Game of Thrones

[gkIrish]

For 1 scene of one episode?

The entire budget for this year's Best Motion Picture (Spotlight) was $20M. For the entire movie.... Breaking Bad averaged $3M per episode.

Again... $10M for one scene. That's more than three times what an entire episode of the last big time series spent for entire shows.

I guess some of you really are impossible to please.

Most people are complaining about the writing, not the battle scene. $$ have nothing to do with bad writing.

 

[wizards8507]

I guess what I'm saying is that I could go grab a notebook and pull up any movie or tv show and pull some "nitpicks" about the writing, directing or acting. Literally anything. Even my favorites like Shawshank Redemption or Legends of The Fall. I could find things I think should be different or are poor representations of the book. But I choose to choose to enjoy the now. Enjoy the experience. To not get caught up with any and all negativity I can scrounge up.

That's the weekly nitpicking that many have expressed to dislike. The apparent need of some (I don't want you to think that this is targeted to you personally) on here to ruin everyone else's experience. To constantly bring an aura of negativity to the discussion for nothing more than to feed some need to find anything and everything that can be pulled out of the experience that is negative.

It's just not worth it.

You assume that everyone is in this camp that "this show is freaking awesome except for these few minor details." In that case, focusing on the negatives would indeed be nitpicking. However, I am not some huge fan who just focusses on the little things for the sake of complaining. I think the show is legitimately terrible. Shitty dialogue, stiff acting, and nonsensical plot points are the rule, not the exception. Thus, talking about the bad things is not "nitpicking," it's discussing what I (we?) believe to be the general shittiness of the show overall. For people like me, focusing on any small positive points is the nitpicking.

And spare me the garbage about "nobody cares that you read the booooooks!" If I had been on this board in 1999, you better believe I would have talked about how terrible The Phantom Menace is and I would have done so in the context of how amazing A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back were. Also, the only reason any of the show-only people understand half of these plot points is because their book friends have outlined R + L = J on the internet for years. Ask any show-only person who Elia of Dorne is, why she's important, and who killed her, and I guarantee you'll be met with blank stares.

 

[GoIrish41]

You assume that everyone is in this camp that "this show is freaking awesome except for these few minor details." In that case, focusing on the negatives would indeed be nitpicking. However, I am not some huge fan who just focusses on the little things for the sake of complaining. I think the show is legitimately terrible. Shitty dialogue, stiff acting, and nonsensical plot points are the rule, not the exception. Thus, talking about the bad things is not "nitpicking," it's discussing what I (we?) believe to be the general shittiness of the show overall. For people like me, focusing on any small positive points is the nitpicking.

And spare me the garbage about "nobody cares that you read the booooooks!" If I had been on this board in 1999, you better believe I would have talked about how terrible The Phantom Menace is and I would have done so in the context of how amazing A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back were. Also, the only reason any of the show-only people understand half of these plot points is because their book friends have outlined R + L = J on the internet for years. Ask any show-only person who Elia of Dorne is, why she's important, and who killed her, and I guarantee you'll be met with blank stares.

There are a lot of TV shows I think are legitimately terrible. I don't watch them. Why do you watch if it is so bad?

 

[wizards8507]

There are a lot of TV shows I think are legitimately terrible. I don't watch them. Why do you watch if it is so bad?

The same reason I watched every game of the 2007 Notre Dame football season.

 

[GoIrish41]

The same reason I watched every game of the 2007 Notre Dame football season.

So you could bitch about it?

 

[dublinirish]

So you could bitch about it?

hate-watching is a legitimate thing many people do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate-watching

 

[beryirish]

Most people are complaining about the writing, not the battle scene. $$ have nothing to do with bad writing.

I agree this type of show and popularity has no excuse for bad writing - you should have the best on this.

But maybe it's not the writing. I think you or someone else brought up the point about the hounds not eating for 7 days and Sansa already trotted away before she heard that and threw it back in Ramsay's face at the end.

