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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Brought to my attention by <a href="https://twitter.com/NDHeisler">@NDHeisler</a> but <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@NDFootball</a> is 1 of 6 programs in nation to have units ranked in all 8 groups by <a href="https://twitter.com/philsteele042">@philsteele042</a></p>— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy/statuses/481166735165644800">June 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Brought to my attention by <a href="https://twitter.com/NDHeisler">@NDHeisler</a> but <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@NDFootball</a> is 1 of 6 programs in nation to have units ranked in all 8 groups by <a href="https://twitter.com/philsteele042">@philsteele042</a></p>— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy/statuses/481166735165644800">June 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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8 groups of what? Sorry, missed the context.

Thanks for the updates. Don't it seem like we always got the toughest schedule???
 

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8 groups of what? Sorry, missed the context.

Thanks for the updates. Don't it seem like we always got the toughest schedule???

Position groups. The 8 groups are below. Our rank is in parenthesis.

QB (#25)
RB (#24)
WR/TE (#26)
OL (#16)
DL (#42)
LB (#18)
DB (#13)
STs (#41)
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>According to <a href="https://twitter.com/philsteele042">@philsteele042</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@NDFootball</a> faces the toughest schedule in the nation with the most inexperienced roster in college football</p>— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy/statuses/481168155101130752">June 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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What can go wrong?
 

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Season will be another cakewalk --- plenty of weeks off.

Let's please remember this, guys, when we have a "WTF?" game sometime in there. Our guys are going to have to be all-game-every-game warriors and we should cheer them even when they're not at their best. I'm sure that Coach Harry will have his guys rhino-ing away every play, tired or not.
 

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Position groups. The 8 groups are below. Our rank is in parenthesis.

QB (#25)
RB (#24)
WR/TE (#26)
OL (#16)
DL (#42)
LB (#18)
DB (#13)
STs (#41)

Definitely a well rounded team, which is key for a playoff run, as that makes it more difficult for teams to key in on weaknesses. That being said, QB and OL should be WAY higher than that. Golson and Zaire are definitely the top 1-2 grouping of QB's along with Marshall and Johnson at Auburn. And don't get me started on that offensive line, ND's offensive line, despite losing Martin and Watt, are in a class with Auburn's and Florida State's lines, which is the very top group. They should be at least in the top 5. I think the D-Line will prove to be better than that, but for now they have to prove that on the field.
 

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Season will be another cakewalk --- plenty of weeks off.

Let's please remember this, guys, when we have a "WTF?" game sometime in there. Our guys are going to have to be all-game-every-game warriors and we should cheer them even when they're not at their best. I'm sure that Coach Harry will have his guys rhino-ing away every play, tired or not.

Honestly, this is where the depth will play a big factor. That is a major reason we'd end up in those WTF games, because of season long drags running it's toll on the starters. That, along with the overall lack of playmakers, inexperience at QB and lack of speed in the secondary is what almost cost them a few and cost them the title (though Golson did play particularly well in that one).
 

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Least experienced with 5, top 25 position groups. That's building depth.
 

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Season will be another cakewalk --- plenty of weeks off.

Let's please remember this, guys, when we have a "WTF?" game sometime in there. Our guys are going to have to be all-game-every-game warriors and we should cheer them even when they're not at their best. I'm sure that Coach Harry will have his guys rhino-ing away every play, tired or not.

This. Gonna be a helluva challenge to get to 11-1 and have a chance at top 4. Even in 2012, we shit the bed hard against Purdue and Pitt. Not to mention playing completely average in games like BYU and BC that year. IMO the only teams we can beat this year with an "average" performance are Rice, Purdue, and Cuse. We're gonna have to bring it the other 9 weeks.

Now, next year's schedule has me thinking playoffs for sure. This year it's just looking like 9/10 wins.
 

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And 6 top 26 position groups, but who's counting? Even greater depth.

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This. Gonna be a helluva challenge to get to 11-1 and have a chance at top 4. Even in 2012, we shit the bed hard against Purdue and Pitt. Not to mention playing completely average in games like BYU and BC that year. IMO the only teams we can beat this year with an "average" performance are Rice, Purdue, and Cuse. We're gonna have to bring it the other 9 weeks.

