Game of Thrones

[woolybug25]

Count me in the group of people who were underwhelmed by the fight scene.

I guess I don't get the fight scene hate. I didn't see it as a "battle" scene. It was simply there for Euron to get Cersei her "gift". They cant have a Battle of The Bastards every episode. lol

 

[GATTACA!]

I was mostly joking. In all seriousness I think the larger reason why this absolutely won't happen is because the show is trying to frame either Jon or Dany or both as the "good guys", and the writers probably don't want to introduce that level of ick into the equation. Also Dany sucks and Jon knows better.

It would be a pretty funny turn though. From Season One where we are given a cheap reason to dislike the Lannisters because of their relationship to the final countdown where our heroes do the same thing.

I would have agreed with you up until last night. That scene with Varys was giving me super strong mad queen vibes. Especially since we haven't seen anything from him that would make the audience thinks he's plotting against her.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I guess I don't get the fight scene hate. I didn't see it as a "battle" scene. It was simply there for Euron to get Cersei her "gift". They cant have a Battle of The Bastards every episode. lol

It doesn't have to be Battle of the Bastards, but the jump cuts were not just annoying, they make it harder to actually follow what's going on. Euron getting Cersei her gift? Awesome. How it was actually shot? Terrible.

A guy on FB posted last night that the director of "Stormborn", Mark Mylod, has been responsible for 4 of the least popular episodes in GoT. We still have one of his episodes left this season...I'll brace myself.

 

[IrishLion]

The love for the "Scouring of the Shire" is interesting. It leaves a lot open for what GRRM can do with the end of the series, within that scope. Whoever remains standing in the end to claim the throne, victorious, could return to King's Landing (or Dragonstone, or Winterfell, wherever their chosen seat may be), to find that there is already an open rebellion from remaining lords. The series ends with a hero continuing to fight the good fight, after having defeated the "big" enemies (Cersei and the Night's King?)

Or, the "big" fights end, only for our Hero to return home to find nothing to rule over.


Reading through wikis after some of these convos, I found some other interesting tidbits:

The three "Great" Targ dragons only took the field of battle together once or twice... will we see the same MO from Dany? Tyrion reads a lot, so I could see him advising her to keep them in a rotation of sorts based on history, or something along those lines. It ensures that at least one of her dragons will always be safe; it opens the path for a big story moment where someone shows up with second/third dragons to save the day in a battle where only one/two were present; it saves HBO a bunch of CGI money. It will be interesting to see if they address that in the writing/plot, or if it's just kind of ignored and she uses all three of her dragons at will.


The other thing to consider in the end game: It's pretty much confirmed that the Maesters conspired to suppress magic, which went hand-in-hand with the decline of the dragons.

Now that Dragons are back, and the Night's King is active, are the Maesters going to act to once again suppress magic? Or do they just ignore the realm's issues and let them play out, planning to clean up the mess of whoever/whatever remains in the end? Is that why Sam's pleadings are being ignored, even though the Maesters know he is likely telling the truth about everything, and that they likely know dragons have returned?

 

[BobbyMac]

Watched the first 3 seasons over the past week. Lord of the Rings meets Days of Our Lives. At least now my chicky can't say no to Dunkirk on account of it being too gory.

 

[woolybug25]

It doesn't have to be Battle of the Bastards, but the jump cuts were not just annoying, they make it harder to actually follow what's going on. Euron getting Cersei her gift? Awesome. How it was actually shot? Terrible.

A guy on FB posted last night that the director of "Stormborn", Mark Mylod, has been responsible for 4 of the least popular episodes in GoT. We still have one of his episodes left this season...I'll brace myself.

You're kidding right? Mark Mylod directed some of the best episodes in the entire series with "The Winds of Winter", "Hardhome", "The Door" and "Battle of the Bastards".

I suppose I'll "Brace Myself" too... but probably for a different reason. lolz

 

[irishroo]

Why do so many people think Jon Snow won't "bend the knee" for Dany? He's been consistently portrayed as a reluctant King (he even said something in last night's episode along the lines of "I never asked [to be King in the North]"), Dany actually has a very legitimate claim to the Iron Throne based on lineage (which Jon should respect given his characterization as "the honorable one"), she's being advised by one of the very few people on the planet Jon likes and seemingly trusts in Tyrion, and, most importantly, she's in control of the best hope to defeat the Night King in her 3 dragons. Jon has harped over and over on the fact that the real enemy lies to the north rather than to the south, and has made it abundantly clear that his first priority is north of the wall. Given all that, what possible reason could Jon have to not support Dany's claim (assuming she doesn't make any outrageous demands beyond his support)?

 

[zelezo vlk]

You're kidding right? Mark Mylod directed some of the best episodes in the entire series with "The Winds of Winter", "Hardhome", "The Door" and "Battle of the Bastards".

I suppose I'll "Brace Myself" too... but probably for a different reason. lolz

Uhh, he did none of those. Are you thinking of Miguel Sapochnik?

Btw, next week's episode is titled "The Queen's Justice", per IMDB. Nice...but it's directed by Mylod.

