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Is your contention that they are better off now? I have 4 or 5 co-workers that would strongly disagree with you. Much like the Saudis who are "bad" people propped up by the United States, there are an awful lot of people who were MUCH better off under the Shah.

It's convenient in the post-apology tour United States to pretend like all of the ills of the world are because of Western colonial assholes fucking up other countries for their gain. That's like 60% true. The other 40% is that 1) authoritarian, puppet governments are much more effective than democracy in stabilizing these countries 2) when a power vacuum is created, crazy shit happens.

The idea that "well, Iran isn't a threat now... and if we just stop meddling everything will be fine" flies in direct contrast to history which shows that when we pull out of an area the situation deteriorates rapidly.

I think his point was that Iran (much like Central and South America post WW2) was trending towards a much more liberalized and democratic structure. The U.S. saw that as a challenge to its hegemony, stepped in and set up dictatorships just about everywhere. It's pretty easy to argue that considering the direction Iran was heading prior to the installation of the Shah that without US meddling present day Iran would be closer to current day Turkey in terms of its political structure.
 
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I think his point was that Iran (much like Central and South America post WW2) was trending towards a much more liberalized and democratic structure. The U.S. saw that as a challenge to its hegemony, stepped in and set up dictatorships just about everywhere. It's pretty easy to argue that considering the direction Iran was heading prior to the installation of the Shah that without US meddling present day Iran would be closer to current day Turkey in terms of its political structure.

Let's face it, Jimmy Carter's misguided pressure to get the Shah to release his political prisoners was the downfall. Imagine any regime in the ME doing that now and the chaos that would result in. Carter war terribly naïve.
 

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You base this on what? Because they have preyed on whom? What weak neighbor or strategic interest have they pursued in a hostile or militaristic manner? As people have said Americans would feel more welcome and at home in Tehran than most places in that region. Rhetoric from a few "Trump types" aside, the average Iranian does not hate the U.S. or the west in general.

But if we keep financing and executing Israel's foreign policy agenda in that region, that could change in a hurry I am sure. So yeah, keep listening to neocons.

Yes, they love us. All of them. Even those who danced in the streets after 9.11.
 

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I think his point was that Iran (much like Central and South America post WW2) was trending towards a much more liberalized and democratic structure. The U.S. saw that as a challenge to its hegemony, stepped in and set up dictatorships just about everywhere. It's pretty easy to argue that considering the direction Iran was heading prior to the installation of the Shah that without US meddling present day Iran would be closer to current day Turkey in terms of its political structure.

That's a fair point, but Turkey was the heart of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey had a foundation with a lot of western, imperial influences.

Persia is pretty different than Turkey, but you're right. In the early 1900s they were already passing laws to protect religious minorities and... then everyone started fucking around with their country. Without a doubt, it's possible that were it not for outside interference they could've established something very similar to what you see in Turkey or even better.
 

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AmCon's Philip Jenkins just published an article titled "Fertility and the Fate of Nations":

When seeking to understand national security issues, demographics is commonly the missing dimension. The fertility of a particular population not only determines its overall numbers, but also contributes mightily to determining the balance of ethnic and linguistic groups, and a country’s chances of achieving any kind of lasting stability. Wise governments count their children. And without knowing something about demographic factors, we are going to be baffled by the behavior of some key players in the current Middle Eastern imbroglio.

A society’s population is shaped by both birth and death rates, but at present, I will focus on births, and especially on fertility. One key measure used by demographers is the total fertility rate, TFR, the total number of children that an average woman will bear during her lifetime. If that rate is around 2.1, then the population is stable, and that figure is known as the replacement rate. If it is significantly higher than replacement, say at 4.0 or 5.0, then we have a fast expanding population, a lot of young people, and probably a lot of instability. A rate below replacement points to an aging and shrinking population, and also a crying need for immigrants and new blood. From the 1960s, European countries moved to sub-replacement rates, and that situation is now spreading rapidly—though far from uniformly—around the world.

Those rates also tell us a lot about religious behavior, and there is a close if poorly understood linkage between fertility and faith. Populations with very high fertility rates tend to be highly religious in very traditional ways, while “modern” and educated populations have far fewer children, and those societies are usually very secular. Over time, high fertility gives way to low, and religion declines accordingly. The poster child for that story is resolutely secular Denmark, with a TFR around 1.7, but a similar process has swept over most of modern Catholic Europe.

We can argue at length about whether the religious change follows fertility, or vice versa. Perhaps a decline in religious ideologies weakens commitment to family as a primary means of defining identity; or else declining numbers of children reduce the community ties that bind families to religious institutions. Either way, growing numbers of people define their interests against those of traditional religious values, spawning numerous conflicts over issues of morality, sexuality, and sexual identity. Ireland’s TFR, for instance, has halved since 1971, and the decline is much steeper if we just consider old stock Irish families, rather than immigrants. The same years have witnessed repeated brushfire wars over such issues as contraception, divorce, and same sex marriage.

