Harry Hiestand Named OL Coach

[Whiskeyjack]

It's interesting that Harry was brought back. I'm, pumped, think he will help us keep the "O-Line U" thing going. But didn't IrishLax mention something about the high unlikelihood of him coming back? Something about inappropriate actions or something in his last stint with ND?

We may never know but I am curious how that all got worked out.

Harry's an old-school coach, so he yells a lot and gets in guys faces. Most of the OL respond well to it, but one particularly entitled Center from Idaho whose name rhymes with Histan Troge threw a hissy fit and ultimately transferred because he couldn't take the "abuse". Liam Eichenberg also allegedly didn't like it, though that didn't stop him from seeking out Harry over the off-season for additional work, so I wouldn't put much stock in that.

In retrospect, it seems like the reasons he was reportedly run out of South Bend were over-blown, and his departure had more to do with wanting to get back to the NFL.

 

[bobbyok1]

Harry's an old-school coach, so he yells a lot and gets in guys faces. Most of the OL respond well to it, but one particularly entitled Center from Idaho whose name rhymes with Histan Troge threw a hissy fit and ultimately transferred because he couldn't take the "abuse". Liam Eichenberg also allegedly didn't like it, though that didn't stop him from seeking out Harry over the off-season for additional work, so I wouldn't put much stock in that.

In retrospect, it seems like the reasons he was reportedly run out of South Bend were over-blown, and his departure had more to do with wanting to get back to the NFL.

Great insights, thank you sir. . . And for what its worth, I'll take an "in your face" coach any day. My D Coordinator in high school was an alcoholic who about knocked you over with his breath when he got in your face. Chewed our butts when he needed to. But was a great guy both on the off the field. He made you want to be better.

 

[IrishLax]

It's interesting that Harry was brought back. I'm, pumped, think he will help us keep the "O-Line U" thing going. But didn't IrishLax mention something about the high unlikelihood of him coming back? Something about inappropriate actions or something in his last stint with ND?

We may never know but I am curious how that all got worked out.

Yeah, I was told when he left that because of disgruntled players -- two in particular, who got waivers to transfer based on the conduct they alleged from Harry -- that coming back wasn't going to be an option for him. Time heals all wounds? Every player that had a problem with him is long gone at this point.

 

[Dale]

I don’t know if overblown would be necessarily how I would categorize it. It’s not like he was assaulting kids or breaking any rules, that’s never been alleged, but Sampson, Prister all the guys you could ask would say he would severely berate and would get on a personal level in doing so. So the question I think would be did we agree that’s not gonna happen Harry this time? Are we okaying the bad to get the good? I don’t take the hire to mean the past was overblown, either things have just been promised not to happen again or accepted and hope it doesn’t blow up.

 

[bobbyok1]

Yeah, I was told when he left that because of disgruntled players -- two in particular, who got waivers to transfer based on the conduct they alleged from Harry -- that coming back wasn't going to be an option for him. Time heals all wounds? Every player that had a problem with him is long gone at this point.

Time definitely changes things. . . thanks for the insights . . . glad he's back

 

[ulukinatme]

Harry's an old-school coach, so he yells a lot and gets in guys faces. Most of the OL respond well to it, but one particularly entitled Center from Idaho whose name rhymes with Histan Troge threw a hissy fit and ultimately transferred because he couldn't take the "abuse". Liam Eichenberg also allegedly didn't like it, though that didn't stop him from seeking out Harry over the off-season for additional work, so I wouldn't put much stock in that.

In retrospect, it seems like the reasons he was reportedly run out of South Bend were over-blown, and his departure had more to do with wanting to get back to the NFL.

I'm going to take full credit for putting the idea out into the universe and getting Harry rehired, even though I had 0 input with the university Been asking why this didn't happen as soon as the Bears let him go, I didn't buy that bridges were completely burned.

Interestingly I don't think Harry was following anyone on Twitter until maybe today or maybe within the last week. Literally 0 people that I recall. Now he's following Notre Dame, Notre Dame Football, BK of all people, and...Jamaree Salyer who was the #1 Guard in the 2018 class and went to Georgia. He played 4 years and declared for the Draft, so there's no chance he uses his COVID year, just seems odd...didn't Harry used to only follow whoever his current OL target was, or am I thinking of a different coach?

