Hiestand and the OL

[Riddickulous]

What the hell is wrong? With all this talent we should be dominating the trenches and instead we're giving up 7 sacks in a single game and can't get any push in the running game against patsies like Purdue and Syracuse.

What's the deal? Were our expectations too high? Is it coaching? Scheme? All of the above?

 

[anarin]

Maybe a qb not recognizing blitzes? Considering it was the extra outside pressure getting home.

 

[Buster Bluth]

In this forum:

A loss? "We need to question everything."

A win? "Obviously a National Championship is right around the corner."

A bye? "See you in the gentlemen's thread?"

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

is the design of the offense bro, simple as that.

 

[Bluto]

Elemer got trucked pretty bad on a couple plays, however I think bad QB decisions cost ND this one.

 

[koonja]

In this forum:

A loss? "We need to question everything."

A win? "Obviously a National Championship is right around the corner."

A bye? "See you in the gentlemen's thread?"

The only thing more predictable than the above, is you being the one to call everyone out.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Were our expectations too high?

Almost certainly. People here act like this OL recruiting gives Notre Dame a free pass and that the offense should be able build off that against any team. It doesn't work that way.

Arizona State was a top ten team, and one that only allowed 10, 10, and 16 in their last three games. They are an aggressive defense and it showed.

Once Notre Dame went with McDaniel they were much better. That should say something about the OL. They got Folston and Koyack out of there and put all of the pressure on the OL and the OL responded positively. Again, that should say something.

Is it coaching? Scheme? All of the above?

Scheme blew this game. But it has gotten better this season as Kelly introduced sweeps, motions, screens, and roll outs that we didn't see earlier in the season. Against Purdue we saw none of that and that's why they were awful, unblocked LBs just wrecked everything after one simple read. Now, it's better. It didn't show this game obviously because of the general gameplan.

A lot of it is Golson though, or so it seems. Pretty often he looks at one side of the field and if it's not open he looks to juke around in the pocket. For example just on the first drive he sacked himself when he ran in under the RT unwisely. Golson needs hot routes.

 

[IrishLax]

I think. I need to watch the game again, but clearly a big issue was simply our ridiculously illogical offensive gameplan in the first half. Played right into the hands of a blitz happy defense. At the same time, blocking by the interior OL is still laughably uncoordinated at times and I don't know whose fault that is.

 

[GoIrish41]

Five turnovers by Golson killed us today. He also made a lot of mistakes that did not result in turnovers. His aaccuracy wad not great. The Koyak first down in the fourth and the big play by Prosise were horrible throws that could have been disasterous. He seemed rattled and confused the whole game.

 

[ulukinatme]

Heistand is the best in the business, it's blasphemous to say otherwise!

 

[T Town Tommy]

Maybe a qb not recognizing blitzes? Considering it was the extra outside pressure getting home.

One of my keys to the game I posted out a few days ago was if Golson could check out of plays properly. He seemed to struggle with that. The OL struggled as well but it isn't easy for everyone to know every play where to go. Fairly young lines have trouble all the time with this. It isn't an indictment on them or the OL coach. Just gotta get better in all phases of the trenches. It will come. Too much talent there not to.

 

[irish4ever]

Five turnovers by Golson killed us today. He also made a lot of mistakes that did not result in turnovers. His aaccuracy wad not great. The Koyak first down in the fourth and the big play by Prosise were horrible throws that could have been disasterous. He seemed rattled and confused the whole game.[/QUOTE
Not blaming it all on Golson, but he flat out SUCKED today! Heisman hopeful .... Bwahahahaha

 

[West Coast Domer]

Too much shuffling along the line. We can certainly do better than Lomabrd at RT as well. Him and Elmer have been awful.

 

[dmort]

Better recruit some 5 star linemen as a top priority.

 

[Irishman77]

Easy answer...too nice!
Enough powder puffing and blowing smoke up each other's ass...

Put your hand in the dirt and bite some ball bags!

Niklas would give this young group a different look entirely!

Koyack is the arm pit of this unit and needs to split out where he can prance or join a fuking sewing circle!

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Hiestand and the OL

Easy answer...too nice!
Enough powder puffing and blowing smoke up each other's ass...

Put your hand in the dirt and bite some ball bags!

Niklas would give this young group a different look entirely!

Koyack is the arm pit of this unit and needs to split out where he can prance or join a fuking sewing circle!

Elmer is always wearing glasses in pictures. He needs to dump those, go cross-eyed, and drink paint at parties.

 

[ulukinatme]

Better recruit some 5 star linemen as a top priority.

The quality of our linemen should be good. We just need to develop better, and possibly change our blocking scheme.