But changes in fertility do not affect all parts of a nation equally or simultaneously, especially when different regions show very different patterns of wealth and economic development. Over time, the higher birth rates of poorer and more religious populations will gain in relative numbers, and over two or three generations, that pattern of differential growth can have far-reaching consequences. In Europe, for instance, even without the migrant boom of the past couple of years, the proportion of Muslims in Europe was certain to grow significantly.

Many Westerners still think of Global South countries in terms of classic Third World population profiles, with very high fertility and teeming masses of small children. That perception is correct for some areas, particularly in Africa, but it is radically wrong for others. In fact, many Asian and Latin American countries now look thoroughly “European” in their demographics.

India offers a startling example of this change, and its explosive political consequences. Half of that country’s component states now have sub-replacement fertility rates comparable to Denmark, or even lower. Meanwhile, some very populous states (like vast Uttar Pradesh or Bihar) retain the old Third World model. That stark schism is the essential basis for any understanding of modern Indian politics. As we might have predicted, the high fertility states are firmly and traditionally religious, and provide the base for reactionary and even fascist Hindu supremacist movements. Those currents are quite alien to the “European” low fertility states, located chiefly in the south, which tend to be secular-minded, progressive, and tolerant. Balancing those different regions would pose a nightmarish choice for any government, but the current Hindu nationalist BJP regime aligns decisively with the high fertility regions that provide its electoral bastions. The lesson is grim, but obvious: when you have to choose between two such distinct demographic regions, it is overwhelmingly tempting to turn to the one with all the voters, and all the young party militants. Invest in growth!

With some variations, that situation is closely echoed in Turkey, and understanding that parallel helps us explain the otherwise puzzling behavior of the nation’s current Islamist AKP government. Why, for Heaven’s sake, is Turkey not more concerned about the ISIS threat? Why, when its air forces go into action, do they strike at Kurdish forces, rather than ISIS? Is the government deranged?

Here is the essential demographic background: Overall, Turkey’s fertility rate is a little below replacement, but that simple fact obscures enormous regional variations. The country can be divided into four zones, stretching from west to east. The Western quarter is thoroughly European in demographic terms, with stunningly low sub-Danish fertility rates of around 1.5. The rates rise steadily as we turn east, until the upland east has very high rates resembling those of neighboring Iraq or Syria. “Europe” and the Third World thus jostle each other within one nation.

High-fertility eastern Turkey is of course much more religious than the secular west, and this is where we find the Qur’an Belt that so regularly supports Islamic and even fundamentalist causes. It simply makes electoral sense for the government to respond to the interests of that populous growing area, and to drift ever more steadily in Islamist directions.

But there is a complicating fact. Those fast-breeding eastern regions are also home to what the Turkish government euphemistically calls the “Mountain Turks,” but which everyone else on the planet calls “Kurds.” Turkey’s Kurdish minority, usually estimated at around 15-20 percent of the population, is expanding very rapidly—to the point that, within a generation or two, it will actually be a majority within the Turkish state. This nightmare prospect is front and center in the mind of Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who a couple of years ago issued an apocalyptic warning of a national Kurdish majority no later than 2038. That date is a little implausibly soon, but the principle stands.

In the face of seemingly imminent demographic catastrophe, what can Turkey do? One solution is for the government to plead with citizens to start breeding again—even those western secularists—and to get the national fertility rate closer to 3 than 2. But since that outcome is highly unlikely, the government must resort to short term solutions, and to extol religious, Islamic identities over ethnicity. Ideally, a return to Islam might even provide an incentive for families to reassert traditional values, and to have more children. Alongside that policy, the government has an absolute need to suppress stirrings of Kurdish nationhood or separatism on Turkish soil.

From a demographic perspective, the Turkish government is going to find any manifestations of Kurdish identity terrifying, far more than even the hardest-edged Islamism. ISIS is an irritant; the Kurds pose an existential demographic threat.

And in large measure, that explains why Turkish jets are targeting the Kurdish PKK militias, rather than ISIS.

It’s the fertility, stupid.

There's a compelling argument in there about liberalism as national suicide.
 

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Great thread on foreign policy.

Middle East is on fire. Islamic caliphate is growing and has steady funding. Everyone threatens the US without worrying about any ramifications. Russia is striking the US allies fighting against Islamic State...and they give us a one hour heads up.

Anyone that thinks the global warming is the biggest threat to our country better wake up fast
 

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Great thread on foreign policy.

Middle East is on fire. Islamic caliphate is growing and has steady funding. Everyone threatens the US without worrying about any ramifications. Russia is striking the US allies fighting against Islamic State...and they give us a one hour heads up.

Anyone that thinks the global warming is the biggest threat to our country better wake up fast

Also, Russia has been trying to get involved in Afghan affairs and the Afghan gov essentially told them to fvck off. Russia tried saying how one of the ISIL associated groups was created by the US in order to keep a military presence in the ME. Afghan was not to pleased with that bullshit and left a summit 3 days earlier. Said to Russia to basically stay out or else.
 