Perhaps it's the editing that's at fault. The director and writers may have had Sansa standing there as Ramsay said that but when it got to the editing room they probably thought it was more "badass" for her to say you're going to die tomorrow and drop the mic and walk away.

Just in this scenario it may not be the writing to blame.

Again, when I say you should have the best on this show - that should include everyone outside of the writing room. But that didn't take away anything from how incredible the episode was.

 

[IrishLion]

The same reason I watched every game of the 2007 Notre Dame football season.

Because the pain hurts so good?

 

[wizards8507]

hate-watching is a legitimate thing many people do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate-watching

I don't know that I'd consider it hate-watching. I desperately want the show to be good. My favorite episode of the series was Hardhome, perhaps one of the biggest departures from the books, so it's not an issue of narrative purity. It's just for every Hardhome we get "bad pussy" or cartoon dragons burning cartoon ships on a cartoon backdrop or dubious character motivation or characters knowing information they can't possibly know or characters teleporting around Westeros or characters acting contrary to their very nature.

 

[woolybug25]

For 1 scene of one episode?

The entire budget for this year's Best Motion Picture (Spotlight) was $20M. For the entire movie.... Breaking Bad averaged $3M per episode.

Again... $10M for one scene. That's more than three times what an entire episode of the last big time series spent for entire shows.

I guess some of you really are impossible to please.

Most people are complaining about the writing, not the battle scene. $$ have nothing to do with bad writing.

That was in response to Duce's comment, specifically regarding the cost/time being appropriate.

You assume that everyone is in this camp that "this show is freaking awesome except for these few minor details." In that case, focusing on the negatives would indeed be nitpicking. However, I am not some huge fan who just focusses on the little things for the sake of complaining. I think the show is legitimately terrible. Shitty dialogue, stiff acting, and nonsensical plot points are the rule, not the exception. Thus, talking about the bad things is not "nitpicking," it's discussing what I (we?) believe to be the general shittiness of the show overall. For people like me, focusing on any small positive points is the nitpicking.

And spare me the garbage about "nobody cares that you read the booooooks!" If I had been on this board in 1999, you better believe I would have talked about how terrible The Phantom Menace is and I would have done so in the context of how amazing A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back were. Also, the only reason any of the show-only people understand half of these plot points is because their book friends have outlined R + L = J on the internet for years. Ask any show-only person who Elia of Dorne is, why she's important, and who killed her, and I guarantee you'll be met with blank stares.

Where did I make the assumption that the nitpicking was just "a couple minor details"? I said no such thing, quite the opposite actually. My comments are regarding people like you that will find anything and everything to bitch about. (That's quite a bit more than "minor details" for the layman) My point is that you guys are pessimist by nature. You like nothing, as evidenced by all of your posts. Has there ever been anything (love or hate) that you don't rip apart for any goddamn detail to bitch about?

Like I said, I could take any film or show and find plenty of details I don't like or think should be different. But when I discuss the film with others, I don't choose to talk about anything bad I can find. That's where we are different.

I just don't get why people like you feel the unrelenting need to drag everyone else into your own negativity all of the time? You can't find anything else positive to discuss? I dearly hope you aren't like that in real life. Otherwise, you must embarrass your friends and family a lot by being the annoying prick at the dinner party.

 

[wizards8507]

Has there ever been anything (love or hate) that you don't rip apart for any goddamn detail to bitch about?

Like I said, I could take any film or show and find plenty of details I don't like or think should be different. But when I discuss the film with others, I don't choose to talk about anything bad I can find. That's where we are different.

I just don't get why people like you feel the unrelenting need to drag everyone else into your own negativity all of the time? You can't find anything else positive to discuss? I dearly hope you aren't like that in real life. Otherwise, you must embarrass your friends and family a lot by being the annoying prick at the dinner party.

