Head Coaching Carousel

[ACamp1900]

Do you know who's in the BIG West?

A bunch of programs that are still better than Purdue... lol. I get Lousiville isn't Ohio State, but their ceiling is far higher than Purdue's imo... at least currently.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

A bunch of programs that are still better than Purdue... lol. I get Lousiville isn't Ohio State, but their ceiling is far higher than Purdue's imo... at least currently.

What?
Purdue:
4 points away from upsetting NW (even with Sindelar's 3 INTs)
3 points from beating (SEC) Mizzou
Beat BC by 17
took care of Nebraska
Upset OSU
Hung-on til the end in East Lansing
Beat Iowa

I know what the record is. I also know the talent (lack there of) that Brohm is working with.

That guy is hella, hella close to winning a Big West.

If he goes to Lville he literally has to "wait" for a "maybe Saban retirement, Dabo leaving situation".

I disagree, 100%.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

A bunch of programs that are still better than Purdue... lol. I get Lousiville isn't Ohio State, but their ceiling is far higher than Purdue's imo... at least currently.

Additionally (forgot to include in prior post):

Who are the "bunch of programs that are still better" in the West? Enlighten me.

 

[greyhammer90]

On paper, not in spirit. Dude is a legend there.

A legend? It's not like this is a Scott Frost situation, he only went 15-10 when he played for them. It's more like "a hot name who is conveniently an old alum."

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

A legend? It's not like this is a Scott Frost situation, he only went 15-10 when he played for them. It's more like "a hot name who is conveniently an old alum."

(situational) legend (possibly to be).

Yeah, not trying to imply this is a UT hiring Peyton Manning situation lol.

 

[ACamp1900]

What?
Purdue:
4 points away from upsetting NW (even with Sindelar's 3 INTs)
3 points from beating (SEC) Mizzou
Beat BC by 17
took care of Nebraska
Upset OSU
Hung-on til the end in East Lansing
Beat Iowa

I know what the record is. I also know the talent (lack there of) that Brohm is working with.

That guy is hella, hella close to winning a Big West.

If he goes to Lville he literally has to "wait" for a "maybe Saban retirement, Dabo leaving situation".

I disagree, 100%.

Interesting...

So, getting smashed in the BIG title game because you're in a total shit division (that you can't win anyway to begin with and almost certainly won't win moving forward) is better than being second fiddle to Clemson... okay boss. Louisville >>>> Purdue as a program and the gap is pretty big. If you disagree then "Te Salud"...

 

[ACamp1900]

Additionally (forgot to include in prior post):

Who are the "bunch of programs that are still better" in the West? Enlighten me.

Are you serious?? Every freaking program in that division not named Illinois is better than Purdue 'as a program'... your opinion of the Boilermakers is way higher than mine clearly, they're arguably one ten or so worst P5 programs.

 

[china423]

ND's first game next year is at Louisville, correct?

 

[IrishLion]

A legend? It's not like this is a Scott Frost situation, he only went 15-10 when he played for them. It's more like "a hot name who is conveniently an old alum."

Nah, he is a legend at Louisville.

The whole family is well regarded because of their many connections to the city and school, but Jeff specifically is the awaited savior. It's less to do with his history as a player for the school, and more about his general attitude and personality to those that have been around the program.

I had friends on staff the first time Petrino was there (2003-2006), which coincided with Brohm's first stint there as QB coach, and basically from the start they were talking about waiting for him to climb the ladder, get his experience running a program, and come home to replace a triumphant and victoriously-retired Petrino.

Petrino's end of that deal didn't quite work out the way they envisioned, but they've all been hanging their hats on Brohm for a while.

 

[arrowryan]

ND's first game next year is at Louisville, correct?

Yup. I think ND's roster will be too talented, but Brohm will have them on track in a hurry. Good hire if true.

 

[greyhammer90]

ND's first game next year is at Louisville, correct?

