Game of Thrones

[IrishLion]

I thought the battle didn't match Euron's entrance.

Showing the lightning in the black sky, then the sails on that badass monstrosity slowly materialize. Then Euron drops in with a snarl, a smile, and a battleaxe? Hooo boy he might actually be a pretty decent bad guy, despite his slightly late development.

But then the battle totally underwhelmed after his entrance, more or less. The only good part was his duel with the sandsnakes, where he took some damage and had to earn it.

Tyrion had those map pieces cast via dragon fire shortly after their arrival, off-screen, duh.

Next question: were they unaware of Euron's fleet, or was that a massive tactical failure?

 

[NOLAIrish]

I thought the battle didn't match Euron's entrance.

Showing the lightning in the black sky, then the sails on that badass monstrosity slowly materialize. Then Euron drops in with a snarl, a smile, and a battleaxe? Hooo boy he might actually be a pretty decent bad guy, despite his slightly late development.

But then the battle totally underwhelmed after his entrance, more or less. The only good part was his duel with the sandsnakes, where he took some damage and had to earn it.

Tyrion had those map pieces cast via dragon fire shortly after their arrival, off-screen, duh.

Next question: were they unaware of Euron's fleet, or was that a massive tactical failure?

It seemed like they were unaware of his fleet -- Tyrion's plan didn't seem to account for him at all.

I agree that the battle underwhelmed. It was filmed waaaay too close up and too full of cuts. I hate it when directors choose that style for fight scenes -- makes it impossible to follow the action and saps the scene of all choreography and flow.

I thought the rest of the episode was solid. Glad to be (mostly) rid of the Sand Snakes.

One question I have: Was that Yara hanging from the bowsprit as Theon bobbed around at the end of the episode? That was how I took that shot -- they lingered on that shot for quite some time and the person's clothing looked cut like what she's been wearing. Looks like other people didn't read it that way. I watched on HBO Go -- possible it was clearly/clearly not her in higher def.

 

[Luckylucci]

I try not to pick apart the show too much and just enjoy it for what it is. However, that last battle scene didn't make much sense to me. So we are to believe that Euron's ships just snuck up on them. I'm not going to pretend I know much about what should have happened but were there no spotters on their boats. It just seems highly unlikely that this massive ship would just sneak up on them like that. Isn't Yara supposed to have a pretty experienced crew as well?

 

[Bluto]

Why did they decide to sail at all? A large navy was the one advantage their enemy had. This is starting to veer into True Blood territory as far as the writing goes.

 

[GATTACA!]

- Why the hell is Dany turning on Varys like this all of a sudden? Oh, because they needed to set up this dramatic bit of dialogue.

- Princess who was promised theory confirmed. So stupid, but I blame GRRM for this one.

- Is Sansa technically still married to Tyrion?

- Randyll Tarly is a grade-A badass.

- That crossbow is VERY "The Hobbit."

- Emelia Clarke is extra gorgeous tonight.

They're setting up a mad queen arc.

Not necessarily. This could be another way to lead her down Aerys footsteps. Thinking she's some princess that was promised and giving herself a divine right to do whatever it takes.

Yes

Yes

Yes my first thought too. They need Bard the bowman.

Fuck yes

I try not to pick apart the show too much and just enjoy it for what it is. However, that last battle scene didn't make much sense to me. So we are to believe that Euron's ships just snuck up on them. I'm not going to pretend I know much about what should have happened but were there no spotters on their boats. It just seems highly unlikely that this massive ship would just sneak up on them like that. Isn't Yara supposed to have a pretty experienced crew as well?

Many people think he's the Storm God. If you notice as his ships are approaching they're bring thunder and storms with them. He could be using it to hide his approach. His ship is called Silence for a reason.

 

[jspags10pg]

It seemed like they were unaware of his fleet -- Tyrion's plan didn't seem to account for him at all.

I agree that the battle underwhelmed. It was filmed waaaay too close up and too full of cuts. I hate it when directors choose that style for fight scenes -- makes it impossible to follow the action and saps the scene of all choreography and flow.

I thought the rest of the episode was solid. Glad to be (mostly) rid of the Sand Snakes.

