General team info

[jspags10pg]

Expect another transfer according to Driskell. Someone he says probably wouldn't have contributed this year, but may hurt depth wise.

Tony Jones Jr. seems like he's the #2 guy behind Adams.

Hainsey may not redshirt because he was that good in the spring.

Some think Mustipher is going to have a hell of a year at center.

https://notredame.forums.rivals.com/threads/shamrock-secrets-june-3rd-edition-updated-12-41-pm.108321/#post-2015474

There have been rumors about Hoge. Hope not but that's my guess.

 

[dublinirish]

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when do the freshmen arrive? next week or so?

 

[Luckylucci]

The graduate transfer in, is Cameron Smith, WR from ASU. ND football put it out on twitter.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Cam Smith in.

Tristen Hoge out.

Roster sits at 84.

 

[IrishLion]

Cam Smith in.

Tristen Hoge out.

Roster sits at 84.

Roster is at 85, actually, but that will change when the next transfer is announced.

 

[ulukinatme]

Man, what was the story on Hoge? He was considered #1 at his position in some recruiting circles. I can't remember if this is Mustipher's last year or he has another, but I imagine Hoge isn't going to sit out a year at BYU if he was next in line. Was there more to it than that, or did he get beaten out by Boudreaux?

 

[Luckylucci]

So another possible transfer in. Navy S Alohi Gilman will be taking an OV to ND. He was there starting S last year as a freshman. Was 2nd on the team in tackles with 67.

 

[woolybug25]

So another possible transfer in. Navy S Alohi Gilman will be taking an OV to ND. He was there starting S last year as a freshman. Was 2nd on the team in tackles with 67.

How would that work? Isn't he an enlisted man?

 

[Luckylucci]

How would that work? Isn't he an enlisted man?

I don't know, I saw some poster on BGI that they have to pay back tuition if they leave early. But can't say I've fact checked that.

 

[IrishLion]

How would that work? Isn't he an enlisted man?

I don't know, I saw some poster on BGI that they have to pay back tuition if they leave early. But can't say I've fact checked that.

Yeah, first year is prep school. They can get out of their commitment if they pay the bill.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I know you have no military commitment before your third year, and I don't think you have to pay anything back before that point either.

 

[dwshade]

I know you have no military commitment before your third year, and I don't think you have to pay anything back before that point either.

I believe you are correct. This kid would be a major pickup. Think he now realizes he has a shot to play pro ball with the right development.

 

[IrishLion]

I believe you are correct. This kid would be a major pickup. Think he now realizes he has a shot to play pro ball with the right development.

Haha he had like 12 tackles against ND this year... ND ran like 40 plays. That's amazing and depressing.

 

[woolybug25]

Haha he had like 12 tackles against ND this year... ND ran like 40 plays. That's amazing and depressing.

Remember that time we beat Navy 43 years in a row? Thems were the days...

 

[dwshade]

Haha he had like 12 tackles against ND this year... ND ran like 40 plays. That's amazing and depressing.

I guess if anyone would know how to play against the Navy offense he would. Which makes me wonder if Navy could block him from transferring to ND since we play each year.

 

[AKRowdy]

I guess if anyone would know how to play against the Navy offense he would. Which makes me wonder if Navy could block him from transferring to ND since we play each year.

Could Navy block him if he had to pay his tuition back? Also wouldn't he know the schools he couldn't attend prior to taking his official visits? I don't feel like Navy would be the type of school to block players from transferring out.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Random thought: Navy might not want to sour relations with ND, since both of us know that we are doing them an old time favor by playing them every year.

 

[koonja]

So another possible transfer in. Navy S Alohi Gilman will be taking an OV to ND. He was there starting S last year as a freshman. Was 2nd on the team in tackles with 67.

It's weird that he doesn't show up on Navy's 2015 or 2016 recruit commits list. Did this guy just go into the academy as a typical student, and happen to try out and excel at football? I can't find trace of him being recruited for football.

Navy 2016 Football Commits

 

[dublinirish]

It's weird that he doesn't show up on Navy's 2015 or 2016 recruit commits list. Did this guy just go into the academy as a typical student, and happen to try out and excel at football? I can't find trace of him being recruited for football.

Navy 2016 Football Commits

Navy's intake of players is notoriously shady. they matriculate them all through prep schools and process a lot of them out if they get hurt etc.

 

[GowerND11]

Navy's intake of players is notoriously shady. they matriculate them all through prep schools and process a lot of them out if they get hurt etc.

Truth. Also, I believe they don't have to follow the rule of only signing 25 a year as well.

 

[woolybug25]

Navy's intake of players is notoriously shady. they matriculate them all through prep schools and process a lot of them out if they get hurt etc.

Truth. Also, I believe they don't have to follow the rule of only signing 25 a year as well.