Yes. Extremely unfortunate that BVG is already gone. Chip Long would have been arrested for murder at half time.

 

[Irish YJ]

Personally I'd rather be in the BigWest, competing with Wisconsin/NW/Iowa, than in the ACC Atlantic competing with, and recruiting against Clemson and FSU. Clemson isn't going anywhere for a very long time, and FSU will find their way back quicker than Louisville. I'd love it though if he could knock Clemson off their perch.

If Louisville is his dream job, and where he wants to end up and retire, I'm all for it, and hope he does well. And that's what the narrative reads like. If he stalls out there and gets canned in 5 or so years, everyone will say he should have stayed. If he does well there and takes a bigger job in 4 or 5 years, everyone will see him a money first BSer like all the other coaches who has a dream school.

We shall see. Hate to see him go. Enjoyed watching PU make waves with him there. Will be interesting to see who PU goes after. Petriino? LOL

 

[IrishLion]

Nah, he is a legend at Louisville.

The whole family is well regarded because of their many connections to the city and school, but Jeff specifically is the awaited savior. It's less to do with his history as a player for the school, and more about his general attitude and personality to those that have been around the program.

I had friends on staff the first time Petrino was there (2003-2006), which coincided with Brohm's first stint there as QB coach, and basically from the start they were talking about waiting for him to climb the ladder, get his experience running a program, and come home to replace a triumphant and victoriously-retired Petrino.

Petrino's end of that deal didn't quite work out the way they envisioned, but they've all been hanging their hats on Brohm for a while.

He's also a cult hero with everyone because of the XFL video.

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[FightingIrishLover7]

Are you serious?? Every freaking program in that division not named Illinois is better than Purdue 'as a program'... your opinion of the Boilermakers is way higher than mine clearly, they're arguably one ten or so worst P5 programs.

WUT lol.

Have you seen Purdue's trajectory? Have you seen who've the beaten/almost beaten?

They literally beat Iowa and Nebraska (with the almighty Scott Frost). They beat OHIO STATE. Almost beat MSU. Beat a decent SEC team.

Who is better right now? Have you watched the BIG West? He beat those teams, Wisconsin looks like a complete disaster... Minnesota too? Lol. You only mentioned Illinois as worse, any way.

I am not guaranteeing that it's Purdue's to win. I am saying he's playing for a championship appearance, immediately.

That is 100% not the chance at Louisville.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I mean, for crying out loud, Purdue was only a couple plays away from winning the BIG West in his second year.

But, he has no path in stacked BIG West...lol

 

[Luckylucci]

Personally I'd rather be in the BigWest, competing with Wisconsin/NW/Iowa, than in the ACC Atlantic competing with, and recruiting against Clemson and FSU. Clemson isn't going anywhere for a very long time, and FSU will find their way back quicker than Louisville. I'd love it though if he could knock Clemson off their perch.

If Louisville is his dream job, and where he wants to end up and retire, I'm all for it, and hope he does well. And that's what the narrative reads like. If he stalls out there and gets canned in 5 or so years, everyone will say he should have stayed. If he does well there and takes a bigger job in 4 or 5 years, everyone will see him a money first BSer like all the other coaches who has a dream school.

We shall see. Hate to see him go. Enjoyed watching PU make waves with him there. Will be interesting to see who PU goes after. Petriino? LOL

When UL has been good, it's not because they are winning recruiting battles against FSU and Clemson. Meaning, they aren't having to win head to head recruiting battles to be competitive. It's just like at Purdue, he didn't have to out recruit Nebraska or Iowa to field a better team.

 

[ACamp1900]

WUT lol.

Have you seen Purdue's trajectory? Have you seen who've the beaten/almost beaten?

They literally beat Iowa and Nebraska (with the almighty Scott Frost). They beat OHIO STATE. Almost beat MSU. Beat a decent SEC team.