One question I have: Was that Yara hanging from the bowsprit as Theon bobbed around at the end of the episode? That was how I took that shot -- they lingered on that shot for quite some time and the person's clothing looked cut like what she's been wearing. Looks like other people didn't read it that way. I watched on HBO Go -- possible it was clearly/clearly not her in higher def.

To the last question...it was the Sand Snake that he strangled with the whip. Then he hung her with it and impaled her sister on the bow. Thinking Yara alive is his gift to Cersei. They can extract whatever info from her that they can get. Who knows...just my thought as I was watching.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

"give your uncle a kiss" lulz. I enjoyed the episode because it moved me closer to bigger sh!t.

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm not usually one to comment on the nudes because there's not much to say, but Nathalie Emmanuel's body is just ridiculous. A woman shouldn't be that thicc and fit at the same time.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

WINNERS:
-Boobs
-Arya learning about Winterfell
-Arya/Nymeria scene
-Euron's battle entrance

LOSERS:
-Battle scene in general
-Theon sucks at life
-Littlefinger is the worst


Overall, enjoyed the episode. Love that Jon and Dany and set up to meet next week (did I assume correctly?). Very excited for Arya's return to Winterfell as well.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm not usually one to comment on the nudes because there's not much to say, but Nathalie Emmanuel's body is just ridiculous. A woman shouldn't be that thicc and fit at the same time.

She nice.

Might be the most perfect set of boobs in the game right now.

 

[woolybug25]

Overall, enjoyed the episode. Love that Jon and Dany and set up to meet next week (did I assume correctly?). Very excited for Arya's return to Winterfell as well.

This is gonna be a huge moment. There is no doubt that she will be asking Jon to take a knee (she literally said so). It will be interesting what he decides to do. On one hand, gd it... he needs that dragonstone. On the other, Dany's pops freaking burned his uncle alive while forcing his other uncle to choke himself to death trying to save him. I would say that is tough to overcome...

Will he kneel like Torrhen Stark, known as the King Who Knelt? Or will he tell that lil biotch to shove her demands up her dragon's arse? Looks like next week we find out.

 

[IrishLion]

I bet he finds a way to refuse bending the knee, while still earning her respect.

That seems pretty standard Jon Snow OP at this point.

He's the only character who generally does the right thing and gets rewarded for it.

Plus, she gonna want the D as soon as she meets him.

 

[woolybug25]

I bet he finds a way to refuse bending the knee, while still earning her respect.

That seems pretty standard Jon Snow OP at this point.

He's the only character who generally does the right thing and gets rewarded for it.

Plus, she gonna want the D as soon as she meets him.

I agree. I think he ends up avoiding it. Maybe one of her dragons takes a liking to him or Melisandra breaks in as Dany is about to ask for his head and announces his lineage (whoa). Which would be a killer ending scene of the episode if you think about it.

 

[IrishLion]

I agree. I think he ends up avoiding it. Maybe one of her dragons takes a liking to him or Melisandra breaks in as Dany is about to ask for his head and announces his lineage (whoa). Which would be a killer ending scene of the episode if you think about it.

This is likely, or else Tyrion successfully petitions for a non-knee-bending truce of some sort.

It would be a mic-drop moment if that's how it ended, but I'd wonder how Melisandre knows his parentage.

I want a much more grand and regal reveal for that, so we can see Rhaegar in a glorious flashback.

 

[wizards8507]

I think Jon needs to bend the knee. It'll be a dagger to Jon fans and a double-dagger to Jon fans who are also Dany haters (i.e. me), but I think that's the way the story needs to go. Jon is in full Stannis "for-the-good-of-the-realm" mode.

 

[greyhammer90]

I agree. I think he ends up avoiding it. Maybe one of her dragons takes a liking to him or Melisandra breaks in as Dany is about to ask for his head and announces his lineage (whoa). Which would be a killer ending scene of the episode if you think about it.

I'm betting the meeting goes poorly and there is an attempted burning. Jon being who he is, the burning is unsuccessful.

 

[greyhammer90]

I think Jon needs to bend the knee. It'll be a dagger to Jon fans and a double-dagger to Jon fans who are also Dany haters (i.e. me), but I think that's the way the story needs to go. Jon is in full Stannis "for-the-good-of-the-realm" mode.