Now, next year's schedule has me thinking playoffs for sure. This year it's just looking like 9/10 wins.

I'd be ridiculously ecstatic with that.
 

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This. Gonna be a helluva challenge to get to 11-1 and have a chance at top 4. Even in 2012, we shit the bed hard against Purdue and Pitt. Not to mention playing completely average in games like BYU and BC that year. IMO the only teams we can beat this year with an "average" performance are Rice, Purdue, and Cuse. We're gonna have to bring it the other 9 weeks.

Now, next year's schedule has me thinking playoffs for sure. This year it's just looking like 9/10 wins.

Despite the allure around that 2012 team, I was never really impressed with them, minus the Oklahoma and Stanford a tad. They never really showed much potential to dominate their opponents. That had a lot to do with the very VERY conservative schemes, both offensively and defensively, as well as the lack of depth. That is definitely not the case this year. The offense has a lot more talent at the playmaker positions than it did 2 years ago, and Golson/Zaire will be a substantial upgrade over Golson of 2012. The offensive line is also a monstrous upgrade. I liked Martin, Watt and Cave as much as the next guy, but playing 5 Guards up front put them at sort of a disadvantage. Golic was solid, but nothing really spectacular, and Lombard was definitely not a fit at RT. Not only is this year's unit way more physically imposing (Stanley 6'6 320, Elmer 6'6 320, Martin 6'5 305, Lombard 6'5 315, McGlinchey 6'8 305), but it's more talented and deeper with Hanratty, Hegarty, Bivin, McGovern, Montelus, Nelson, Bars, etc. The line from that year couldn't even touch that kind of depth. They've also had more time under Harry Hiestand, and that cannot be understated.

Frankly, the only advantage I see from that 2012 team was the front, and that's only the starting 3. Kap, Tuitt and Nix were dominating linemen, but the lack of depth at those positions caused them to be less than 100% by the end of the season. Springmann wasn't quite there just yet, Day was still a true freshman, and Schwenke was solid, but nothing substantial. This year's unit may not look as good, but it definitely has potential to be as good as that unit. Day has gotten nothing but praise since stepping foot on here, and a healthy 2014 can show why. He is one of many that benefits from the move to a 4 man front. Honestly, I see a Will Sutton-like player in Day (pre-weight gain Sutton). Jarron Jones is also a player to watch out for. You don't get much more physically imposing than 6'6 and roughly 310. At first, he had trouble adjusting to the college game, but came along quite nicely last season, and I can see him taking huge strides under Elston and BVG. I am predicting a huge year from both Day and Jones. Behind them is looking better as well. Springmann and Hounshell, if they stay healthy are very solid options behind those two, Springmann more so due to his size and physicality. He's definitely come a long way since 2012. Hounshell may end up losing his spot to a younger player like Matuska or Rochell (should they choose to move him inside). Also I'd watch out for the 3 freshmen. Sure, they're freshmen but they're all coming in physically ready for the college game. One in particular I'm keeping my eye on is Daniel Cage. Not only is he developed already (6'3 305 approx.), but he is MEAN MEAN MEAN. Like a guy that will look down a lineman like they're his worst enemy and then proceed to running him over and ripping his QB's head off mean. The only thing that really stood out to mean about that 2012 team compared to this one is Te'o, and honestly Jaylon has potential to be even better than he was.

I think the only thing holding this team back from a playoff berth is the schedule, but we honestly don't know yet. The 2012 schedule looked extremely brutal, and granted it wasn't the easiest of schedules. But it turned out to be significantly easier than anybody expected. Sure Oklahoma and Stanford stayed the course and ended up doing well, but outside of that, most of the teams were pretty mediocre at best. I doubt the same holds up for this year's schedule, but who knows?
 

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Frankly, the only advantage I see from that 2012 team was the front, and that's only the starting 3. Kap, Tuitt and Nix were dominating linemen, but the lack of depth at those positions caused them to be less than 100% by the end of the season.

Can you repeat that please? I couldn't understand you as I was solidifying myself as the greatest linebacker in history of Notre Dame during the 2012 season

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Had a dream last night that Brent scored the first TD of the season off a screen at the 10 yard line. Share-worthy I know.
 
