Game of Thrones

[dublinirish]

During football season? Those bastards

going head to head with Sunday Night Football will be interesting.

 

[zelezo vlk]

going head to head with Sunday Night Football will be interesting.

They could just do Saturday night. ND will already be out of the playoff discussion with 3 losses by then...

 

[IrishLion]

I don't think the show did a good job of giving us reference of time. All we know, is that it was a hard run away from the wall. We don't know it was over night,

I felt the opposite. It shows the group stranded on the rock at midday, maybe closer to evening. The scene cuts away. The next time they show the group, it's night. The scene cuts away again, and shows Gendry arriving at Eastwatch what is presumably the next morning. The next scene shows the group again on the rock, and this time it's light out again.

I felt like the editing was taking care to show the passage of day-night-dawn, despite how quickly the transition happened.

we don't know any details other than it was hard.

 

[IrishLax]

I have so many problems with last night's episode. Don't get me wrong, I thought the episode was thoroughly enjoyable and I was on the edge of my seat for much of it, but the writers have seriously gotten way too loose now that there isn't source material to follow:
1. We need to go capture a zombie never made sense because they were always likely to encounter the giant undead horde. They had no plan for when that happened?
2. Why didn't they have someone on daily ice breaking duty as it started to refreeze.
3. The whole operation between sending Gendry to the wall -> raven -> dragons fly north has to take a minimum 4 days even if you are extremely generous with flight speeds. Fine. Meanwhile, all-seeing Bran is just chilling in the Godswood... doesn't see this happening and couldn't have shot off a raven himself?
4. The Night's King I guess has a magic arm a la Uncle Rico and can throw a spear a half a mile without losing velocity. Makes no sense, but w/e can chalk that shit up to "magic" I guess... if he has that kind of power why wasn't he just gunning down the Fellowship while they were on the rock.
5. Where the hell could they possibly get chains like that north of the wall?

Just a lot of needlessly dumb stuff. It's like there is no quality control on some of these narratives in the writing room.

 

[IrishLion]

5. Where the hell could they possibly get chains like that north of the wall?

Sent a crew along the bottom of the ocean; re-purposed and reanimated the dead chain from the Battle of the Blackwater.

Screenshot from deleted scene:

 

[zelezo vlk]

I have so many problems with last night's episode. Don't get me wrong, I thought the episode was thoroughly enjoyable and I was on the edge of my seat for much of it, but the writers have seriously gotten way too loose now that there isn't source material to follow:
1. We need to go capture a zombie never made sense because they were always likely to encounter the giant undead horde. They had no plan for when that happened?
2. Why didn't they have someone on daily ice breaking duty as it started to refreeze.
3. The whole operation between sending Gendry to the wall -> raven -> dragons fly north has to take a minimum 4 days even if you are extremely generous with flight speeds. Fine. Meanwhile, all-seeing Bran is just chilling in the Godswood... doesn't see this happening and couldn't have shot off a raven himself?
4. The Night's King I guess has a magic arm a la Uncle Rico and can throw a spear a half a mile without losing velocity. Makes no sense, but w/e can chalk that shit up to "magic" I guess... if he has that kind of power why wasn't he just gunning down the Fellowship while they were on the rock.
5. Where the hell could they possibly get chains like that north of the wall?

Just a lot of needlessly dumb stuff. It's like there is no quality control on some of these narratives in the writing room.

Sent a crew along the bottom of the ocean; re-purposed and reanimated the dead chain from the Battle of the Blackwater.