 

[bobbyok1]

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I don’t know if overblown would be necessarily how I would categorize it. It’s not like he was assaulting kids or breaking any rules, that’s never been alleged, but Sampson, Prister all the guys you could ask would say he would severely berate and would get on a personal level in doing so. So the question I think would be did we agree that’s not gonna happen Harry this time? Are we okaying the bad to get the good? I don’t take the hire to mean the past was overblown, either things have just been promised not to happen again or accepted and hope it doesn’t blow up.

Personally I think younger generations need to start adjusting some to older generations and it not being a one way street. Have players who quit because of a "mean/jerk" coach ever heard of "adversity." Life on this planet isn't going to lie down for you, cuddle you, or adjust to your expectations.

Universities ought to spend as much time teaching these kids how to adapt to different generations and perspectives as they spend on instructing older generations working for these universities to adapt to younger generations (same could be said of professional organizations).

And what qualifies as a coach making it "personal" with a student/athlete? Surely, there is no need to be demeaning. And yet, if a kid is soft, lazy, entitled, etc., is it "making it personal" to tell him/her as much? Some people would call that character formation.

While there are those of older generations who can be unnecessarily harsh. There are also those of younger generations who can too easily offended.

 

[DONTH8]

I'm going to take full credit for putting the idea out into the universe and getting Harry rehired, even though I had 0 input with the university Been asking why this didn't happen as soon as the Bears let him go, I didn't buy that bridges were completely burned.

Interestingly I don't think Harry was following anyone on Twitter until maybe today or maybe within the last week. Literally 0 people that I recall. Now he's following Notre Dame, Notre Dame Football, BK of all people, and...Jamaree Salyer who was the #1 Guard in the 2018 class and went to Georgia. He played 4 years and declared for the Draft, so there's no chance he uses his COVID year, just seems odd...didn't Harry used to only follow whoever his current OL target was, or am I thinking of a different coach?

He's been following those people for over a year at least. The only liked tweet is that WWE wrestler from FL. I guarantee that he created the account, was on it for 5 minutes, and then never touched it again. Including after being rehired.

 

[irishog77]

It's interesting that Harry was brought back. I'm, pumped, think he will help us keep the "O-Line U" thing going. But didn't IrishLax mention something about the high unlikelihood of him coming back? Something about inappropriate actions or something in his last stint with ND?

We may never know but I am curious how that all got worked out.

To further expound upon what Whiskey and Lax said above, it is fairly well known that HH was involved with some inappropriate touching with Rack Em. In HH's defense, he was the target and victim, not the perpetrator.

 

[stpeteirish]

“Old school” coaching is even less popular than it was during Harry’s last stint. I hope our people have done a thorough and precise job of explaining exactly what he can and cannot do.

 

[ulukinatme]

“Old school” coaching is even less popular than it was during Harry’s last stint. I hope our people have done a thorough and precise job of explaining exactly what he can and cannot do.

Screw it! If they can't cut it, we'll find some mentally tough men.

 

[GATTACA!]

“Old school” coaching is even less popular than it was during Harry’s last stint. I hope our people have done a thorough and precise job of explaining exactly what he can and cannot do.

Results are results. Guy gets the best out of his players and sends them to the league. If he has to break a few along the way so be it.

 

[Irish8248]

Obviously there was some fiction but if I recall correctly, DBBK said it was HHs ultimate desire to return back to the NFL because he only needed 5 years or something of service to get a pension or medical. When he left, especially for the epicenter of ND Alum, Chicago, I took that as a bridge for HH to get his final stint.

 

[Irish#1]

I don’t know if overblown would be necessarily how I would categorize it. It’s not like he was assaulting kids or breaking any rules, that’s never been alleged, but Sampson, Prister all the guys you could ask would say he would severely berate and would get on a personal level in doing so. So the question I think would be did we agree that’s not gonna happen Harry this time? Are we okaying the bad to get the good? I don’t take the hire to mean the past was overblown, either things have just been promised not to happen again or accepted and hope it doesn’t blow up.

I can only go from my experience over the years, but if there is even the slightest hint of abuse (physically, mentally or verbally) a company won't entertain rehiring that employee and opening the door to future headaches.

 

[Irish#1]

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This has to be HH’s focus. Freeman, Rees can do the bragging. Most recruits will have figured it out on their own too. HH has to give this side of the effort.

He was visiting Desontis yesterday, so Harry is hitting the pavement.

 

[Rack Em]

To further expound upon what Whiskey and Lax said above, it is fairly well known that HH was involved with some inappropriate touching with Rack Em. In HH's defense, he was the target and victim, not the perpetrator.

