Freeh Report

[Whiskeyjack]

I think the NCAA outcome is still in doubt...but I suspect with the beating drums from the press corps the NCAA will be forced to expedite their process and deliver some conclusion...the sooner that hapens the more likely the death penalty in my opinion.

No kidding. I've read roughly 20 different articles on this subject today from the most prominent CFB commentators, and with the sole exception of SI's Andy Staples, every single one of them is calling for the death penalty without reservation.

 

[woolybug25]

No kidding. I've read roughly 20 different articles on this subject today from the most prominent CFB commentators, and with the sole exception of SI's Andy Staples, every single one of them is calling for the death penalty without reservation.

Have you dudes watched any of the commentary from Matt Millen? That idiot is still trying to defend Paterno. The guy is showing that he does not belong in the profession of journalism, because he has proven that he cannot separate his bias for facts. His thoughts on the Freeh report have been sickening.

But the bigger question is... what job is Matt Millen ever done well? He should get out of all things relative to sports.


*Funny edit - I googled "Matt Millen" and the entire first page is nothing but articles blasting him for his reporting of the entire PSU situation. The only article that isn' t is his wiki page (which 90% of that is talking about his controversies). lol
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ix=heb&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&safe=active&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=matt%20millen&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=158101d518659935&ix=heb&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=633

 

[Emcee77]

I haven't been able to read as much of the coverage on this as many of you, but I don't yet see this as a death penalty case. This isn't a situation where it's simply impossible to keep wrongdoing from happening again; you just have to find the right 4 people to be the football coach, AD, VP of finance (or whatever schulz was) and president of the university. Would it be that hard to do that? I think some people will say yes, it would, because the culture surrounding the program is such that everyone is afraid to harm the football program. But I'd think you could find four "untouchables."

Compare this case to the case of SMU, where there was a complete lack of control in the sense that no matter what the administration did, rules would continue to be broken. Boosters and fans would continue to give players improper benefits, and there was simply no way to fix that system because it was so culturally ingrained. So, death penalty.

Is this the same problem? A few administrators made a decision to spare a coach the embarrassment of being held responsible for his horrifying exploitation of children (the absurdity of that sentence is intentional). Revolting, yes, but if you replace the administrators you fix the problem, no? The death penalty seems to fit the crime in terms of seriousness but not in terms of logic.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

Good article about one Sandusky victim and mothers hatred toward Paterno. Penn State Nittany Lions -- Victim's mother 'filled with hatred' for Joe Paterno - ESPN

 

[woolybug25]

I haven't been able to read as much of the coverage on this as many of you, but I don't yet see this as a death penalty case. This isn't a situation where it's simply impossible to keep wrongdoing from happening; you just have to find the right 4 people to be the football coach, AD, VP of finance (or whatever schulz was) and president of the university. Would it be that hard to do that? I think some people will say yes, it would, because the culture surrounding the program was such that everyone was afraid to harm the football program. But I'd think you could find four "untouchables."

Compare this case to the case of SMU, where there was a complete lack of control in the sense that no matter what the administration did, rules would continue to be broken. Boosters and fans would continue to give players improper benefits, and there was simply no way to fix that system because it was so culturally ingrained. So, death penalty.

Is this the same problem? A few administrators made a decision to spare a coach the embarrassment of being held responsible for his horrifying exploitation of children (the absurdity of that sentence is intentional). Revolting, yes, but if you replace the administrators you fix the problem, no? The death penalty seems to fit the crime in terms of seriousness but not in terms of logic.

This is the misconception that people that haven't read the report have. It wasn't just "4 untouchables" that bear the weight of this situation. People all the way down to the janitors knew this was going on. The fact of the matter is that the football program became the tail that wagged the proverbial dog in the university. Penn State as a whole had zero control on their football program to the extent that they weren't even capable enough to stop (not just report) the continued and repeated acts of child molestation from happening under their watch and on their campus. Firing four people will not change this mindset where the football team IS the university.

If schools can get punished for selling shirts for tattoos, taking $50 handshakes and receiving money from Governors... then it is completely insane to believe that enabling a child molester to rape children on campus should go without penalty.

Got mad love for you, emcee. But you should go read the Freeh report in it's entirety before posting something like this again.

 

[Emcee77]

Got mad love for you, emcee. But you should go read the Freeh report in it's entirety before posting something like this again.

lol fair enough. I even hesitated before I pressed the "Submit" button on that, wondering if I was going off half-cocked (an expression that should get more use). I'll check out the report before I make any further comment.

 

[ND NYC]

i have a feeling penn st may torpedo the football program themselves...before the ncaa can even get the chance....just my hunch.

 

[woolybug25]

i have a feeling penn st may torpedo the football program themselves...before the ncaa can even get the chance....just my hunch.