Not to sound crass, but who cares? It's Navy and if that helps them get more kids into the naval academy, then so be it. If a kid is being "cycled out" of Navy's football program, then falling back on graduating from the naval academy seems like a pretty nice backup plan to me. The kid we're talking about transferring to ND is pretty rare air. The vast majority of their players don't have NFL aspirations.

Unless I'm missing something, these kids are aware of who Navy is as an institution.

 

[dublinirish]

Truth. Also, I believe they don't have to follow the rule of only signing 25 a year as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/sports/ncaafootball/navy-midshipmen-army-football.html

Navy’s gaming the system.

For instance, have you ever heard of the Naval Academy Preparatory School, or NAPS as it’s called? In Newport, R.I., close to the Naval War College, NAPS was founded in 1915 as a place where enlisted men with officer potential could get up to speed academically before entering the Naval Academy.

By the late 1960s, NAPS had opened its doors to civilians. This was partly a diversity effort, but it was also a way to get in the children of alumni or politicians who didn’t have the grades or SAT scores to be admitted into the Naval Academy directly from high school. Once in NAPS, which is tuition-free, students were essentially guaranteed a spot in the Naval Academy the next year. According to a Naval Academy spokesman, Cmdr. David McKinney, the prep school costs taxpayers around $14 million a year.

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Zach Abey, No. 9, Navy’s quarterback, lunged for a touchdown against the Temple defensive back Sean Chandler, right, in the American Athletic Conference championship in Annapolis, Md., last Saturday. Credit Nick Wass/Associated Press
In the 1980s, Navy noticed that the Air Force Academy, which was regularly trouncing it in football, was placing recruited athletes in its prep school. Indeed, in 2003, Fisher DeBerry, the longtime coach of the Falcons, told The Colorado Springs Gazette that the prep school “has had a major impact on the success of our football team.”

Eager to turn the tide against its rival, Navy began to copy DeBerry’s methods. Sure enough, NAPS is now a means by which Navy launders underqualified athletes into the Naval Academy.

Jim Kenney, a retired Navy captain who was the commanding officer of the Navy prep school from 1978-82, recalled that in his era maybe four football players had been enrolled. “Today,” he said, “it is dominated by athletes.”

McKinney says that recruited athletes made up only 35 percent of the current NAPS class. But their effect on Navy athletics is huge. Seventy-five percent of the current football team got into the Naval Academy through NAPS, according to the Midshipmen football media guide. More than half the men’s basketball team went to NAPS, and 60 percent of the women’s basketball team. There have been years when 80 percent of the lacrosse team’s players were NAPS graduates.

In addition to a free education, the Navy gives NAPS students $1,000 a month.

Ordinarily, this would be a violation of N.C.A.A. rules. Because NAPS students are being paid for being in the military, the N.C.A.A. has granted a waiver allowing the stipend. (The same is true at the Air Force and Army prep schools.)

What was NAPS like for the athletes? The athletics were intense, and the academics none too stressful, recalled Peter Banos, who played basketball there in 2008. “There was all sorts of tutoring,” he said, “but really, it was like another year of high school.”

Banos added: “We had cars, we could visit friends, and we were flush with cash. It was high school kids getting paid.” And if, after a year at NAPS, a student decided not to go the academy, the Navy didn’t ask for its money back. Banos left the Naval Academy after his freshman year.

Midshipmen who play Division I football are granted a waiver from the height and weight restrictions that might otherwise exclude them from the Naval Academy. Credit Matt Rourke/Associated Press
The Naval Academy said that many NAPS athletes go on to succeed at the academy and in the Navy. Three former Navy football players from the class of 1998, all of whom went through NAPS, are in important command posts seeking terrorists.

There is a second way that Navy lands athletes who would normally be rejected through the admissions process. The Naval Academy Foundation, an entity founded in 1944 to support Navy athletics, pays for scholarships to send athletes to a private prep school, usually one with a heavy emphasis on sports. In return, the athletes are expected to go to the Naval Academy the next year. The donors to the foundation are almost all Naval Academy alumni.

Let’s dwell on this for a second. Imagine if some Ohio State boosters paid to send recruited athletes to a private prep school for a year before they went to the university. It would be an out-and-out scandal — exactly the kind of booster bribery the N.C.A.A. wants to stamp out. Yet, once again, the military academies have been given a waiver by the association.

Those height and weight restrictions I mentioned earlier? They are waived for athletes — at least until their eligibility is used up. At that point, those 280 pounds that made a Navy lineman so valuable to the team become a huge liability. They are suddenly under tremendous pressure to lose 50, 60, 70 pounds, depending on their height. And if they don’t — or simply can’t — their careers suffer, and sometimes end prematurely.

As for that required five years of military service, there once was a time when even the best Navy athletes had to put in time after graduation before going on to a professional career. Roger Staubach, who won the Heisman Trophy as a junior in 1963, didn’t join the Dallas Cowboys until 1969. His Navy tour included a year in Vietnam.