Shut your filthy mouth.

 

[IrishLion]

I think Jon needs to bend the knee. It'll be a dagger to Jon fans and a double-dagger to Jon fans who are also Dany haters (i.e. me), but I think that's the way the story needs to go. Jon is in full Stannis "for-the-good-of-the-realm" mode.

I'm the biggest Jon fan there is, but it wouldn't bother me too much if he bends the knee.

He gonna marry that lady, bang her, steal one of her dragons, and rule the realm as the King to her Queen anyway.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

This is gonna be a huge moment. There is no doubt that she will be asking Jon to take a knee (she literally said so). It will be interesting what he decides to do. On one hand, gd it... he needs that dragonstone. On the other, Dany's pops freaking burned his uncle alive while forcing his other uncle to choke himself to death trying to save him. I would say that is tough to overcome...

Will he kneel like Torrhen Stark, known as the King Who Knelt? Or will he tell that lil biotch to shove her demands up her dragon's arse? Looks like next week we find out.

Can you do a history recap for me. No idea what you're talking about here. Is this info from the books? Or am I just forgetting something that happened in previous seasons?

I agree. I think he ends up avoiding it. Maybe one of her dragons takes a liking to him or Melisandra breaks in as Dany is about to ask for his head and announces his lineage (whoa). Which would be a killer ending scene of the episode if you think about it.

I don't think they (writers) introduce Jon/Dany AND Jon/Dragon in the same episode. I recall Tyrion's meeting of the dragon. IMO, it was a big deal that he wasn't destroyed. I don't see how they include two monumental scenes like that in E3 of this season. I'd also prefer that Melisandra isn't the person who reveals the lineage. I hope it's Bran at some point.

I think Jon needs to bend the knee. It'll be a dagger to Jon fans and a double-dagger to Jon fans who are also Dany haters (i.e. me), but I think that's the way the story needs to go. Jon is in full Stannis "for-the-good-of-the-realm" mode.

Is this why you hate the show? You decide, in your head, how it should go and then when it doesn't, you think the writing is bad? Only half-kidding. I know your gripes as I've read many of them in the thread. But since I know people who actually do what I just asked, I feel it's a legit question.

I'm betting the meeting goes poorly and there is an attempted burning. Jon being who he is, the burning is unsuccessful.

Jon isn't full-blown Targaryen though. I thought he could be burned. Am I wrong?

 

[greyhammer90]

He gonna marry that lady, bang her, steal one of her dragons, and rule the realm as the King to her Queen anyway.

She's his aunt.

 

[wizards8507]

He gonna marry that lady, bang her, steal one of her dragons, and rule the realm as the King to her Queen anyway.

Disagree. I think Jon alone is the hero of our story, not Jon-and-Dany.

She's his aunt.

Targaryens have wed brother to sister for centuries.

Is this why you hate the show? You decide, in your head, how it should go and then when it doesn't, you think the writing is bad? Only half-kidding. I know your gripes as I've read many of them in the thread. But since I know people who actually do what I just asked, I feel it's a legit question.

I don't like when characters do things for no reason or for reasons contrary to their established personalities and motivations. I can still be surprised within that context.

 

[IrishLion]

She's his aunt.

And

 

[woolybug25]

Can you do a history recap for me. No idea what you're talking about here. Is this info from the books? Or am I just forgetting something that happened in previous seasons?

It was mentioned by Sansa when Jon said that he wanted to go to Dany. But here is the storyline from the book regarding the Mad King and the Starks.

Per the wiki, this was actually a scene that was filmed and cut from season 1 for time restrictions. I hope we somehow get this flashback scene in a warg.

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[IrishLion]

Disagree. I think Jon alone is the hero of our story, not Jon-and-Dany.

I agree, I was just trying to be tongue-in-cheek about Jon giving her the D before ruling the world himself.

I don't think there's a way that the story allows for two "good" guys to both remain standing in the end.

Targaryens have wed brother to sister for centuries.

