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[ndfi78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Tirico will be NBC's announcer for Nevada, Mich St & Duke games. Dan Hicks will announce Stanford, Miami, Army and Va Tech games.</p>— Angelo Di Carlo (@angdicarlowndu) <a href="https://twitter.com/angdicarlowndu/status/770655624329854976">August 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Interesting..

 

[KPENN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> has the highest overall median ticket price of college FB team, coming in at $240, per secondary marketplace Vivid Seats,</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/770712750917951488">August 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> has the highest overall median ticket price of college FB team, coming in at $240, per secondary marketplace Vivid Seats,</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/770712750917951488">August 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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...and they're lowering the capacity of the stadium.

I wonder what the average attendance would be if the stadium held 120,000?

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Tirico will be NBC's announcer for Nevada, Mich St & Duke games. Dan Hicks will announce Stanford, Miami, Army and Va Tech games.</p>— Angelo Di Carlo (@angdicarlowndu) <a href="https://twitter.com/angdicarlowndu/status/770655624329854976">August 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I was hoping we'd get Tirico full time until Michaels retires and he moved to Sunday Night Football.

 

[BGIF]

...and they're lowering the capacity of the stadium.

I wonder what the average attendance would be if the stadium held 120,000?

It would be a problem unless there were more support facilities, such as, hotelrooms, restaurants, and parking was added in the market and 6 or 7 weekends of business didn't warrant investment in those amenities.

This was discussed on ND boards back in '96 when the stadium was expanded and fans wanted to know why ND did notput in seats for 100K or more. The demand for ND tickets is considerably greater outside the Gameday driving area.

 

[ulukinatme]

...and they're lowering the capacity of the stadium.

I wonder what the average attendance would be if the stadium held 120,000?

I thought the project said we're adding 3-4k seats? I realize some seats are being lost because they're opening up the one end of the of field as well as normalizing seat sizes, but I thought we were looking at a net gain?

 

[BGIF]

I thought the project said we're adding 3-4k seats? I realize some seats are being lost because they're opening up the one end of the of field as well as normalizing seat sizes, but I thought we were looking at a net gain?

They're adding premium seating but decreasing the bench seating as the wooden bench seats are replaced with the vinyl coated, galvanized steel bench seats. The new seat allow a whopping 18 inches in width per fanny reducing the number of fannies in the stadium overall.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

They're adding premium seating but decreasing the bench seating as the wooden bench seats are replaced with the vinyl coated, galvanized steel bench seats. The new seat allow a whopping 18 inches in width per fanny reducing the number of fannies in the stadium overall.

So what is the net loss in total seating?


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[BobbyMac]

It would be a problem unless there were more support facilities, such as, hotelrooms, restaurants, and parking was added in the market and 6 or 7 weekends of business didn't warrant investment in those amenities.

This was discussed on ND boards back in '96 when the stadium was expanded and fans wanted to know why ND did notput in seats for 100K or more. The demand for ND tickets is considerably greater outside the Gameday driving area.

1. I've heard these arguments and I don't buy it. Half that stadium drives back to Chicago after the game. If more people knew they could get a ticket, they'd drive over from Chicago and drive back. Plus, who wants to stay and "party" in SB when you can head back to Chicago and go to Gene & Georgetti's?

2. If you knew you could easily get a ticket, so many more locals would go to the games. It's simply the high cost of tickets and the thought of not getting in that deters many people. It would shock people how many people are in the parking lots during the game that didn't find a ticket or didn't want to part with the ask. I used to be that guy a lot when I was in high school and college. I'd just find someone with a TV and watch with them up until I was 21, then we'd hit a bar.

So what is the net loss in total seating?

Seating capacity will be under 80,000. Figure has not been finalized yet.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

1. I've heard these arguments and I don't buy it. Half that stadium drives back to Chicago after the game. If more people knew they could get a ticket, they'd drive over from Chicago and drive back. Plus, who wants to stay and "party" in SB when you can head back to Chicago and go to Gene & Georgetti's?



2. If you knew you could easily get a ticket, so many more locals would go to the games. It's simply the high cost of tickets and the thought of not getting in that deters many people. It would shock people how many people are in the parking lots during the game that didn't find a ticket or didn't want to part with the ask. I used to be that guy a lot when I was in high school and college. I'd just find someone with a TV and watch with them up until I was 21, then we'd hit a bar.







Seating capacity will be under 80,000. Figure has not been finalized yet.

Ugh. We already have a smaller seating amount than most major college football schools. Now we are going under 80k. I don't like it.


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[Crazy Balki]

Yeah, that's disappointing to hear.