Who is better right now? Have you watched the BIG West? He beat those teams, Wisconsin looks like a complete disaster... Minnesota too? Lol. You only mentioned Illinois as worse, any way.

I am not guaranteeing that it's Purdue's to win. I am saying he's playing for a championship appearance, immediately.

That is 100% not the chance at Louisville.

Purdue as a program is AWFUL at football though and that's my point... I argued the talk of "lateral move", and it's not because Louisville is a better program. I'd bet he's getting more money too. You can argue how Purdue can fake the funk if Nebraska stays down and Wisky and Iowa trend down but that doesn't mean Purdue>>> Louisville as a program, like at all. Purdue is one of the worst P5 programs and he did what you are noting there. If he can beat those teams regularly at Purdue (I don't think he can but that seems to be your point) then he can beat FSU and even Clemson once he's rolling at Louisville. Louisville has won nine of more games ten times since 2000 and has actually been in the natty discussion a couple of times... Purdue won nine games once this century and Purdue and natty are as apart from each other as you or I are from Salma Hayek.

 

[IrishLion]

I mean, for crying out loud, Purdue was only a couple plays away from winning the BIG West in his second year.

But, he has no path in stacked BIG West...lol

The B1G West isn't stacked, but I think it'd be harder to maintain and consistently recruit at Purdue than it will be for him at Louisville. It's easier to set up pipelines when you're recruiting to Louisville and playing in the ACC. The midwest, atlantic coast, and southeast are all available for recruiting. Purdue has to strike gold with under-the-radar kids from Indiana, OH, KY and occasionally IL.

He did well in his first two years, obviously, but you can't count on a Rondale Moore coming to Purdue every year, or even a Milton Wright. At Louisville, he's getting those guys yearly.

There are less obstacles in the ACC, although the one current obstacle is a BIG obstacle, but I think Louisville in the ACC is more sustainable than recruiting to West Lafayette, even with Clemson looming over everything.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Purdue as a program is AWFUL

He's been at the school for two years (with great, great signs of growth). Why are you insinuating that the past has anything to do with the future?

 

[ACamp1900]

I mean, for crying out loud, Purdue was only a couple plays away from winning the BIG West in his second year.

But, he has no path in stacked BIG West...lol

You're stuck on this lone point... I'm stuck on "Louisville is a lateral move". The Big West is crappy, that doesn't suddenly make Purdue a legit P5 program. If he can get Purdue to a Big title game consistently he can take an actual legit program to bigger and better in the ACC.

 

[Luckylucci]

WUT lol.

Have you seen Purdue's trajectory? Have you seen who've the beaten/almost beaten?

They literally beat Iowa and Nebraska (with the almighty Scott Frost). They beat OHIO STATE. Almost beat MSU. Beat a decent SEC team.

Who is better right now? Have you watched the BIG West? He beat those teams, Wisconsin looks like a complete disaster... Minnesota too? Lol. You only mentioned Illinois as worse, any way.

I am not guaranteeing that it's Purdue's to win. I am saying he's playing for a championship appearance, immediately.

That is 100% not the chance at Louisville.

Well, if you go off talent on the roster and assume he can get his talent to play "better", he's starting with substantially more talent at UL than he did at Purdue. Purdue finished dead last in Big 10 recruiting in 2016 and 2017. And if you look at what he did with Purdue's 2018 recruiting because he's the coach and recruiter. Then it's easy to assume he'd do the same at UL.

 

[ACamp1900]

Well, if you go off talent on the roster and assume he can get his talent to play "better", he's starting with substantially more talent at UL than he did at Purdue. Purdue finished dead last in Big 10 recruiting in 2016 and 2017. And if you look at what he did with Purdue's 2018 recruiting because he's the coach and recruiter. Then it's easy to assume he'd do the same at UL.

 

[Irish YJ]

Are you serious?? Every freaking program in that division not named Illinois is better than Purdue 'as a program'... your opinion of the Boilermakers is way higher than mine clearly, they're arguably one ten or so worst P5 programs.