I wonder if the biological issues caused by incest don't exist in this universe, or else if that's why the Mad King was the Mad King... some hereditary issue from in-breeding finally manifested itself in the form Aerys II.

Or else there's some other explanation, like the Dragon-Fire in their blood prevents issues.

 

[greyhammer90]

Targaryens have wed brother to sister for centuries.

That went well.

 

[woolybug25]

I wonder if the biological issues caused by incest don't exist in this universe, or else if that's why the Mad King was the Mad King... some hereditary issue from in-breeding finally manifested itself in the form Aerys II.

Or else there's some other explanation, like the Dragon-Fire in their blood prevents issues.

They note this both in the books and the show. The people call it Targaryan Madness, which is believed to be a result of their incest.

House Targaryen carries the trait for insanity in its bloodline. Over three hundred years of heavy inbreeding, marrying brother to sister whenever possible to "keep the bloodline pure," resulted in many of the medical problems seen with incest, particularly mental instability.

Targaryen madness | Game of Thrones Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia

That went well.

I think that they would argue that it did. They ruled the realm for hundreds of years with both good and bad Kings. For every Mad King, they also had a Rhaegar.

I think the Blackfyre Rebellion would argue that it hasn't always worked out when they married outside of their blood either.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

It was mentioned by Sansa when Jon said that he wanted to go to Dany. But here is the storyline from the book regarding the Mad King and the Starks.

Per the wiki, this was actually a scene that was filmed and cut from season 1 for time restrictions. I hope we somehow get this flashback scene in a warg.

Execution of Rickard and Brandon Stark | Game of Thrones Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia


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Thanks. Reps.

I hope there is a flashback. I'm disappointed the scene was cut. Seeing something sticks with me longer than hearing it. It's the main reason I completely missed Robert and Ned's very important convo in season 1. At that moment (as a viewer only, not a reader), I had no idea what any of it meant. Same goes for this situation. Hearing Jaimie or Sansa tell a story about the past doesn't stick with me. That's why I didn't know what you were talking about. Soooo many characters to keep track of with this show.

 

[greyhammer90]

I think that they would argue that it did. They ruled the realm for thousands of years with both good and bad Kings. For every Mad King, they also had a Rhaegar.

I think the Blackfyre Rebellion would argue that it hasn't always worked out when they married outside of their blood either.

I was mostly joking. In all seriousness I think the larger reason why this absolutely won't happen is because the show is trying to frame either Jon or Dany or both as the "good guys", and the writers probably don't want to introduce that level of ick into the equation. Also Dany sucks and Jon knows better.

It would be a pretty funny turn though. From Season One where we are given a cheap reason to dislike the Lannisters because of their relationship to the final countdown where our heroes do the same thing.

 

[woolybug25]

I was mostly joking. In all seriousness I think the larger reason why this absolutely won't happen is because the show is trying to frame either Jon or Dany or both as the "good guys", and the writers probably don't want to introduce that level of ick into the equation. Also Dany sucks and Jon knows better.

It would be a pretty funny turn though. From Season One where we are given a cheap reason to dislike the Lannisters because of their relationship to the final countdown where our heroes do the same thing.

It would be interesting if the show ended with no good guys. What I mean is GRRM specifically said that ending will be "bittersweet" and that he admires Tolkien.

I haven’t written the ending yet, so I don’t know, but no. That’s certainly not my intent. I’ve said before that the tone of the ending that I’m going for is bittersweet. I mean, it’s no secret that Tolkien has been a huge influence on me, and I love the way he ended Lord of the Rings. It ends with victory, but it’s a bittersweet victory. Frodo is never whole again, and he goes away to the Undying Lands, and the other people live their lives. And the scouring of the Shire—brilliant piece of work, which I didn’t understand when I was 13 years old: “Why is this here? The story’s over?” But every time I read it I understand the brilliance of that segment more and more. All I can say is that’s the kind of tone I will be aiming for. Whether I achieve it or not, that will be up to people like you and my readers to judge.

So maybe Jon is Azor Ahai. Maybe he does marry Dany. Maybe they both die. I wouldn't be surprised by anything outside of a shiny/happy storytale ending.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Count me in the group of people who were underwhelmed by the fight scene.