Head Coaching Carousel

[Luckylucci]

Why can he not stay at Purdue and continue to own Louisville? He doesn't have to coach there there to own the city... He already has his Trinity connection on lock down, regardless where he coaches.

He'd be shipping players to Knoxville too if he would have taken that job.

The path to #1 in the division is easier in BIG West, period.
The path to #2 is, comparable (he'd have BC, NCSt, and (maybe) Syracuse nipping at hom)...wouldn't say those are gimmie programs.

Because he can probably own more than Louisville is he goes there. Obviously Louisville, without him, recruits substantially better than Purdue with him. If he can get Purdue recruiting to the level they are with him, probably makes sense he could take UL to another level, right?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Can someone answer how a school's "history" dictates future success?

I feel like right time/place/opportunity far exceeds the factor of "history".

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Because he can probably own more than Louisville is he goes there. Obviously Louisville, without him, recruits substantially better than Purdue with him. If he can get Purdue recruiting to the level they are with him, probably makes sense he could take UL to another level, right?

What "level" are you referring to? #2 in ACC A?

Impressive.

 

[ACamp1900]

Can someone answer how a school's "history" dictates future success?

I feel like right time/place/opportunity far exceeds the factor of "history".

It def plays into it man, and my point wasn't just on history, others took it there... Actually historically, all things told, Louisville is pretty shitty too. Purdue has just not been a good program for a number of years, while Louisville has been much better and is a much more desirable job right now... and it sounds like Jeff Brohm agrees with that. Purdue might have been able to take a step or two under him in the near future, that doesn't make Purdue on par with Louisville as a program or make this move a lateral one which is really my entire point, everything else is just side noise.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Last thing I'm going to ask.

At what school do you guys believe Brohm has a greater chance of making a conference championship game at, this coming season?

 

[ACamp1900]

Last thing I'm going to ask.

At what school do you guys believe Brohm has a greater chance of making a conference championship game at, this coming season?

Next season, obviously Purdue, easily... beyond that the higher ceiling is at Louisville, easily.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think they'd both have a very strong case.... and yes they are easily in the discussion of ten worst P5s imo... For Purdue, historically maybe but right now, this century or this lifetime? Yeah, I think they are in that discussion however you shift the goal posts.

pick a goal post...

historically worst 30 listed below. PU #20. Louisville barely better than PU. 4 teams out of the BigWest made the bottom 30 (NW, IL, PU, Iowa).

Wake Forest
Indiana
NW
Iowa St
Kansas St
Oregon St
Kansas
Miss St
Vandy
Duke
KY
WashSt
Rutgers
IL
Baylor
NC State
S Carolina
OK State
Virginia
Purdue (tie)
Maryland
Louisville
Iowa
TCU
Missouri
Cal
Texas Tech
North Carolina
Ole Miss
Oregon

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Next season, obviously Purdue, easily... beyond that the higher ceiling is at Louisville, easily.

What do you mean by, "beyond"?
Year 2?
If/when Dabo leaves his dynasty?

I'm at a loss.

 

[BobbyMac]

You guys comparing Purdue to Louisville are forgetting a BIG factor... Louisville pays.

Brohm's Purdue contract is $3.7M per... Petrino's $3.5M was done in 2014 and had a $10M buyout. (They paid him $14M to go away). Considering when the contracts were conceived, Louisville paid more.

Basketball: Pitino was making north of $7.5M. (Which was #3 behind Coach K and Calapari) Even Chris Mack's new salary is worth $4M per.
Matt Painter's is worth just $2.4M.

Baseball, yes baseball: The Purdue coach gets $187,000 per.
Dan McDonnell at Louisville gets over $1M which puts him in the Top 5ish.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You guys comparing Purdue to Louisville are forgetting a BIG factor... Louisville pays.

Brohm's Purdue contract is $3.7M per... Petrino's $3.5M was done in 2014 and had a $10M buyout. (They paid him $14M to go away). Considering when the contracts were conceived, Louisville paid more.

Basketball: Pitino was making north of $7.5M. (Which was #3 behind Coach K and Calapari) Even Chris Mack's new salary is worth $4M per.
Matt Painter's is worth just $2.4M.

Baseball, yes baseball: The Purdue coach gets $187,000 per.
Dan McDonnell at Louisville gets over $1M which puts him in the Top 5ish.

I (we) aren't talking $ (obviously there's tons and tons of factors)... We're keeping this to, best location to make championship appearance.

 

[ACamp1900]

What do you mean by, "beyond"?
Year 2?
If/when Dabo leaves his dynasty?

I'm at a loss.