There was a lot of talk about this on the radio today and someone brought up a good point. Even if (and that's a BIG if) PSU tried to do this, how would they proceed without the Big10's approval? They have a significant tv contract with their conference, in addition to the fact that it would leave the conference one team short of being able to have a conference championship. The Big10 teams each have 8 conference games, and they would now have to shuffle to find a way to replace those games.

It's interesting to think about. The Big10 may or may not try to fight a voluntary death penalty, but in reality, if PSU doesn't do it to themselves, they may have forced upon them anyway. But in that scenario, at least the Big10 could petition the NCAA to help them repair the damage it would do to their conference.

Either way, the next few months are going to be very interesting on this front.

 

[phgreek]

Have you dudes watched any of the commentary from Matt Millen? That idiot is still trying to defend Paterno. The guy is showing that he does not belong in the profession of journalism, because he has proven that he cannot separate his bias for facts. His thoughts on the Freeh report have been sickening.

But the bigger question is... what job is Matt Millen ever done well? He should get out of all things relative to sports.


*Funny edit - I googled "Matt Millen" and the entire first page is nothing but articles blasting him for his reporting of the entire PSU situation. The only article that isn' t is his wiki page (which 90% of that is talking about his controversies). lol
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ix=heb&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&safe=active&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=matt%20millen&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=158101d518659935&ix=heb&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=633

I saw some of it...the odd thing is he seemed balanced in one interview I saw...but I think it was the day before...he talked about the experience of being interviewed and what not. Said the Freeh gang did a good job. Then I saw bits and pieces...the guy just was not the right guy for the piece, and yea, he's got issues with operating on any objective level...those qualities are, IMHO, what made him an historically bad GM, and also limit him as a journalist.

All I know is the guy was a good linbacker at PSU. As far as his post PSU career...meh to ugh!

 

[ND NYC]

There was a lot of talk about this on the radio today and someone brought up a good point. Even if (and that's a BIG if) PSU tried to do this, how would they proceed without the Big10's approval? They have a significant tv contract with their conference, in addition to the fact that it would leave the conference one team short of being able to have a conference championship. The Big10 teams each have 8 conference games, and they would now have to shuffle to find a way to replace those games.

It's interesting to think about. The Big10 may or may not try to fight a voluntary death penalty, but in reality, if PSU doesn't do it to themselves, they may have forced upon them anyway. But in that scenario, at least the Big10 could petition the NCAA to help them repair the damage it would do to their conference.

Either way, the next few months are going to be very interesting on this front.

i think delany and the big10 would be relieved (ecstatic) to be rid of them. he could get a host of teams to take their place right quick: rutgers, uconn to name a few, who would trip over themselves on their way to get to the table to sign up

 

[ND NYC]

I saw some of it...the odd thing is he seemed balanced in one interview I saw...but I think it was the day before...he talked about the experience of being interviewed and what not. Said the Freeh gang did a good job. Then I saw bits and pieces...the guy just was not the right guy for the piece, and yea, he's got issues with operating on any objective level...those qualities are, IMHO, what made him an historically bad GM, and also limit him as a journalist.

All I know is the guy was a good linbacker at PSU. As far as his post PSU career...meh to ugh!

i believe he played on the D Line...and once he got to the pros he became an LB.

i could be worng though...

 

[phgreek]

i believe he played on the D Line...and once he got to the pros he became an LB.

i could be worng though...

no...I think you may be right...I was trying to throw the guy a bone, and I screwed him...damn

 

[phgreek]

i think delany and the big10 would be relieved (ecstatic) to be rid of them. he could get a host of teams to take their place right quick: rutgers, uconn to name a few, who would trip over themselves on their way to get to the table to sign up

...love to see the Pitt program get that shot...they've been handed a **** sandwich over the last couple years...would like to see them with some good Karma

 

[ND NYC]

no...I think you may be right...I was trying to throw the guy a bone, and I screwed him...damn

my cousin played against millen in back HS...was an RB...said Millen was the toughest SOB on the field he ever faced back in the day. said he hit like a mack truck. oh well, we digress here.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

no...I think you may be right...I was trying to throw the guy a bone, and I screwed him...damn

do tell?

 

[phgreek]

my cousin played against millen in back HS...was an RB...said Millen was the toughest SOB on the field he ever faced back in the day. said he hit like a mack truck. oh well, we digress here.

thats cool...love that stuff. Had a couple run-ins in HS with guys that went on to the NFL...breed apart even then. hitting, or being hit by them was always an interesting deal...first time I ever got my bell rung to where I lost an entire quarter of a game...poof, no memory of it...coaches are like, " don't you remeber that play...why'd you get beat again"...I'm like WTF are these guys talking about? ...crazy feeling watching a film of yourself you have no reccolection of...well that didn't include alot of drinking first. Anyway I digress..

 

[phgreek]

do tell?

nope...

I was just trying to say Millen did play football well at PSU...was an AA...but not where I had him....