Screenshot from deleted scene:

The pic is so tiny that I couldn't see any details and thought you were serious for a moment

 

[irishog77]

I have so many problems with last night's episode. Don't get me wrong, I thought the episode was thoroughly enjoyable and I was on the edge of my seat for much of it, but the writers have seriously gotten way too loose now that there isn't source material to follow:
1. We need to go capture a zombie never made sense because they were always likely to encounter the giant undead horde. They had no plan for when that happened?
2. Why didn't they have someone on daily ice breaking duty as it started to refreeze.
3. The whole operation between sending Gendry to the wall -> raven -> dragons fly north has to take a minimum 4 days even if you are extremely generous with flight speeds. Fine. Meanwhile, all-seeing Bran is just chilling in the Godswood... doesn't see this happening and couldn't have shot off a raven himself?
4. The Night's King I guess has a magic arm a la Uncle Rico and can throw a spear a half a mile without losing velocity. Makes no sense, but w/e can chalk that shit up to "magic" I guess... if he has that kind of power why wasn't he just gunning down the Fellowship while they were on the rock.
5. Where the hell could they possibly get chains like that north of the wall?

Just a lot of needlessly dumb stuff. It's like there is no quality control on some of these narratives in the writing room.

I agree with this.

Maybe because I'm a late-comer to the show (never watched an episode until this spring), I'm thoroughly disappointed in the story lines. I still love the show, but it kind of pisses me off that they could spend what seems like countless hours depicting: the bond-building and finally a stupid oath between Brianne and Old Lady Stark, a couple episodes detailing the romance of Rob Stark and his chick that was offed almost immediately after, an entire season of the priest in King's Landing, and so on and so on. But we only get/will get a handful of episodes detailing the romance between Jon and Dany, the reveal of who Jon truly is, the demise of Cersei, and the war with the walkers-- all, ya know, the most important stuff of the entire series.

The writers and producers could have easily gotten 2, 12 episode seasons out of all this (which there isn't a fan alive that would not have wanted this)...but the decision was made to end the series, so the audience has to suffer through everything just being thrown together at the end.



Anyway, one thing I will be curious to see if if the dead dragon spits fire, or spits ice.

 

[ACamp1900]

So I stopped watching a few seasons ago but I'm curious... they never addressed Lady Stone Heart and we still have no clue wtf happened to Howland Reed??

 

[IrishLion]

So I stopped watching a few seasons ago but I'm curious... they never addressed Lady Stone Heart and we still have no clue wtf happened to Howland Reed??

Lady Stone Heart was axed... though the character was there in "spirit" last season via Lem Lemoncloak.

Howland Reed is chillin' at home. His daughter is on her way back to him right now. She mentioned that she was going home to see her father.

 

[ACamp1900]

Lady Stone Heart was axed... though the character was there in "spirit" last season via Lem Lemoncloak.

Howland Reed is chillin' at home. His daughter is on her way back to him right now. She mentioned that she was going home to see her father.

-LSH, oh so she actually came into the story then??

-HR, if he's 'just been chillin at home' this whole time that would be extremely disappointing...

 

[wizards8507]

Sent a crew along the bottom of the ocean; re-purposed and reanimated the dead chain from the Battle of the Blackwater.

Screenshot from deleted scene:

Hector Barbossa is the Night King confirmed.

 

[irishog77]

Lady Stone Heart?

 

[ACamp1900]

Lady Stone Heart?

Maybe I'm just getting shit confused with my marriage... both have lots of needless violence and blood sacrifice.

 

[IrishLion]

-LSH, oh so she actually came into the story then??

-HR, if he's 'just been chillin at home' this whole time that would be extremely disappointing...

She doesn't exist in the show, but parts of her character/motivation were transposed onto characters that appeared last season. So we won't get Lady Stoneheart, but her revenge-based guerrilla warfare was present in the background of the show's universe.

As for Howland Reed, that's what he's doing in the books, too, essentially, so perhaps he has a role to play still. He could show up in book 7/season 8 or something.

 

[ACamp1900]

As for Howland Reed, that's what he's doing in the books, too, essentially, so perhaps he has a role to play still. He could show up in book 7/season 8 or something.

Say that shit again and I'll cut you... when I read the books, waiting for/guessing on some grand play by Reed was one of my fav theories or things to anticipate. Him completely ignoring The Starks repeated pleas and doing absolutely nothing would be epic levels of suck ass... but I suppose there was a reason I kind of just gave up on this universe...