I was more than expecting us to amp it up to near 85,000. I never anticipated we were DOWNsizing. I don't think we need a 100K+ seat stadium, but I'd certainly like to be able to have around 85K.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Yeah, that's disappointing to hear.

I was more than expecting us to amp it up to near 85,000. I never anticipated we were DOWNsizing. I don't think we need a 100K+ seat stadium, but I'd certainly like to be able to have around 85K.

Agree. I think 85k would be about perfect.


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[BGIF]

So what is the net loss in total seating?

As of the 8/27/16 article that arrowryan posted two days ago, linked below, the exact seating number (and hence the net loss in total seating is unknown but it will be less than 80K.

That same article notes the new bench seats are 18" wide instead of the 16" width of the wooden seats. Wiki lists seating seating capacity of 80,795.

So if you multiply 80,795 by 16" wide old bench seats to get total inches of seating then divide by 18" new seats you get 71,817. That would be about 9K seats lost but the gold seats aren't 16" wide and won't be changing, (I believe).

Further ND is adding a Vistors Tunnel where the ND bands sits so figure the band moves into reserved seats for another reduction.

Now add back in the 2-3K seats estimated for the Premium Boxes and it appears to me that perhaps 5 K seats will disappear. I'd appreciate someone running the numbers and adding anything I've overlooked.




New benches, new lights for Notre Dame Stadium as construction project moves forward | Local | southbendtribune.com

Notre Dame Stadium's official seating capacity currently is 80,795.

The traditional redwood benches in the lower bowl will be replaced by next summer with the same galvanized steel benches covered with vinyl that are now in the upper bowl. When the new benches are installed in the lower bowl, the seats in those sections will be widened about 2 inches each: from an average of 16 inches wide to an average of 18 inches.

That will result in more comfort for fans, but a reduction in the number of seats. Even with the added premium seating, the total number of seats in the stadium when the project is complete is expected to be less than now. "It will be less than 80,000, including the premium seats," Brown said.

A precise figure for the future official seating capacity has not yet been announced.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Not a fan of having the stadium hold <80,000.

 

[Irish Insanity]

For as small as the stadium is compared to other major programs, that's a fairly significant loss of seating.

 

[BGIF]

Not a fan of having the stadium hold <80,000.

Wait till they count the standing room in the classrooms and ballroom.

 

[woolybug25]

We are in front of the trend, my friends. Get used to stadiums reducing seats. It's a well known fact that people are going to less games. So you can be a team that can sit 100k with a demand for 80k... Or be a team that has seats for 75k and demand for 80k. I hope I don't need to explain supply and demand for you guys, right?

Teams are going to put more and more into game day experience over just amount of Fannie's in seats. There's a reason scumbears give tickets away for buying a Coke and we sell out Navy.

 

[wizards8507]

We are in front of the trend, my friends. Get used to stadiums reducing seats. It's a well known fact that people are going to less games. So you can be a team that can sit 100k with a demand for 80k... Or be a team that has seats for 75k and demand for 80k. I hope I don't need to explain supply and demand for you guys, right?

Teams are going to put more and more into game day experience over just amount of Fannie's in seats. There's a reason scumbears give tickets away for buying a Coke and we sell out Navy.

It's a shame the season is starting, because Wooly and I tend to agree about football topics. It's no fun for anyone.

He's spot on here.

 

[Crazy Balki]

We are in front of the trend, my friends. Get used to stadiums reducing seats. It's a well known fact that people are going to less games. So you can be a team that can sit 100k with a demand for 80k... Or be a team that has seats for 75k and demand for 80k. I hope I don't need to explain supply and demand for you guys, right?

Teams are going to put more and more into game day experience over just amount of Fannie's in seats. There's a reason scumbears give tickets away for buying a Coke and we sell out Navy.

Good point, that being said, being it's ND, you'd think the demand would still be sufficient with a modest bump, rather than a modest drop.

 

[wizards8507]

Good point, that being said, being it's ND, you'd think the demand would still be sufficient with a modest bump, rather than a modest drop.

The stadium is a giant concrete bowl. There's no such thing as a "modest" expansion. The decrease is due to more room on the benches but an increase would mean expanding the bowl and there's no way to do that modestly.

 

[cody1smith]

Tell that theory to McDonald's

 

[woolybug25]

Tell that theory to McDonald's

Yeah... Because it's not like they haven't tried to drastically change their menu to give more healthy options or anything. That must be why they are opening up so many new locations...

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13434134/1/mcdonald-s-to-close-about-500-restaurants-in-2016.html

 

[IrishLion]

In the words of Champ Kind from Anchorman, it is a scientific fact that the GameDay experience is slowly changing.