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Notre Dame football commentary: Sink-or-swim year awaits Kelly, Irish - South Bend Tribune

Here it is in all its glory. He's got Hendrix making a big appearance and then Kiel starting the final 4 games. Nailed that prediction.

I was on the border before that piece, now I tend not to read his output.

Al is a dumbass and is probably the worst sports writer at SBT; in fact, he'd probably be considered a bad poster here on IE. It seems like he never uses quotes or actual facts and talks pretty negatively about Notre Dame football IMO
 

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VIDEO: Leadership needed for big season from Notre Dame football - Videos - South Bend Tribune

Kind of dry video here, but an important topic nonetheless. Who is gonna take charge of this team and inspire them for greatness? To me it's Jaylon. I don't care that he's only a sophomore, he was born for it IMO.

First of all ...but how does he miss the impact of Theo Riddick...talk about a guy that put a team on his back at times...Good Grief. I saw the leadership as Teo/Riddick.

this year...I think its Russel on D...don't know on O yet. Still waiting for Amir to emerge, but I have my doubts.
 

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First of all ...but how does he miss the impact of Theo Riddick...talk about a guy that put a team on his back at times...Good Grief. I saw the leadership as Teo/Riddick.

this year...I think its Russel on D...don't know on O yet. Still waiting for Amir to emerge, but I have my doubts.

That's a good point. His analysis was pretty bad, but I thought the leadership discussion in General was an important topic. I agree with you though, Russell has a chance to do some really good things this year and it would he'll a lot if he put the Defense on his back.
 

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Stewart Mandel, a longtime writer for SI, is leaving for Fox Sports soon, and just did his last mailbag, which was sort of a dedication. Someone asks him his favorite game that he attended. Oh boy.

My favorite place to attend a game is Death Valley at LSU. It’s almost like walking into a different country, from the tailgate cuisine (tip of the cap to longtime reader Rusty Welch, proprietor of TigerTailgating.com) to the tiger that happens to live next door to the smell of bourbon in the air and the electric feel for a night game.
My favorite rivalry to attend is Texas-Oklahoma. It’s a football game in the middle of a state fair. Enough said.

My favorite player to interview was Andrew Luck while he was at Stanford. Even though it was clear from his sophomore season that he would soon become an NFL multimillionaire, he was just a big, geeky kid having fun right up until his final college game. From what I’m told, he's still the same way.

And the best game I’ve witnessed in person remains USC-Notre Dame in 2005. I’ll never forget the students prematurely rushing the field when the clock kept running after Matt Leinart’s fumble out of bounds, and the fact that, for a brief moment, we all thought Charlie Weis was a coaching god. Notre Dame is still paying for it. Literally.

He also lists the #2 dumbest question he consistently gets as:
2. “Will this [recent news event] finally cause Notre Dame to join a conference?”

College Football Mailbag: Reflecting on the last 15 years in the sport and beyond - College Football - SI.com
 

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The II board has been clamoring for some info on how everybody looks so TJ chimed in with this. Pretty generic but better than rehashing Hilliard choosing OSU for the parties.

TJ,

It's still very, very early in summer workouts and such, and thus in their football careers as played with pads and schemes, etc. But based on the limited impressions to date...

The LB corps appear to be in very good shape with some impressive builds for frosh LBs, starting with Morgan, Hill and Tranquill. Tough position to judge much else out of pads and contact and play flow, obviously.

The OL quartet appear to be likewise, only bigger :). Really strong, impressive group.

The pass-catchers have flashed some real potential and ability, led by Holmes, Weishar and Brent. With Lutua, too, should be a good group from early indications.

Watkins, the only DB, is getting work and looks like a natural cover CB with big-time potential. Just needs some meat on the bones, but really flashes thus far.

Kizer shows the potential of his tools and solid leadership for a frosh, but also the need to be coached and developed in the finer points of QB play. Pretty much what was expected right now, which is fine.

Can't say much yet for the various DL and Edge guys given the format and need for hands-on coaching, but Cage should see time Inside in the rotation given physical readiness, and possibly Trumbetti, Blankenship and J Williams, too, as DEs and Edge Rushers and pressure guys.

Newsome can boom the ball. Consistency, as usual, will be his best friend.
 
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