 

[wizards8507]

Another point about the manufactured drama between Sansa and Arya. If Arya is supposed to be a ninja assassin who can tell exactly when people are lying... why couldn't she tell that Sansa was telling the truth about the letter?

 

[IrishLion]

Another point about the manufactured drama between Sansa and Arya. If Arya is supposed to be a ninja assassin who can tell exactly when people are lying... why couldn't she tell that Sansa was telling the truth about the letter?

She knew she was telling the truth, she just didn't care.

"Blah blah blah you didn't have to betray the family if they didn't have a knife to your throat blah blah blah."

I'm still hoping it's all an elaborate show, but the tension seemed too in-depth to be part of a scheme.

The only thing that gives me pause is that Littlefinger was trying to convince Sansa to use Brienne against Arya if she needs to... but then Sansa sends Brienne to King's Landing.

Sansa seeing through his bullshit? Or eliminating the idea that Arya could use Brienne?

 

[IrishLax]

Another point about the manufactured drama between Sansa and Arya. If Arya is supposed to be a ninja assassin who can tell exactly when people are lying... why couldn't she tell that Sansa was telling the truth about the letter?

I think she could, but she didn't care. Like she knows she was scared/forced but said something like "I don't give a shit, I would've died before writing that." That's how I remember the dialogue.

I think Arya is actually in on the idea that Littlefinger is setting all of this up and wants to see whether Sansa chooses Littlefinger or loyalty to Jon. She's intentionally putting Sansa in a high-pressure, uncomfortable situation to see how she reacts.

 

[dublinirish]

Lady Stone Heart?

LSH was in the books, Catelyn Stark reanimated after the red wedding slaughter

 

[IrishLion]

She knew she was telling the truth, she just didn't care.

"Blah blah blah you didn't have to betray the family if they didn't have a knife to your throat blah blah blah."

I think she could, but she didn't care.

"I don't give a shit, I would've died before writing that."

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I think she could, but she didn't care. Like she knows she was scared/forced but said something like "I don't give a shit, I would've died before writing that." That's how I remember the dialogue.

I think Arya is actually in on the idea that Littlefinger is setting all of this up and wants to see whether Sansa chooses Littlefinger or loyalty to Jon. She's intentionally putting Sansa in a high-pressure, uncomfortable situation to see how she reacts.

Nope, nope.

The writers have had time to flip the table.

They are clearly making it known that Arya is caught in his ladder...With that said, Arya might "figure it out" at some point...But at the present time, she's being out played...Thanks, forced drama.

 

[Luckylucci]

Nope, nope.

The writers have had time to flip the table.

They are clearly making it known that Arya is caught in his ladder...With that said, Arya might "figure it out" at some point...But at the present time, she's being out played...Thanks, forced drama.

I disagree, I think that's what they want you to think. Because that's what Arya wants Littlefinger to think.

 

[IrishLax]

Nope, nope.

The writers have had time to flip the table.

They are clearly making it known that Arya is caught in his ladder...With that said, Arya might "figure it out" at some point...But at the present time, she's being out played...Thanks, forced drama.

Completely disagree. She intentionally doesn't answer where she got the letter, and she is great at sniffing out motives. She probably knows that Littlefinger getting a copy and "hiding" it instead of burning it means it was a plant. Or if she doesn't, she'll figure it out soon.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I disagree, I think that's what they want you to think. Because that's what Arya wants Littlefinger to think.

I think, you think, the writers are more competent than they are.

 

[IrishLion]

Completely disagree. She intentionally doesn't answer where she got the letter, and she is great at sniffing out motives. She probably knows that Littlefinger getting a copy and "hiding" it instead of burning it means it was a plant. Or if she doesn't, she'll figure it out soon.

I also think there's still a chance that they are working together, though I'd feel more confident in that regard if they would have shown LF eavesdropping during Sansa/Arya's argument.