PU has been investing a lot in the FB program, and are probably more committed now than ever that I can remember. From a futures perspective, I'd buy more PU than NW, IL, or Iowa. MN and Nebraska are spending as well. Wiscy will likely always be the cream in terms of long term spending and commitment. Worst 10 P5 programs? come on man. NW would be on the list before PU if we're talking all-time.

A legend? It's not like this is a Scott Frost situation, he only went 15-10 when he played for them. It's more like "a hot name who is conveniently an old alum."

I have two childhood friends from Indy that migrated to Louisville. Both ND fans btw. Both have said for some time now that Brohm is extremely well regarded. It's not just a situation where he is a hot name and happens to be an x-player. There's a reason he's been very vocal about his love for the university for a good while.

 

[Luckylucci]

The B1G West isn't stacked, but I think it'd be harder to maintain and consistently recruit at Purdue than it will be for him at Louisville. It's easier to set up pipelines when you're recruiting to Louisville and playing in the ACC. The midwest, atlantic coast, and southeast are all available for recruiting. Purdue has to strike gold with under-the-radar kids from Indiana, OH, KY and occasionally IL.

He did well in his first two years, obviously, but you can't count on a Rondale Moore coming to Purdue every year, or even a Milton Wright. At Louisville, he's getting those guys yearly.
There are less obstacles in the ACC, although the one current obstacle is a BIG obstacle, but I think Louisville in the ACC is more sustainable than recruiting to West Lafayette, even with Clemson looming over everything.

Precisely, and if Brohm was at UL so would Rondale Moore. Along with lots of better players around him. Brohm is the sauce at Purde, not Purdue. Hence them sucking so much ass recruiting before him.

 

[calvegas04]

Louisville is one play away from the death penalty

 

[ACamp1900]

Worst 10 P5 programs? come on man. NW would be on the list before PU if we're talking all-time.
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I think they'd both have a very strong case.... and yes they are easily in the discussion of ten worst P5s imo... For Purdue, historically maybe but right now, this century or this lifetime? Yeah, I think they are in that discussion however you shift the goal posts.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Precisely, and if Brohm was at UL so would Rondale Moore. Along with lots of better players around him. Brohm is the sauce at Purde, not Purdue. Hence them sucking so much ass recruiting before him.

Why can he not stay at Purdue and continue to own Louisville? He doesn't have to coach there there to own the city... He already has his Trinity connection on lock down, regardless where he coaches.

He'd be shipping players to Knoxville too if he would have taken that job.

The path to #1 in the division is easier in BIG West, period.
The path to #2 is, comparable (he'd have BC, NCSt, and (maybe) Syracuse nipping at hom)...wouldn't say those are gimmie programs.

 

[Luckylucci]

And just to be clear on this recruiting topic. Purdue had by far and away it's most successful recruiting class in 2018, since 2012. UL still was rated ahead, 30 versus 51. Not even close and Purdue had more commits 25 to 23.

You'd have to go back to 2012 to find a Purdue class was that was ranked in the top 50, at 49. 2018 was at 51 and was the next class that came close. Routinely ranked outside the top 60. On the other hand, UL's lowest finish is 45 during that timeframe. Routinely in the top 40.

 

[NDBoiler]

I think they'd both have a very strong case.... and yes they are easily in the discussion of ten worst P5s imo... For Purdue, historically maybe but right now, this century or this lifetime? Yeah, I think they are in that discussion however you shift the goal posts.

http://www.winsipedia.com/ranking/all-time-record

Acamp is close, but Purdue isn’t in the bottom 10 of P5 teams in all time win percentage. By my count looks like they are about 15th from the bottom.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Louisville is one play away from the death penalty

This is another factor that ought to be considered.

He's not only taking over a hot-seat, but possibly an electric chair too. (I don't actually believe that would happen, but it's something that him/his consults would need to address).