I really don't understand what you're getting at. If I think the show is bad, I'm supposed to focus on the good parts because... reasons? There are loads of things I don't complain about, specifically things that I think are good.

Pop over to the Star Wars thread and you'll see that I thoroughly enjoyed The Force Awakens. Check into the video game thread and you'll see that I've been raving about Overwatch for the last week. This happens to be the Game of Thrones thread, so I share my opinion about Game of Thrones and that opinion happens to be generally poor.

 

[Emcee77]

My point is that you guys are pessimist by nature. You like nothing, as evidenced by all of your posts. Has there ever been anything (love or hate) that you don't rip apart for any goddamn detail to bitch about?

Like I said, I could take any film or show and find plenty of details I don't like or think should be different. But when I discuss the film with others, I don't choose to talk about anything bad I can find. That's where we are different.

I just don't get why people like you feel the unrelenting need to drag everyone else into your own negativity all of the time? You can't find anything else positive to discuss? I dearly hope you aren't like that in real life. Otherwise, you must embarrass your friends and family a lot by being the annoying prick at the dinner party.

Right, I would not have used such strong language, or probably said anything at all, as I have tried lately to just live and live on IE, but I agree with the sentiment. I just don't understand why some people (not necessarily just wiz) choose to focus on all the things they don't like about the entertainment they consume. I mean, when it comes to art and entertainment, I don't need more frustration in my life. If, on balance, I like a show, I watch it, and since it is a net positive in my life, I focus on the positive things rather than the negative things. If on balance, the things I don't like outweigh the things I don't like, then I just don't watch the show. In either case, there is no reason to dwell on the things I don't like about the show, and in fact dwelling on the negative things takes all the fun out of it.

To each his own and all that, but talking about all the ways in which the things you do for fun annoy you just makes no sense to me.

 

[wizards8507]

I just don't understand why some people (not necessarily just wiz) choose to focus on all the things they don't like about the entertainment they consume.

As I said to Wooly, I don't choose to focus on the things I don't like about the entertainment I consume in any general sense. I focus on the things I don't like in Game of Thrones specifically because I dislike almost all of it... because it sucks.

 

[Emcee77]

As I said to Wooly, I don't choose to focus on the things I don't like about the entertainment I consume in any general sense. I focus on the things I don't like in Game of Thrones specifically because I dislike almost all of it... because it sucks.

So why do you watch it?

btw, you have a talent for responding to just part of a post that makes message board discussions cumbersome and increases the likelihood of posters talking past each other.

 

[woolybug25]

I really don't understand what you're getting at. If I think the show is bad, I'm supposed to focus on the good parts because... reasons? There are loads of things I don't complain about, specifically things that I think are good.

Pop over to the Star Wars thread and you'll see that I thoroughly enjoyed The Force Awakens. Check into the video game thread and you'll see that I've been raving about Overwatch for the last week. This happens to be the Game of Thrones thread, so I share my opinion about Game of Thrones and that opinion happens to be generally poor.

That's just lying, man. Where do you talk about scenes you like or where you would like characters to go? You come into the thread every single week to tell us how much you hate the show, a show I may add, that you continue to tune into every week despite your angst.

I never gave "reasons" as a point of contention for your posts. I've been pretty clear. I didn't even say that you have to focus only on the positive. What I've been saying is that you are a clear pessimest. One that isn't happy with open discussion about any topic. You immediately drift to whatever negative aspects you can find with any topic. Take your Star Wars thread example. Even there, with something that is obviously one of your favorite things in the world, you quickly turned to what "nitpicks" you had. I think you're actually incapable of looking at anything without having a desire to tear it apart so you can tell everyone what you think is wrong. It's a bad personality trait, my man.

 

[woolybug25]

As I said to Wooly, I don't choose to focus on the things I don't like about the entertainment I consume in any general sense. I focus on the things I don't like in Game of Thrones specifically because I dislike almost all of it... because it sucks.

Haha... You sure love misery then, cuz you watch it every single week. What a humongous waste of time.

