows farmers to spray more manure on more fields. This is not the case. The state of emergency does temporarily remove restrictions on the size and weight of trucks carrying livestock, poultry or animal feed.
 

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hurricane-florence-could-flood-north-carolina-s-hog-manure-pits-n908726

Hurricane Florence could flood North Carolina's hog manure pits, taint drinking water
It's happened before: When Hurricane Floyd struck in 1999, carcasses of hogs, chickens and other drowned livestock bobbed in a soup of toxic fecal matter.
by Associated Press / Sep.12.2018 / 8:34 AM ET

Hurricane Florence's heavy rains could cause an environmental disaster in North Carolina, where waste from hog manure pits, coal ash dumps and other industrial sites could wash into homes and threaten drinking water supplies.

Computer models predict more than 3 feet of rain in the eastern part of the state, a fertile low-lying plain veined by brackish rivers with a propensity for escaping their banks. Longtime locals don't have to strain their imaginations to foresee what rain like that can do. It's happened before.

In September 1999, Hurricane Floyd came ashore near Cape Fear as a Category 2 storm that dumped about 2 feet of water on a region already soaked days earlier by Hurricane Dennis. The result was the worst natural disaster in state history, a flood that killed dozens of people and left whole towns underwater, their residents stranded on rooftops.

The bloated carcasses of hundreds of thousands of hogs, chickens and other drowned livestock bobbed in a nose-stinging soup of fecal matter, pesticides, fertilizer and gasoline so toxic that fish flopped helplessly on the surface to escape it. Rescue workers smeared Vick's Vapo-Rub under their noses to try to numb their senses against the stench.

Florence is forecast to make landfall in the same region as a much stronger storm.

"This one is pretty scary," said Jamie Kruse, director of the Center for Natural Hazards Research at East Carolina University. "The environmental impacts will be from concentrated animal feeding operations and coal ash pits. Until the system gets flushed out, there's going to be a lot of junk in the water."

North Carolina has roughly 2,100 industrial-scale pork farms containing more than 9 million hogs — typically housed in long metal sheds with grated floors designed to allow the animals' urine and feces to fall through and flow into nearby open-air pits containing millions of gallons of untreated sewage.

During Floyd, dozens of these lagoons either breached or were overtopped by floodwaters, spilling the contents. State taxpayers ended up buying out and closing 43 farms located in floodplains.

To prepare for Florence, the North Carolina Pork Council says its members have pumped down lagoon levels to absorb at least 2 feet of rain. Low-lying farms have been moving their hogs to higher ground.

"Our farmers and others in the pork industry are working together to take precautions that will protect our farms, our animals and our environment," said Brandon Warren, the pork council's president and a hog farmer. "The preparations for a hurricane began long before the past few hours or days. Our farmers take hurricane threats extremely seriously."

The Environmental Protection Agency said Tuesday that it would be monitoring nine toxic waste cleanup sites near the Carolinas coast for potential flooding. More than a dozen such Superfund sites in and around Houston flooded last year in the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey, with spills of potentially hazardous materials reported at two.

Also of concern are more than two dozen massive coal ash pits operated by Duke Energy, the state's primary electricity provider. The gray ash that remains after coal is burned contains potentially harmful amounts of mercury, arsenic and lead.

Since power plants need vast amounts of water to generate steam, their unlined waste pits are located along lakes and rivers. Some of the pits were inundated during past storms, including during Floyd and Hurricane Matthew in 2016.

After a 2014 spill at a Duke plant coated 70 miles of the Dan River in toxic gray sludge, state regulators forced the Charlotte-based company to begin phasing out its coal ash pits by 2029. Because that work was already underway, wastewater levels inside the ash ponds have been falling, Duke Energy spokesman Bill Norton said Tuesday.

"We're more prepared than ever," said Norton, adding that crews will be monitoring water levels at the pits throughout the storm.

The company is also preparing for potential shutdown of nuclear reactors at least two hours before the arrival of hurricane-force winds. Duke operates 11 reactors at six sites in the Carolinas, including the Brunswick Nuclear Plant located south of Wilmington near the mouth of the Cape Fear River.

The Brunswick plant's two reactors are of the same design as those in Fukushima, Japan, that exploded and leaked radiation following a 2011 earthquake and tsunami. Following that disaster, federal regulators required all U.S. nuclear plants to perform upgrades to better withstand earthquakes and flooding.

Duke Energy did not respond to requests for information about specific changes made at Brunswick, other than to say emergency generators and pumps will remove stormwater at the plant if it floods. The company issued assurances this week that it is ready for Florence, which is predicted to pack winds of up to 140 miles per hour and a 13-foot storm surge.

"They were safe then. They are even safer now," said Kathryn Green, a Duke spokeswoman, referring to the post-Fukushima improvements. "We have backups for backups for backups."
 
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