 

[woolybug25]

Uhh, he did none of those. Are you thinking of Miguel Sapochnik?

Btw, next week's episode is titled "The Queen's Justice", per IMDB. Nice...but it's directed by Mylod.

What am I reading wrong?

Mark Mylod | Game of Thrones Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia

 

[zelezo vlk]

What am I reading wrong?

Mark Mylod | Game of Thrones Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia

Well, I'm using his IMDB page Mark Mylod - IMDb

Also, your page says:

On July 15, 2014, it was announced that Mylod would be directing two episodes in the fifth season, the third and fourth episodes.[1] On June 25, 2015, it was revealed he would come back for the sixth season to direct the seventh and eighth episodes.

I have literally no idea why it lists all of the episodes in those seasons below, though. That's some pretty terrible formatting. Mylod directed "No One" (2016), "The Broken Man" (2016), "Sons of the Harpy" (2015), and "High Sparrow" (2015) before this season.

 

[woolybug25]

Why do so many people think Jon Snow won't "bend the knee" for Dany? He's been consistently portrayed as a reluctant King (he even said something in last night's episode along the lines of "I never asked [to be King in the North]"), Dany actually has a very legitimate claim to the Iron Throne based on lineage (which Jon should respect given his characterization as "the honorable one"), she's being advised by one of the very few people on the planet Jon likes and seemingly trusts in Tyrion, and, most importantly, she's in control of the best hope to defeat the Night King in her 3 dragons. Jon has harped over and over on the fact that the real enemy lies to the north rather than to the south, and has made it abundantly clear that his first priority is north of the wall. Given all that, what possible reason could Jon have to not support Dany's claim (assuming she doesn't make any outrageous demands beyond his support)?

Uhh.... maybe because her father tortured and murdered his uncles and called for Ned Stark's head.

Additionally, if Rhaegar actually married Lyanna as rumored, then nobody has a better claim to the throne than Jon.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Uhh.... maybe because her father tortured and murdered his uncles and called for Ned Stark's head.

Additionally, if Rhaegar actually married Lyanna as rumored, then nobody has a better claim to the throne than Jon.

Could Rhaegar actually have married Lyanna though? Was he not still married to Elia Martell?

 

[woolybug25]

Well, I'm using his IMDB page Mark Mylod - IMDb

Also, your page says:



I have literally no idea why it lists all of the episodes in those seasons below, though. That's some pretty terrible formatting. Mylod directed "No One" (2016), "The Broken Man" (2016), "Sons of the Harpy" (2015), and "High Sparrow" (2015) before this season.

Interesting. Yeah, I just went to the wiki as that's where I get a lot of reference stuff for the show. Maybe it's some kind of typo or something. Maybe he had producing credit? Either way, I thought he did a good job with this episode.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Interesting. Yeah, I just went to the wiki as that's where I get a lot of reference stuff for the show. Maybe it's some kind of typo or something. Maybe he had producing credit? Either way, I thought he did a good job with this episode.

Yeah overall I thought it was fine. Still gratuitous nudity and I thought the battle scene was poorly shot, but overall still a fine episode. It was great compared to the "filler" episodes we've had in the last few seasons.

 

[woolybug25]

Could Rhaegar actually have married Lyanna though? Was he not still married to Elia Martell?

Several of the past Targaryan's married multiple women (Aegon I Targaryen, Visenya and Rhaenys). In the books, he also talks to Elia about the prophecy of the Three Headed Dragon, which is why many people believe that she actually supported it. As it was a prophecy she believed in as well.

 

[woolybug25]

Yeah overall I thought it was fine. Still gratuitous nudity and I thought the battle scene was poorly shot, but overall still a fine episode. It was great compared to the "filler" episodes we've had in the last few seasons.

You and Wiz are severely outweighed in your dislike of nudity. The rest of us are all for boobies.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Several of the past Targaryan's married multiple women (Aegon I Targaryen, Visenya and Rhaenys). In the books, he also talks to Elia about the prophecy of the Three Headed Dragon, which is why many people believe that she actually supported it. As it was a prophecy she believed in as well.

Well alright then

 

[ND NYC]

last night: "No one can protect me..."


A Girl is No One.


hmm....

 

[irishroo]

Uhh.... maybe because her father tortured and murdered his uncles and called for Ned Stark's head.

Additionally, if Rhaegar actually married Lyanna as rumored, then nobody has a better claim to the throne than Jon.

Remember last episode?

"I will not punish sons and daughters for the crimes of their fathers."
- Jon Snow

The latter part of what you said is true in theory, but Bran is the only person alive who knows this. He's currently presumed dead by everyone in Westeros (maybe about to change though given his arrival at Castle Black), and I have a hard time believing that anybody will believe him or care even if they do believe him. It's pretty clear that the vast majority of the power players in the story don't care about traditional succession rules, so even if they actually do believe the magical visions of a long-presumed-dead cripple, will it really matter? I doubt it

 

[woolybug25]

Remember last episode?

"I will not punish sons and daughters for the crimes of their fathers."
- Jon Snow

You took that as him being okay with kneeling? That's weird, as he certainly has no plan to respond to Cersei's call for his knee.

