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Thought everything was fantastic except for the kids turning into the Children of the Corn and Maergery and the High Sparrow openly discussing their "arrangement" in front of everyone.

I love that there are no true cliffhangers but so much to look forward to. The King of the North >>>>>
 

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That was an outrageous episode.

Jon and Daenarys both offer so much.

They'll hopefully join forces. Because it'll take both to beat the Night's King.
 

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So far, that tops the list of episodes for me. There have been other episodes with epic scenes, but this one from start to finish had me hooked.

Did I miss something in previous episodes in regards to The Hound? Where is he? I also would've liked to have seen a brief clip reminding us that the White Walker army is still coming.

Other than that, my God that episode was great. Too many things to list honestly. I loved it all.
 

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Some people are pretty eagle eyed.
 

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I noticed that during the show, but didn't want to bring it up because the whole "Arthur Dayne's Sword/Dual-Wielding" argument has been had already.

It appears that one of his swords WAS Dawn, though.
 

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Thought everything was fantastic except for the kids turning into the Children of the Corn and Maergery and the High Sparrow openly discussing their "arrangement" in front of everyone.

I love that there are no true cliffhangers but so much to look forward to. The King of the North >>>>>

Was that scene meant to replace the Kevan Lannister scene from the books?
 

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Why is his sword in the tower though? Didn't he just die fighting young Ned?

We know Ned delivered Dawn to Ashara Dayne after the Tower of Joy and that the sword is at Starfell. I assume he just picked it up before he went up. Maybe someone can go back to the scene to check if they show him picking it up.
 

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Remember when we were all wondering why Dayne was dual-wielding in that battle? Turns out he simply forgot his legendary ancestral greatsword in the tower and accidentally picked up two random swords instead. Obviously.

Can't wait for this comment to be twisted into me being a "blind hater" as opposed to lazy production.

No, but in your rush to take a jab at the writing you missed that Ned is the one who carried the sword in and placed it by the bed.

Go to 2:14 or so and start watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3IwIB7yfO8
 

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No, but in your rush to take a jab at the writing you missed that Ned is the one who carried the sword in and placed it by the bed.

Go to 2:14 or so and start watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3IwIB7yfO8

Edit: Nevermind. Just saw your other post...

We know Ned delivered Dawn to Ashara Dayne after the Tower of Joy and that the sword is at Starfell. I assume he just picked it up before he went up. Maybe someone can go back to the scene to check if they show him picking it up.

"We" as in book readers? Or was this a scene early on that I missed? I binge watched all 6 seasons recently and the problem with that is I feel like a lot of details weren't absorbed. I try to recall certain events and it's a giant blur.
 
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No, but in your rush to take a jab at the writing you missed that Ned is the one who carried the sword in and placed it by the bed.

Go to 2:14 or so and start watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3IwIB7yfO8
You're right, and I went back to the Episode 3 battle and I'm tracking the custody of the sword fine. However, now that we see the hilt of the sword up close, it make Dayne's dual-wielding all the more ridiculous.
 

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Remember when we were all wondering why Dayne was dual-wielding in that battle? Turns out he simply forgot his legendary ancestral greatsword in the tower and accidentally picked up two random swords instead. Obviously.

Can't wait for this comment to be twisted into me being a "blind hater" as opposed to lazy production.

Dude come on... Dayne had Dawn in the original battle scene, in his primary sword hand. He even makes a point of planting it prominently in the ground while affixing his helm and chatting with Ned Stark & Co... it's very visible.

Your only quibble can be over him choosing a supplemental sword over a shield for his off hand.

EDIT: You seem to have addressed this in the above post, so ignore and move on.
 

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Dude come on... Dayne had Dawn in the original battle scene, in his primary sword hand. He even makes a point of planting it prominently in the ground while affixing his helm and chatting with Ned Stark & Co... it's very visible.

Your only quibble can be over him choosing a supplemental sword over a shield for his off hand.
See above, y'all are right. I wasn't really complaining about this, more playing to-type and giving the people what they want with my nitpicks.

If I actually wanted to nitpick this episode it would be 1) Varys' teleportation and 2) the fact that Arya can go full parkour after multiple stab woulds but Lancel takes one knife to the abdomen and he's down like a bitch.
 

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See above, y'all are right. I wasn't really complaining about this, more playing to-type and giving the people what they want with my nitpicks.

If I actually wanted to nitpick this episode it would be 1) Varys' teleportation and 2) the fact that Arya can go full parkour after multiple stab woulds but Lancel takes one knife to the abdomen and he's down like a bitch.