Don’t victim shame my victims

 

[Irish#1]

Really good article on Harry by Sampson in The Athletic.

Some notable comments.

• Harry will be bringing his former linemen back to help at the camps. Having an All Pro or Pro Bowl teaching you has to help the recruiting.
• Harry insisted on Watt being hired.
• Sampson said Alt and Fisher will remain at the spots they manned in the Fiesta Bowl. I thought they would flip. Harry knows best.
• Harry is a technician and exacting. Mentioned when the Bears were playing the 49'ers, he told Big Mike he was dropping his head during pass pro.

 

[ndfi78]

Really good article on Harry by Sampson in The Athletic.

Some notable comments.

• Harry will be bringing his former linemen back to help at the camps. Having an All Pro or Pro Bowl teaching you has to help the recruiting.
• Harry insisted on Watt being hired.
• Sampson said Alt and Fisher will remain at the spots they manned in the Fiesta Bowl. I thought they would flip. Harry knows best.
• Harry is a technician and exacting. Mentioned when the Bears were playing the 49'ers, he told Big Mike he was dropping his head during pass pro.

Harry Hiestand is back to restore the pride of Notre Dame’s offensive line: ‘He’ll go to war for you’ – The Athletic link if you want to read it.

 

[irishrocket25]

The athletic article is great, but the part about him telling McGlinchey how to block Mack; and giving encouragement to McGlinchey during the game was unusual at best.

 

[ulukinatme]

Really good article on Harry by Sampson in The Athletic.

Some notable comments.

• Harry will be bringing his former linemen back to help at the camps. Having an All Pro or Pro Bowl teaching you has to help the recruiting.
• Harry insisted on Watt being hired.
• Sampson said Alt and Fisher will remain at the spots they manned in the Fiesta Bowl. I thought they would flip. Harry knows best.
• Harry is a technician and exacting. Mentioned when the Bears were playing the 49'ers, he told Big Mike he was dropping his head during pass pro.

I really thought Big Fish would slip back to LT. That was where he started the year, after all, before Alt was even a starter. Alt must be more comfortable on that side and Fish is the more flexible one. Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things of course, just a bit surprising.

 

[Dale]

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[Dale]

Al Golden right now

 

[spoonidentity]

The athletic article is great, but the part about him telling McGlinchey how to block Mack; and giving encouragement to McGlinchey during the game was unusual at best.

I'm all for that loyalty angle.... But to give an advantage to your opponent against the team that is currently employing you is questionable from an ethical standpoint, isn't it?

Reading the comments I am not alone in thinking that.

Also, the LT and RT positions are not set in stone per Sampson on the comments. That's just where it is on the day the article is published.

 

[BobbyMac]

Will be interesting to see if HH goes after any new '23 prospects that Quinn didn't offer. When Quinn took over, he added to ND's board (like Walter Rouse) but ended up with prospects that HH had evaluated & offered.

 

[DONTH8]

Al Golden right now

Ok, how did this not get more love?? That is awesome lmao.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Will be interesting to see if HH goes after any new '23 prospects that Quinn didn't offer. When Quinn took over, he added to ND's board (like Walter Rouse) but ended up with prospects that HH had evaluated & offered.

2025 Starting right guard Michael Crounse ?

 

[BobbyMac]

2025 Starting right guard Michael Crounse ?

Yeah... him or Lauck would seem to be sure bets.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm all for that loyalty angle.... But to give an advantage to your opponent against the team that is currently employing you is questionable from an ethical standpoint, isn't it?

Reading the comments I am not alone in thinking that.

Also, the LT and RT positions are not set in stone per Sampson on the comments. That's just where it is on the day the article is published.

Maybe? I don't know. The biggest take away for me was the communication, loyalty and relationship HH builds with his guys. Watch for this unit to take a big step forward this year.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Yeah... him or Lauck would seem to be sure bets.

Sam Pendleton is sneaky good too.

 

[Dale]

“Recruiting’s fine. Do you like sitting on a tarmac for 45 minutes? That’s the part that is no fun. But meeting these young men that you can meet, because you’re at Notre Dame, going into a high school in Seattle and there’s 10 people who want to meet you because you’re from Notre Dame. That part of it is no problem. For me, it became the travel. Wasn't the recruiting. I think there’s some decent players who I helped bring here who would probably tell you that…”

Rees might need to lend Hiestand the PJ after the honeymoon phase wears off but other than that he just sounded like any old dude haha.