Wooly hit it, but the fact is that the in-person experience doesn't appeal to the normal, average fan as much as it used to, when you take into account rising cost of attendance and continuously improving home entertainment.

As the Blue Hairs circulate out, there won't be quite the same type of demand to replace them. Slightly decreasing the supply, especially in favor of a unique improvement (space for America's expanding asses), will help keep things balanced and help preserve a full stadium each Saturday.

For the record, I'm a guy that would love to see 100k ravenous fans fill that stadium every Saturday... but that's not realistic for ND's situation.

 

[BobbyMac]

We are in front of the trend, my friends. Get used to stadiums reducing seats. It's a well known fact that people are going to less games. So you can be a team that can sit 100k with a demand for 80k... Or be a team that has seats for 75k and demand for 80k. I hope I don't need to explain supply and demand for you guys, right?

Teams are going to put more and more into game day experience over just amount of Fannie's in seats. There's a reason scumbears give tickets away for buying a Coke and we sell out Navy.

The one thing you are not accounting for is latent demand in Michiana/The Region. I don't know if you grew up in SW Mit but I grew up there and when I come back for games I go through MC where there are three types of people. People who have tickets, people who would go if they had tickets for that day's game and people who watch at the bars because they think it's next to impossible to get tickets or have been stranded one too many times in the parking lot.

There are so many local fans that don't go because they believe it's a hassle to get tickets... or impossible because it's always "sold out". We know the truth, it's usually pretty easy to score tickets if you go early and have cash. Some people just aren't built for buying tix on game day from a guy on the corner.

I like the fact that ND sells out and the stadium is full but you would have to show me a study by people smarter than I that stated if the stadium was 100k+, it would be 85% of capacity the majority of the time.

 

[woolybug25]

The one thing you are not accounting for is latent demand in Michiana/The Region. I don't know if you grew up in SW Mit but I grew up there and when I come back for games I go through MC where there are three types of people. People who have tickets, people who would go if they had tickets for that day's game and people who watch at the bars because they think it's next to impossible to get tickets or have been stranded one too many times in the parking lot.

There are so many local fans that don't go because they believe it's a hassle to get tickets... or impossible because it's always "sold out". We know the truth, it's usually pretty easy to score tickets if you go early and have cash. Some people just aren't built for buying tix on game day from a guy on the corner.

I like the fact that ND sells out and the stadium is full but you would have to show me a study by people smarter than I that stated if the stadium was 100k+, it would be 85% of capacity the majority of the time.

I did grow up here. I would argue that your comments are accurate in a vacuum. But people around here don't avoid going to the games because they are difficult to get (it's common knowledge that it's in fact usually pretty easy) or that it's a hassle. They don't go because they can't afford them.

Which of course, leads me back to the original point of supply and demand.

 

[BobbyMac]

I did grow up here. I would argue that your comments are accurate in a vacuum. But people around here don't avoid going to the games because they are difficult to get (it's common knowledge that it's in fact usually pretty easy) or that it's a hassle. They don't go because they can't afford them.

Which of course, leads me back to the original point of supply and demand.

My poors in LaPorte Co. can... or will because LP and MC are big Catholic towns where ND is king. Porter County can afford it, Cheesetown and Valpo at least. Lake Co? CP, LS, Munster, Highland can... the rest save up their couch change for chips and 9mm ammo.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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My poors in LaPorte Co. can... or will because LP and MC are big Catholic towns where ND is king. Porter County can afford it, Cheesetown and Valpo at least. Lake Co? CP, LS, Munster, Highland can... the rest save up their couch change for chips and 9mm ammo.

I'm assuming LS isn't Lake Station? Houses are cheaper than tickets there.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Random question for the board: how does one explain what makes ND football so unique to someone who moved to this country 8 years ago and knows nothing about college football?

 

[wizards8507]

Random question for the board: how does one explain what makes ND football so unique to someone who moved to this country 8 years ago and knows nothing about college football?

Where did they come from? Is there something comparable from their home country / culture that you can use as an analogy?

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah, I was under the impression we were getting a net increase, even with the seats widening. Definitely not a fan if we're losing seats. Between price increases and demand as it is, we don't need to decrease the supply. I don't give a damn about a sell out streak or anything, it's not like any stadium is ever at 100% capacity on game day, there's always holes where people don't show.

People cited the fact we have one of the more modest stadiums in relation to other big name programs, but consider this: at the end of the day we're still a smaller Catholic school in Indiana. Those other schools all are big state schools with a tremendously larger alumni base than ours. When you think about it, it's rather impressive we sell out with any regularity, especially given the down years we experienced for so long. That's ND football for you.