This doesn't actually bother me the way it does everyone else. We are prosecuting one case where the victim was stabbed 10 times, his intestines were protruding, and he managed to run away to safety. Then, we have another case where the victim was stabbed once, collapsed, and died. So yeah, apparently with stabbing, who knows what's going to happen.
 

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See above, y'all are right. I wasn't really complaining about this, more playing to-type and giving the people what they want with my nitpicks.

If I actually wanted to nitpick this episode it would be 1) Varys' teleportation and 2) the fact that Arya can go full parkour after multiple stab woulds but Lancel takes one knife to the abdomen and he's down like a bitch.

You obviously missed the Game of Thrones Season 6 stabbing rules:
1) Large warriors (i.e. Hotah, Lancel, etc.) are instantly debilitated and/or killed.
2) Small girls stabbed multiple times by a trained assassin... no big deal, walk it off.
 

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Other comments (mostly positive) that I don't think have been discussed yet:

1. I'm optimistic that they're going to start to get Jamie right. It's happening later than I would have liked, but the look he gave Cersei seemed to indicated that he's finally done with her. I think it's unfortunate that he's stayed loyal to her for so long with seemingly no repercussions from Tyrion's parting shots.

2. Does anyone else think there's a chance Cersei was okay with the fact that Tommen was dead? We knew she was all about her children but we also knew that she was a believer in the prophecy that said they'd all die. I think she was resigned to that fact and basically said "fuck it, might as well be queen."

3. King in the North was such an awesome scene, but does anyone else question Jon's character motivations? He flips pretty quickly from not wanting to sleep in Ned's bed on the premise that Sansa is the lady of Winterfell to all of a sudden accepting the mantle of King in the North. That felt a bit out of character to play up the Littlefinger - Sansa - Jon triangle.

4. Why is there such a sharp divide between show people and book people on Danaerys? Show people seem to view her as a co-hero in parallel with Jon and that the two of them unite to fight the White Walkers. Most book people I know absolutely hate her and thing she'll descend into madness and become an evil force that Jon will have to deal with in addition to the White Walkers.

5. I think the show made a smart decision to omit Robb Stark's will legitimizing Jon Snow as a Stark. Jon's true parentage legitimizes him anyways, so including the will would be redundant and unnecessarily complicated. Separately, do we know for sure whether Rhaegar and Lyanna got married? Jon Targ would be much more significant than Jon Sand.
 

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See above, y'all are right. I wasn't really complaining about this, more playing to-type and giving the people what they want with my nitpicks.

If I actually wanted to nitpick this episode it would be 1) Varys' teleportation and 2) the fact that Arya can go full parkour after multiple stab woulds but Lancel takes one knife to the abdomen and he's down like a bitch.

Was Cersei's plan for it to go down the way it did with Lancel? If so, that was a stupid plan because so many things could have gone wrong and Lancel would have been able to extinguish the candles. I guess I'm not sure if he was "supposed" to be down there.
 

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Was Cersei's plan for it to go down the way it did with Lancel? If so, that was a stupid plan because so many things could have gone wrong and Lancel would have been able to extinguish the candles. I guess I'm not sure if he was "supposed" to be down there.
I don't recall... why was the one kid at the Sept? He definitely seemed to lure Lancel.

One more nit to pick: Where the hell was Jon's white wolf when he was being proclaimed The White Wolf?
 

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This doesn't actually bother me the way it does everyone else. We are prosecuting one case where the victim was stabbed 10 times, his intestines were protruding, and he managed to run away to safety. Then, we have another case where the victim was stabbed once, collapsed, and died. So yeah, apparently with stabbing, who knows what's going to happen.

Totally agree. It surprised me that so many people had such a strong reaction to Arya surviving her wounds. I've worked on or read numerous cases in which stabbing and shooting victims have survived grievous wounds under extraordinary circumstances.

Plus, that's the sort of thing every action/adventure show/movie does ... the hero survives a wound against all odds, whereas the villain and his henchmen are easily dispatched. If that really bothers you, I don't see why the whole genre doesn't bother you.

Other comments (mostly positive) that I don't think have been discussed yet:

1. I'm optimistic that they're going to start to get Jamie right. It's happening later than I would have liked, but the look he gave Cersei seemed to indicated that he's finally done with her. I think it's unfortunate that he's stayed loyal to her for so long with seemingly no repercussions from Tyrion's parting shots.

Yes, me too. I loved that look they shared with her on the Iron Throne. Pregnant with possibilities, that storyline.

2. Does anyone else think there's a chance Cersei was okay with the fact that Tommen was dead? We knew she was all about her children but we also knew that she was a believer in the prophecy that said they'd all die. I think she was resigned to that fact and basically said "fuck it, might as well be queen."