Recently, athletes good enough to become professionals haven’t had to put in five years of military service. In May, the secretary of the Navy granted waivers to four Navy athletes, allowing them to play while serving in the Reserve. They included Keenan Reynolds, last season’s quarterback, who is now with the Baltimore Ravens, and Joe Cardona, who is the long snapper for the New England Patriots.

The good news, I suppose, is that, aside from the cost of NAPS, Navy athletics doesn’t cost the taxpayer very much money. The government allocates only $3.9 million to the Navy athletic department. The rest of Navy’s athletic budget comes from an organization called the Naval Academy Athletic Association. Although the N.A.A.A. describes itself as a “nongovernment agency,” the majority of its board members are Naval Academy personnel, including Chet Gladchuk, the athletic director. Its offices are on campus. It uses the Naval Academy’s email system. And so on.

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And it doesn’t just finance the athletic department. It runs it. The N.A.A.A. employs and pays the coaches. (Navy’s football coach, Ken Niumatalolo, makes $1.6 million.) It manages the stadium. It negotiates the media contracts. And it rustles up sponsors. In all, Navy’s athletic budget is over $40 million, in the same range as the budgets at Hawaii, Boise State and New Mexico.

Are the compromises Navy makes to remain competitive in big-time college football any worse than other Division I schools? Not really. But that’s not the point.

The military academies do something critical for our nation: They “train and educate junior officers in the Navy and Marine Corps,” said Barry Relinger, a Naval Academy alumnus. “They should be dedicated to that purpose and not trying to achieve greatness of Division I sports.”

No one is saying sports shouldn’t matter at the Naval Academy. The Navy believes that sports can build character and imbue leadership qualities that are important for officers. I’m not going to disagree.

But to its critics, the gamesmanship required for the Naval Academy to be able to play football competitively with the likes of Notre Dame has hurt its ability to turn out the best officers possible.

“I think competition is very important,” said David Tuma, an alumnus who has long been critical of Navy athletics. “But you don’t have to be in Division I to stir the competitive spirit.”

 

[GowerND11]

Not to sound crass, but who cares? It's Navy and if that helps them get more kids into the naval academy, then so be it. If a kid is being "cycled out" of Navy's football program, then falling back on graduating from the naval academy seems like a pretty nice backup plan to me. The kid we're talking about transferring to ND is pretty rare air. The vast majority of their players don't have NFL aspirations.

Unless I'm missing something, these kids are aware of who Navy is as an institution.

I don't disagree. I was mainly piggybacking Dublin because Koon was asking why he might not have seen him on their commit list. They are able to bring in guys from their Prep schools, and sign over the amount all the other schools must follow (not that, for the service academies, I disagree).

 

[koonja]

Well if this kid was at the Navy and apparently going to stick, but wants to play in the NFL, I'd take him alone over both WR grad transfers. Character kid, time left, at a position we annually suck at. I really hope we get him.

 

[dublinirish]

Not to sound crass, but who cares? It's Navy and if that helps them get more kids into the naval academy, then so be it. If a kid is being "cycled out" of Navy's football program, then falling back on graduating from the naval academy seems like a pretty nice backup plan to me. The kid we're talking about transferring to ND is pretty rare air. The vast majority of their players don't have NFL aspirations.

Unless I'm missing something, these kids are aware of who Navy is as an institution.

I don't disagree. I was mainly piggybacking Dublin because Koon was asking why he might not have seen him on their commit list. They are able to bring in guys from their Prep schools, and sign over the amount all the other schools must follow (not that, for the service academies, I disagree).

my cousin actually went through the system. He was pole vaulter and got accepted to the naval academy, was sent to a prep school in RI before he was arrived in Annapolis. Went on to have a long and distinguished career as an officer serving on the frigate the USS Reuben James in the Iraq War.

 

[greyhammer90]

How do you transfer from Navy? Don't you sign an agreement to serve a certain number of years when you enroll?

 

[dublinirish]

How do you transfer from Navy? Don't you sign an agreement to serve a certain number of years when you enroll?

military service commitments aren't made until junior year.

 

[dwshade]

Well if this kid was at the Navy and apparently going to stick, but wants to play in the NFL, I'd take him alone over both WR grad transfers. Character kid, time left, at a position we annually suck at. I really hope we get him.

One doesn't affect the other. Grad transfers play right away. The Navy kid would have to sit out one year as a transfer.

 

[Meatloaf]

From Mike Frank:

ND "definitely" the team to beat for Aholi Gilman. ND could petition the NCAA for him to play this year.

https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/7685

 

[stlnd01]

From Mike Frank:

ND "definitely" the team to beat for Aholi Gilman. ND could petition the NCAA for him to play this year.

https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/7685

That would help a lot.