 

[Mr. Larson]

Hiestand's O-line= Blanche Devereaux"s vagina

 

[ulukinatme]

Warinner's OL did a pretty good job dominating the Spartans tonight, and with arguably less talent. Wonder how much Heistand's recruiting prowess really is benefiting us. They're averaging 100 more rushing yards a game over us.

 

[Bluto]

Warinner's OL did a pretty good job dominating the Spartans tonight, and with arguably less talent. Wonder how much Heistand's recruiting prowess really is benefiting us. They're averaging 100 more rushing yards a game over us.

They use designed QB runs way more than ND and that kid Barrett tore it up.

 

[stlnd01]

Warinner's OL did a pretty good job dominating the Spartans tonight, and with arguably less talent. Wonder how much Heistand's recruiting prowess really is benefiting us. They're averaging 100 more rushing yards a game over us.

I did hear the name of Taylor Decker called out for some good pulling block when I was briefly watching the OSU-MSU game, and thought what might have been. But, I don't know if it's fair to compare different offenses and lay the difference on the O-Line coach. I'd suspect we throw more than OSU does, by design.

 

[ulukinatme]

I did hear the name of Taylor Decker called out for some good pulling block when I was briefly watching the OSU-MSU game, and thought what might have been. But, I don't know if it's fair to compare different offenses and lay the difference on the O-Line coach. I'd suspect we throw more than OSU does, by design.

They don't average much less passing yards than we do a game, I think it was about 40 yards. Their running game is skrong though, and to be honest we opened good holes for our running backs under Warriner. We used a different blocking scheme back then though.

 

[Irish2155]

They brought everybody and their brother last night. When Cam was in the backfield at least we had a chance of getting the ball off. Last night really showed the difference in the backs, IMO. Cam played a good game, blocking.

 

[BoredIrish]

Found this interesting.

I've always wondered how ND could be so poor on short yardage considering the horses we have on the O-line.

I guess its not unique to the Irish:

One key statistic that’s stood out to me is how ineffective Alabama has been in third-and-short. This past season on third down with 1-3 yards to gain, the Crimson Tide converted just 13-of-26 times and averaged 1.54 yards per carry, the worst of the Saban era.

Part of the reason why the team can’t take the air out of the ball with a lead in the fourth quarter is those struggles up front.

I thought Alabama’s offensive line overall was much better than it was in 2021. The average first-down run went for 5.7 yards, up from 4.38 in 2021 and bettering the great offensive line from 2020 (5.69). However, 18.5 percent of running back rushes on first down went for zero yards or a loss, which ranked 91st, per TruMedia.

Alabama mailbag: Defensive coordinator update? Is O-line's physical identity returning?

 

[Irish du Nord]

Found this interesting.

I've always wondered how ND could be so poor on short yardage considering the horses we have on the O-line.

I guess its not unique to the Irish:

One key statistic that’s stood out to me is how ineffective Alabama has been in third-and-short. This past season on third down with 1-3 yards to gain, the Crimson Tide converted just 13-of-26 times and averaged 1.54 yards per carry, the worst of the Saban era.

Part of the reason why the team can’t take the air out of the ball with a lead in the fourth quarter is those struggles up front.

I thought Alabama’s offensive line overall was much better than it was in 2021. The average first-down run went for 5.7 yards, up from 4.38 in 2021 and bettering the great offensive line from 2020 (5.69). However, 18.5 percent of running back rushes on first down went for zero yards or a loss, which ranked 91st, per TruMedia.

Alabama mailbag: Defensive coordinator update? Is O-line's physical identity returning?

Credit to Hiestand and Tommy, though, we were much better running the ball on third down this year than in years past. Having Diggs and Estime as the ball carriers definitely helps, too.

 

[NDdomer2]

Credit to Hiestand and Tommy, though, we were much better running the ball on third down this year than in years past. Having Diggs and Estime as the ball carriers definitely helps, too.

I thought we had one of the worst 3rd and short conversion rates in the country?

 

[Old Man Mike]

There's SO much more to third-and-short success than the "push" from your 5 OLine.
How do people not know this?

Example: a. Power in the runner's lower body.
b. "Lowness" of his attack posture.
c. Hitting the designed hole with conviction, not hesitation.
d. Barring that, having the rare gift of sliding behind the pile-up.

And these are just the RB characteristics. There is also play creation using jumbo packages, better calls, fullbacks, backside push plays ...
Notre Dame rarely does any of that (in spite of the fact that that dammed Shaw rammed it down our throats for years. )

"All" you have to do to stop "push" (typically) is sell out putting bigs in each of the gaps (or if you have a WarDaddy, one on the nose) with two LBs behind in attack mode. Your bigs scrumble up the OLine's legs and make a pile, and your LBs clean up... UNLESS the offense has a QB who the OC believes can make other sorts of plays. ... which is usually not NDs situation.

NOT the OLine.
Again.