I watched a few episodes of Preacher recently and didn't like it. Even expressed that in the thread, but I've moved on. I'm not going to spend an hour each week watching it so I can go on IE and tell everyone what I hate about it. That's kinda pathetic.

 

[Emcee77]

That's just lying, man. Where do you talk about scenes you like or where you would like characters to go? You come into the thread every single week to tell us how much you hate the show, a show I may add, that you continue to tune into every week despite your angst.

I never gave "reasons" as a point of contention for your posts. I've been pretty clear. I didn't even say that you have to focus only on the positive. What I've been saying is that you are a clear pessimest. One that isn't happy with open discussion about any topic. You immediately drift to whatever negative aspects you can find with any topic. Take your Star Wars thread example. Even there, with something that is obviously one of your favorite things in the world, you quickly turned to what "nitpicks" you had. I think you're actually incapable of looking at anything without having a desire to tear it apart so you can tell everyone what you think is wrong. It's a bad personality trait, my man.

Right, again, I tend to agree. Gk, for example, often has critical things to say about the show, but I wouldn't say his comments are as overwhelmingly negative. Like, I get the sense that he enjoys the show. I don't get that sense from wiz. wiz, I really don't get why you watch it? You liked Hardhome, you said, but other positive comments have been rare, and it really seems like you are more frustrated by the show than entertained, so it would seem to me that you should stop watching because it is a net source of frustration. Certainly, I would stop watching a show that frustrated me, rather than watch six seasons of it.

 

[IrishLion]

My theory is that Wiz loves the show, deep down inside, and he knows it's good.

But he won't say that, because he hates how disappointed he is in the show based on the source material (that isn't even out yet haha).

 

[ACamp1900]

My theory is Wiz is actually Wooly...

 

[gkIrish]

I want to hear Wiz describe his wife.

 

[woolybug25]

Right, again, I tend to agree. Gk, for example, often has critical things to say about the show, but I wouldn't say his comments are as overwhelmingly negative. Like, I get the sense that he enjoys the show. I don't get that sense from wiz. wiz, I really don't get why you watch it? You liked Hardhome, you said, but other positive comments have been rare, and it really seems like you are more frustrated by the show than entertained, so it would seem to me that you should stop watching because it is a net source of frustration. Certainly, I would stop watching a show that frustrated me, rather than watch six seasons of it.

You hit the nail on the head here, my man. GK is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He's a critical thinker, which is much different than a pessimist. He talks about what he doesn't like, but also wants to break down episodes. Discuss plot lines and character development. He isn't looking for negativity, but rather it comes sometimes out of breaking down an episode. Nothing wrong with that and the attitude is not negative. It's simply a analytical point of view.

That's much different than being a pathological cynic.

 

[IrishLion]

I want to hear Wiz describe his wife.

 

[wizards8507]

I want to hear Wiz describe his wife.

She loves Game of Thrones and won't read the books, so that tells you a lot.

That's much different than being a pathological cynic.

You're cherry-picking my opinions on this one topic and trying to flip them into some kind of personality trait that I have on every topic. I'm a pathological cynic about Game of Thrones, a blind fanboy when it comes to Star Wars, overly positive when it comes to ESPN, too rosy when it comes to politics, etc. Those things are mutually exclusive. I'm neither a negative person nor a cynic, I just think Game of Thrones has descended into unintentional self-parody. As to why I still watch it... my wife loves it, I don't have much better to do at 9:00 on a Sunday night, and I stay for Silicon Valley, the funniest show on TV.

 

[woolybug25]

You're cherry-picking my opinions on this one topic and trying to flip them into some kind of personality trait that I have on every topic. I'm a pathological cynic about Game of Thrones, a blind fanboy when it comes to Star Wars, overly positive when it comes to ESPN, too rosy when it comes to politics, etc. Those things are mutually exclusive. I'm neither a negative person nor a cynic, I just think Game of Thrones has descended into unintentional self-parody. As to why I still watch it... my wife loves it, I don't have much better to do at 9:00 on a Sunday night, and I stay for Silicon Valley, the funniest show on TV.