Winning ~10 games a year and finishing second to a presumed perpetually Dabo-led Clemson and still making NY6 bowls here and there is better than wining ~7 games a year and getting a chance to lose the BIG title game every few years... sorry... I respect you FI7, but that respect doesn't carry over to Purdue football and, "You get to play in a real shitty division" isn't enough of a shine on that turd....

It's kind of like when Mangino left my Jayhawks people didn't line up for that job because although he took them to new heights everyone knew what that program was at it's core... and sadly they were right.

 

[Luckylucci]

Winning ten game a year and finishing second to a presumed perpetually Dabo-led Clemson and still making NY6 bowls here and there is better than wining ~8 games a year and getting a chance to lose the BIG title game every few years... sorry... I respect you FI7, but that respect doesn't carry over to Purdue football and, "You get to play in a real shitty division" isn't enough of a shine on that turd....

It's kind of like when Mangino left my Jayhawks people didn't line up for that job because although he took them to new heights everyone knew what that program was at it's core... and sadly they were right.

Exactly, and that's why the recruiting aspect is so important and apparently being overlooked.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Winning ~10 games a year and finishing second to a presumed perpetually Dabo-led Clemson and still making NY6 bowls here and there is better than wining ~7 games a year and getting a chance to lose the BIG title game every few years... sorry... I respect you FI7, but that respect doesn't carry over to Purdue football and, "You get to play in a real shitty division" isn't enough of a shine on that turd....

It's kind of like when Mangino left my Jayhawks people didn't line up for that job because although he took them to new heights everyone knew what that program was at it's core... and sadly they were right.

That's fair. I'm not saying where they would go, beyond appearances. But, I think they could make something in the BIG. They have already upended OSU, nearly beat MSU, etc.

I just feel like he could be stuck in ACC for a long time as Dabo's kid, brother.

 

[IrishLion]

You guys comparing Purdue to Louisville are forgetting a BIG factor... Louisville pays.

Brohm's Purdue contract is $3.7M per... Petrino's $3.5M was done in 2014 and had a $10M buyout. (They paid him $14M to go away). Considering when the contracts were conceived, Louisville paid more.

Basketball: Pitino was making north of $7.5M. (Which was #3 behind Coach K and Calapari) Even Chris Mack's new salary is worth $4M per.
Matt Painter's is worth just $2.4M.

Baseball, yes baseball: The Purdue coach gets $187,000 per.
Dan McDonnell at Louisville gets over $1M which puts him in the Top 5ish.

Even while doing his best to bankrupt the university, and in the process of getting shitcanned, Jurich built Louisville athletics into a money machine that the university is willing and able to keep feeding.

Second-most profitable athletic department in the country as recent as 2016, I believe. Obviously Papa John and the Pitino/Jurich thing hurts the bottom line, but they’ve still got cash to spend.

 

[ACamp1900]

I (we) aren't talking $ (obviously there's tons and tons of factors)... We're keeping this to, best location to make championship appearance.

I have been discussing the 'lateral move' point only dude and noted earlier that this move would almost certainly be a pay increase....

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Even while doing his best to bankrupt the university, and in the process of getting shitcanned, Jurich built Louisville athletics into a money machine that the university is willing and able to keep feeding.

Second-most profitable athletic department in the country as recent as 2016, I believe. Obviously Papa John and the Pitino/Jurich thing hurts the bottom line, but they’ve still got cash to spend.

Don't underestimate the loss of Papa's dough...They may have to restructure the department sooner or later.

 

[ACamp1900]

That's fair. I'm not saying where they would go, beyond appearances. But, I think they could make something in the BIG. They have already upended OSU, nearly beat MSU, etc.

I just feel like he could be stuck in ACC for a long time as Dabo's kid, brother.

This is all possible for sure... though, I personally don't think Purdue can sustain a run even in that division and I don't think Dabo will be there forever, and Celmson will go back to being just another good CFB program, instead of what they are now.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I have been discussing the 'lateral move' point only dude and noted earlier that this move would almost certainly be a pay increase....

I never said you never mentioned it. I was saying it wasn't a part of our "discussion" (debate). Because, the money is obviously greater at Lville. On the same page with you guys there.

 

[ACamp1900]

I never said you never mentioned it. I was saying it wasn't a part of our "discussion" (debate). Because, the money is obviously greater at Lville. On the same page with you guys there.

On the 'where can he get to a title game quicker' point, which I never really debated once, I agree with you... that was never a thing in my end of the discussion. Just to be clear. That may be the only 'point for Purdue' though that I can think of...

 

[Irish YJ]

You guys comparing Purdue to Louisville are forgetting a BIG factor... Louisville pays.

Brohm's Purdue contract is $3.7M per... Petrino's $3.5M was done in 2014 and had a $10M buyout. (They paid him $14M to go away). Considering when the contracts were conceived, Louisville paid more.