The latter part of what you said is true in theory, but Bran is the only person alive who knows this. He's currently presumed dead by everyone in Westeros (maybe about to change though given his arrival at Castle Black), and I have a hard time believing that anybody will believe him or care even if they do believe him. It's pretty clear that the vast majority of the power players in the story don't care about traditional succession rules, so even if they actually do believe the magical visions of a long-presumed-dead cripple, will it really matter? I doubt it

You don't think Jon cares about Bran? I beg to differ.

Furthermore, to act like we won't find out the details of Rhaegar and Lyanna seems pretty odd to me. We will know those details, so I imagine Jon and Dany will as well.

Finally... Bran is not the only person that knows. Littlefinger, Howland Reed (wherever he is) and possibly Varys all know about Jon. There are even theories of others that know like one of the members of BWBs. But ultimately, only one of those people have to tell someone before it spreads like dragonfire (see what I did there?).

 

[irishroo]

You took that as him being okay with kneeling? That's weird, as he certainly has no plan to respond to Cersei's call for his knee.



You don't think Jon cares about Bran? I beg to differ.

Furthermore, to act like we won't find out the details of Rhaegar and Lyanna seems pretty odd to me. We will know those details, so I imagine Jon and Dany will as well.

No, I took that to mean he will not hold the actions of Dany's father against her, which is what you said he may do and what he explicitly stated he will not do. He won't submit to Cersei not because of the actions of her father, but because she's a veritable psychopath who orchestrated the destruction of his entire family.

Of course Jon cares about Bran, no one else who matters does. And yes I believe we'll find out more about R+L, I just don't think (i) many will believe Bran or (2) that the people who matter will care. Traditional succession rules have been completely thrown out the window in Westeros.

 

[woolybug25]

No, I took that to mean he will not hold the actions of Dany's father against her, which is what you said he may do and what he explicitly stated he will not do. He won't submit to Cersei not because of the actions of her father, but because she's a veritable psychopath who orchestrated the destruction of his entire family.

I think there is a pretty big abyss between punishing someone and kneeling to them.

Of course Jon cares about Bran, no one else who matters does. And yes I believe we'll find out more about R+L, I just don't think (i) many will believe Bran or (2) that the people who matter will care. Traditional succession rules have been completely thrown out the window in Westeros.

I disagree. On every point.

btw, I had an edit on my last post worth reading.

 

[irishroo]

I think there is a pretty big abyss between punishing someone and kneeling to them.



I disagree. On every point.

btw, I had an edit on my last post worth reading.

That's fair. I'm not saying Jon will for sure kneel, I'm just saying the reason he refuses to kneel (if he does so) will not be because Dany's father was a madman.

Re your edit, does Littlefinger know? Howland Reed I had assumed was dead because we haven't seen him at all in the series (save for flashbacks) and his kids are off doing something extremely dangerous, but upon some further research that's apparently not true.

 

[IrishLion]

Reed sent his chilluns out to help the Starks, or else to find out what was going on, I think.

Littlefinger is repeating rumors about Rhaegar and Lyanna, but I don't think he actually knows that Jon is the spawn of that deal, unless Wooly spotted something that I missed.

 

[ClausentoTate]

Reed sent his chilluns out to help the Starks, or else to find out what was going on, I think.

Littlefinger is repeating rumors about Rhaegar and Lyanna, but I don't think he actually knows that Jon is the spawn of that deal, unless Wooly spotted something that I missed.

Does anyone know other than Bran?

 

[IrishLion]

Does anyone know other than Bran?

Howland Reed was at the ToJ, and was the only survivor besides Ned.

Therefore it stands to reason that Reed noticed Ned Stark leaving the Tower with a baby that wasn't his, and yet claiming it WAS his bastard during their travel back to the North.

 

[BeauBenken]

Does someone want to write a summary for me about what all those visions of Bran's were of his father? Who is everyone? What does it mean? Etc.

I'm not the best on keep track of names and the visions happened so long ago I can't remember most of the finer details like you all seem to be able.

 

[calvegas04]

So based of the after show, arya turns back towards king's landing?

 

[GATTACA!]

So based of the after show, arya turns back towards king's landing?

What was said? I didn't catch the after show.

 

[woolybug25]

That's fair. I'm not saying Jon will for sure kneel, I'm just saying the reason he refuses to kneel (if he does so) will not be because Dany's father was a madman.

Re your edit, does Littlefinger know? Howland Reed I had assumed was dead because we haven't seen him at all in the series (save for flashbacks) and his kids are off doing something extremely dangerous, but upon some further research that's apparently not true.

The show made effort to make us believe that he does. When him and Sansa were in the crypt and she mentions Rhaegar kidnapping her aunt, Littlefinger gives a "bless your heart" look. Plus he (and Varys for that matter) have known every secret pretty much so far. I find it hard that either doesn't know this.

They haven't made any mention in the show of Howland Reed being dead and he is a mystery in the books as well. GRRM promised that we would know about Howland Reed by the end, which makes me think that he is a) alive and b) in hiding. Being one of the only people that know of a Targaryan heir would be a pretty good reason to be in hiding, me thinks.