Pathological cynics are also naturally protective of things they identify as personally descriptive or pertaining to them personally. Sound familiar?

 

[wizards8507]

Pathological cynics are also naturally protective of things they identify as personally descriptive or pertaining to them personally. Sound familiar?

Except none of those things are actually accurate descriptions of me. I criticize ESPN all the time. I'm just not a blind hater like many of you, nor a blind lover of GoT. I make you uncomfortable because I call out your hypocrisy.

 

[woolybug25]

Except none of those things are actually accurate descriptions of me. I criticize ESPN all the time. I'm just not a blind hater like many of you, nor a blind lover of GoT. I make you uncomfortable because I call out your hypocrisy.

Do you really think that's how anyone on here views you regarding either of those?

Ha... We really hit the nail on the head with you. A pathological cynic.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

For 1 scene of one episode?

The entire budget for this year's Best Motion Picture (Spotlight) was $20M. For the entire movie.... Breaking Bad averaged $3M per episode.

Again... $10M for one scene. That's more than three times what an entire episode of the last big time series spent for entire shows.

I guess some of you really are impossible to please.

Wait, I never said it wasn't enough. Those were actual questions since I have no idea how much it costs. You often hear blockbuster movies spending in the hundred million realm to be produced. I assumed the final episodes of the season, that are each 55 mins long would cost a good chunk of change. So I was asking how it relates to other movies/shows, and more importantly, other movies that employ a great deal of CGI.

But cost does not a good show make. I don't think anyone has said, "geez, I really wish game of thrones had a bigger budget so it could fit in more kickass CGI". I think CGI is one thing they've mostly done very well.

Most complaints have been about the poor writing or the lost allusion of reality in the GoT world. I've still very much enjoyed the show but, after the Red Wedding, I didn't fall asleep for 2-3 hrs, laying in bed with my mind racing.

Since then, there have only been a few episodes that really unnerved/excited me. It's still the most enjoyable thing I watch on TV (I haven't been watching anything else lately).

 

[Emcee77]

She loves Game of Thrones and won't read the books, so that tells you a lot.

You're cherry-picking my opinions on this one topic and trying to flip them into some kind of personality trait that I have on every topic. I'm a pathological cynic about Game of Thrones, a blind fanboy when it comes to Star Wars, overly positive when it comes to ESPN, too rosy when it comes to politics, etc. Those things are mutually exclusive. I'm neither a negative person nor a cynic, I just think Game of Thrones has descended into unintentional self-parody. As to why I still watch it... my wife loves it, I don't have much better to do at 9:00 on a Sunday night, and I stay for Silicon Valley, the funniest show on TV.

I can't buy that. This explanation is totally out of proportion to your consistent, bombastic criticism of the show.

"My wife watches it" and "I don't have much better to do" are fair enough if you are ambivalent about the show, but it is illogical to watch a show you hate because you have nothing better to do and it just happens to be on. If you truly think the show sucks and it makes you angry enough to vent online about it, then a more rational way to kill an hour before Silicon Valley comes on would be to do nothing in the next room, or to just scroll through Twitter on your phone while your wife watches it, or almost anything else that doesn't actually upset you.

I have hate-watched a show before, but not for six seasons. I hated the Newsroom, but I kept watching because there was a lot of intelligent stuff in it and I hoped that it would evolve to the point where I wouldn't hate it. But I just can't stand dramatic Sorkin-esque speeches on current events for a full hour. So after a season and a half, I stopped watching. And I think that's typical. Anybody who hates a show as much you say you hate GoT would stop watching it.

I think you are just trolling the GoT fans in this thread. Smdh.

 

[ACamp1900]

The great piling on of 2016 has begun...

 

[koonja]

who cares