One blogger put it like this:

Cornered, Cersei had resorted to her credo about the “Game of Thrones” — you win or you die — and accepted her own dire fate, as prophesied by the witch years ago. Compared to her grief at the loss of Joffrey and Myrcella, she treated Tommen’s death as the price of doing business. Tired of trying to shape events as the person behind the person — be it a husband or son — she finally took the power she craved by force and dared anyone to stop her.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/a...ones-season-6-finale-recap-jon-snow.html?_r=0

That's pretty consistent with your take, which I think is a good one. She just had no grief left to give. Too dead inside to grieve any more; the power-lust took over.


3. King in the North was such an awesome scene, but does anyone else question Jon's character motivations? He flips pretty quickly from not wanting to sleep in Ned's bed on the premise that Sansa is the lady of Winterfell to all of a sudden accepting the mantle of King in the North. That felt a bit out of character to play up the Littlefinger - Sansa - Jon triangle.

Right. It'll be interesting to see where the showrunners take that triangle next season. That look between Sansa and Littlefinger at the end of the scene ... great acting from Sophie Turner. Was she afraid of Littlefinger's next plot? Or did she realize after looking at Littlefinger that she was as displeased as he that the North hadn't rallied around her?

4. Why is there such a sharp divide between show people and book people on Danaerys? Show people seem to view her as a co-hero in parallel with Jon and that the two of them unite to fight the White Walkers. Most book people I know absolutely hate her and thing she'll descend into madness and become an evil force that Jon will have to deal with in addition to the White Walkers.

I've never quite understood the ferocity of the Dany hate that some fans seem to feel. She is a very flawed person, but so are most characters in the books. Jmo, but to me she is not much worse than a lot of other characters who don't seem to generate such strong hatred. But leaving that aside for a moment, it might be that book readers feel a more palpable potential for madness in her because they are more sensitive to her Targ family history and because they are privy to a lot of the details of prophecies, etc., which showwatchers aren't.

5. I think the show made a smart decision to omit Robb Stark's will legitimizing Jon Snow as a Stark. Jon's true parentage legitimizes him anyways, so including the will would be redundant and unnecessarily complicated. Separately, do we know for sure whether Rhaegar and Lyanna got married? Jon Targ would be much more significant than Jon Sand.

I don't think we know, and I'm curious about that too.
 

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Sansa's look to Littlefinger, to me, was the ultimate "Do something, bitch" moment. I feel like she used him for his army, and then quickly denied him when he came to her about his plan. I think Sansa will get her revenge on him for marrying her to Ramsey. Also, I feel like she's perfectly content with Jon as the King in the North. Just my thoughts.
 

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Sansa's look to Littlefinger, to me, was the ultimate "Do something, bitch" moment. I feel like she used him for his army, and then quickly denied him when he came to her about his plan. I think Sansa will get her revenge on him for marrying her to Ramsey. Also, I feel like she's perfectly content with Jon as the King in the North. Just my thoughts.
Oh I think exactly the opposite. They had several looks back-and-forth and I think it started like you described. But then it subtly shifted to "this rat bastard was right... I really don't like playing second fiddle to my father's bastard."
 

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Sansa's look to Littlefinger, to me, was the ultimate "Do something, bitch" moment. I feel like she used him for his army, and then quickly denied him when he came to her about his plan. I think Sansa will get her revenge on him for marrying her to Ramsey. Also, I feel like she's perfectly content with Jon as the King in the North. Just my thoughts.

I agree. I don't get the vibe that Sansa would betray Jon. LF is gonna be a problem though.

There's a lot of ways they could go with it. LF could always work his way into the role of Hand of the King, but he'll probably fuck it up and get himself killed.
 

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Oh I think exactly the opposite. They had several looks back-and-forth and I think it started like you described. But then it subtly shifted to "this rat bastard was right... I really don't like playing second fiddle to my father's bastard."

I feel like that's why they put the conversation scene between Jon and Sansa in though. To show that they are united. That they "have to trust eachother". The Starks have all been honorable people, I don't see Sansa being the first dishonorable Stark.
 

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Sansa's look to Littlefinger, to me, was the ultimate "Do something, bitch" moment. I feel like she used him for his army, and then quickly denied him when he came to her about his plan. I think Sansa will get her revenge on him for marrying her to Ramsey. Also, I feel like she's perfectly content with Jon as the King in the North. Just my thoughts.

Oh I think exactly the opposite. They had several looks back-and-forth and I think it started like you described. But then it subtly shifted to "this rat bastard was right... I really don't like playing second fiddle to my father's bastard."

Well that's just it, I think it was intentionally ambiguous. It will be interesting to see where the showrunners take it.
 
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