Basketball: Pitino was making north of $7.5M. (Which was #3 behind Coach K and Calapari) Even Chris Mack's new salary is worth $4M per.
Matt Painter's is worth just $2.4M.

Baseball, yes baseball: The Purdue coach gets $187,000 per.
Dan McDonnell at Louisville gets over $1M which puts him in the Top 5ish.

Louisville has paid for it's best programs. Basketball has definitely been what they are know for, and baseball is pretty big too. They've been pretty consistent top 20 over the past 10 years.

I doubt though that pay is the driving force. Brohm's PU contract was higher than what you'd expect from a coach coming from where he did. I'd also bet PU would match whatever Louisville throws at him. This is about where he wants to be IMO.


And.... not sure all that money is available these days..

 

[ACamp1900]

I'd like to see Purdue take things more seriously and get good though, I don't hate them... and I think NDBolier is one of everyone's favorite dudes here.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is about where he wants to be IMO.

Clearly this plays into his decision...

 

[BobbyMac]

I (we) aren't talking $ (obviously there's tons and tons of factors)... We're keeping this to, best location to make championship appearance.

Obviously Purdue. But in this case, that's a factor that probably doesn't mean as much to Brohm. He beat OSU in his 2nd year with his scheme, leftover players and Rondale Moore. Why couldn't he beat Clemson at Ville with his scheme, leftover players and Rondale after he transfers?

 

[Irishize]

pick a goal post...

historically worst 30 listed below. PU #20. Louisville barely better than PU. 4 teams out of the BigWest made the bottom 30 (NW, IL, PU, Iowa).

Wake Forest
Indiana
NW
Iowa St
Kansas St
Oregon St
Kansas
Miss St
Vandy
Duke
KY
WashSt
Rutgers
IL
Baylor
NC State
S Carolina
OK State
Virginia
Purdue (tie)
Maryland
Louisville
Iowa
TCU
Missouri
Cal
Texas Tech
North Carolina
Ole Miss
Oregon

Louisville hasn’t been D1-A that long have they (compared to the above teams)? I believe they were D1-AA when Johnny Unitas was there.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'd like to see Purdue take things more seriously and get good though, I don't hate them... and I think NDBolier is one of everyone's favorite dudes here.

Doubt they make another Hazell mistake. And from all accounts, they are willing to spend. New facilities, spending top 25 dollars on recruiting.

Hope they find a decent coach.

 

[ACamp1900]

Louisville hasn’t been D1-A that long have they (compared to the above teams)? I believe they were D1-AA when Johnny Unitas was there.

For fun we could play with those programs... Oregon, Miss St, TCU, Louisville, Ole Miss, Ok State and maybe Baylor or UNC have removed themselves from the 'terrible ten' discussion as I see it... could make for an interesting side dialogue.

 

[ACamp1900]

Doubt they make another Hazell mistake. And from all accounts, they are willing to spend. New facilities, spending top 25 dollars on recruiting.

Hope they find a decent coach.

Well if they really have upgraded and are spending then that is a step in the right direction for sure...

 

[Irish YJ]

Louisville hasn’t been D1-A that long have they (compared to the above teams)? I believe they were D1-AA when Johnny Unitas was there.

Not sure about the historical puts and takes, but they were part of the MVC (different from today's MVC). MVC is the second oldest D1 conference (on the Big10 is older). Tom King (ND player) actually is credited with building the football program. They weren't part of the NCAA during Unitas's first year, but I know they played FSU during his tenure. (so not sure about the AA stuff.

 

[ACamp1900]

Not sure about the historical puts and takes, but they were part of the MVC (different from today's MVC). MVC is the second oldest D1 conference (on the Big10 is older). Tom King (ND player) actually is credited with building the football program. They weren't part of the NCAA during Unitas's first year, but I know they played FSU during his tenure. (so not sure about the AA stuff.

I don't think FSU has even been D 1 for a very long time have they?? I know West Virigina and some others weren't always...I think they moved to D1 in the 50s...

 

[irishog77]

Not sure about the historical puts and takes, but they were part of the MVC (different from today's MVC). MVC is the second oldest D1 conference (on the Big10 is older). Tom King (ND player) actually is credited with building the football program. They weren't part of the NCAA during Unitas's first year, but I know they played FSU during his tenure. (so not sure about the AA stuff.

fsu just started admitting male students when Unitas was at louisville. Doubt they went from "females only" to "coed and highest division of football" in a span of a couple years. Without looking, I'd say fsu went D1 in the 60's or 70's. I think Dadgummit took over in or around '76. Even then, they weren't on the radar. fsu football didn't really become a thing until the mid-80's.