Sansa sends Brienne away after LF tells her that she could use Brienne... going against his wishes

Arya doesn't reveal where she found the letter, nor does she press forward with the "lying game" once Sansa begins to explain herself

Arya presents Sansa with the assassin's knife, despite the tension (am I missing something in why she would do that after an argument? Show of force?)

Sansa goes on a long tangent about how the Vale came to her aid, perhaps realizing that she now has more power than LF.

I hope beyond hope that the sisters are playing him, or at least that Arya is intentionally getting Sansa riled up so that there is some major confrontation with LF.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Completely disagree. She intentionally doesn't answer where she got the letter, and she is great at sniffing out motives. She probably knows that Littlefinger getting a copy and "hiding" it instead of burning it means it was a plant. Or if she doesn't, she'll figure it out soon.

Once she's got LF where she wants him, I could see Arya telling Sansa that she needed her to fear her in order to force LF to show his hand, etc.

I also think there's still a chance that they are working together, though I'd feel more confident in that regard if they would have shown LF eavesdropping during Sansa/Arya's argument.

That would only make sense if those two arguments were performances meant to deceive LF, but we didn't get any indication that he was spying on them during either conversation. The show-runners never pass up an opportunity to show LF twirling his mustache in some dark corner.

 

[GATTACA!]

Sent a crew along the bottom of the ocean; re-purposed and reanimated the dead chain from the Battle of the Blackwater.

Screenshot from deleted scene:

 

[GATTACA!]

Say that shit again and I'll cut you... when I read the books, waiting for/guessing on some grand play by Reed was one of my fav theories or things to anticipate. Him completely ignoring The Starks repeated pleas and doing absolutely nothing would be epic levels of suck ass... but I suppose there was a reason I kind of just gave up on this universe...

Ignore Lion. Howland Reed died at the end of last season.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I just realized this morning that we didn't see Sam at all last night. I want answers

 

[Emcee77]

I have so many problems with last night's episode. Don't get me wrong, I thought the episode was thoroughly enjoyable and I was on the edge of my seat for much of it, but the writers have seriously gotten way too loose now that there isn't source material to follow:
1. We need to go capture a zombie never made sense because they were always likely to encounter the giant undead horde. They had no plan for when that happened?
2. Why didn't they have someone on daily ice breaking duty as it started to refreeze.
3. The whole operation between sending Gendry to the wall -> raven -> dragons fly north has to take a minimum 4 days even if you are extremely generous with flight speeds. Fine. Meanwhile, all-seeing Bran is just chilling in the Godswood... doesn't see this happening and couldn't have shot off a raven himself?
4. The Night's King I guess has a magic arm a la Uncle Rico and can throw a spear a half a mile without losing velocity. Makes no sense, but w/e can chalk that shit up to "magic" I guess... if he has that kind of power why wasn't he just gunning down the Fellowship while they were on the rock.
5. Where the hell could they possibly get chains like that north of the wall?

Just a lot of needlessly dumb stuff. It's like there is no quality control on some of these narratives in the writing room.

Totally agree. Almost everything that happened in last night's episode depended on a character doing something implausible, whether because it seems impossible for a person to do or because it's not reasonable to expect that character to do it under the circumstances.

And yet, I dug it. The frozen lake battle was amazing.

I think she could, but she didn't care. Like she knows she was scared/forced but said something like "I don't give a shit, I would've died before writing that." That's how I remember the dialogue.

I think Arya is actually in on the idea that Littlefinger is setting all of this up and wants to see whether Sansa chooses Littlefinger or loyalty to Jon. She's intentionally putting Sansa in a high-pressure, uncomfortable situation to see how she reacts.

Yeah, I think this is more right than wrong.

The thing about Arya is, she couldn't become a true Faceless Man because she couldn't leave the Stark part of her behind. But the showrunners want to show us that the experience didn't leave her unchanged; at least, I assume that is why she is acting like a weirdo sociopath. So those two aspects of her personality are in tension, but when the rubber meets the road, she will choose House Stark.