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Also, Russia has been trying to get involved in Afghan affairs and the Afghan gov essentially told them to fvck off. Russia tried saying how one of the ISIL associated groups was created by the US in order to keep a military presence in the ME. Afghan was not to pleased with that bullshit and left a summit 3 days earlier. Said to Russia to basically stay out or else.

That worked out so well for them last time.
 

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That worked out so well for them last time.

What was supposed to be a productive meeting for a few days turned hostile rather quickly with Russia making wild claims as usual and Afghan backing us and basically saying fvck off and stay out. And then Afghan leaving Russia 3 days in advance...so....yeah.

Yay for talks! ha
 

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What was supposed to be a productive meeting for a few days turned hostile rather quickly with Russia making wild claims as usual and Afghan backing us and basically saying fvck off and stay out. And then Afghan leaving Russia 3 days in advance...so....yeah.

Yay for talks! ha

Well at least in Syria, Russia is supporting a secular (if brutal) government, while we arm an opposition that's literally fighting side by side with Al-Qaeda. It's quite something, really.
 
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Middle East is on fire. Islamic caliphate is growing and has steady funding.

Growing? Last we left this topic, ISIS was filling a power vacuum in the area between Damascus and Baghdad, and were having difficulty making further gains on 1) an Assad regime in the midst of its own civil war, 2) an Iraqi government with its own legitimacy problems, or even 3) a Kurdish region that isn't even a country and has to also fend off pressure from every surrounding country that doesn't want them to exist in any meaningful way.

Everyone threatens the US without worrying about any ramifications.

The people threatening the US want Americans on the ground so they can martyr themselves and grow their movement.

There is strength in not being a pussy who plays whack-a-mole on the international stage.

Russia is striking the US allies fighting against Islamic State...and they give us a one hour heads up.

Russia's moves are very interesting. But they haven't done anything that harms the US directly in their Syrian move. Hell Turkey, our own ally, has done more to prop up ISIS and harm our goals than Russia here. And that really should be a sign for you, if ISIS was this big bad Islamic caliphate about to wreck shit...where is Israel whopping ass? Why is Turkey nonchalantly helping them against the Kurds? Why hasn't Saudi Arabia budged at all?

Anyone that thinks the global warming is the biggest threat to our country better wake up fast

Nah I'll take the overwhelming majority of scientists saying that our entire way of life is going to change dramatically...over terrorists.

After global warming I'll take the reality that a half-dozen banks in Manhattan could make enough bad decisions with their money, go bankrupt, and topple our entire economy in an evening in doing so. That'd be my #2, personally.
 

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Buddy sent this to me.. would have put France in the WTF Meh category.
 

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The Week's Michael Brendan Dougherty just published an article titled "How Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen became America's shame":

The U.S. is heavily engaged in a needless Middle Eastern war.

I know, I know: It sounds awfully familiar. But this is a needless Middle Eastern war you may not know about.

The U.S. is providing logistical, targeting, and intelligence assistance to Saudi Arabia in that nation's war against its neighbor, Yemen. The United States has conducted drone strikes as part of the operation as well. Yemen is being destroyed in the process, adding another refugee crisis to the Middle East, this one affecting Djibouti, Oman, and Somalia.

Some background: Yemen has been divided into north and south. In the north are Houthis, who are Zaydi in their faith, a type of Shia Islam. Southern Yemen is largely Sunni — a group that has historically dominated the nation. The Houthis rose up against the national government, kicking out Ali Abdullah Saleh in 2012. The transitional government that replaced him, however, didn't include Houthis. So the Houthis essentially overthrew that transitional government and seized the capital.

This spring, the Houthis began pushing further south. Saudi Arabia, the preeminent Sunni power in the region, gathered a league of Arab nations to intervene and crush the Houthis. Saudi Arabia has been assisted by Egypt and other states in the Persian Gulf. But the real brains of the operation are on loan from Uncle Sam.

The war in Yemen, one of the poorest countries in the region, has become a humanitarian disaster. Yemen imports nearly all of its food, and a Saudi-led blockade is devastating the nation. Last month, UNICEF reported that nearly half a million children there were experiencing life-threatening malnutrition. A million Yemeni people have been displaced after foreigners intervened in the country's civil war. The Saudi-led coalition has bombed health-care centers in Yemen, even one run by Doctors Without Borders that served a population of 200,000. This was not a stray bomb, but a sustained attack on the facility that lasted for hours. Doctors Without Borders had supplied its coordinates to the Saudi-led coalition ahead of the attack. It was still bombed.

Nahal Toosi of Politico reports that President Obama's administration is "increasingly frustrated" with Saudi Arabia. Not frustrated enough to withdraw its tactical and intelligence support, apparently. Just frustrated enough to leak limp quotes to Politico.

Saudi Arabia has been a longtime ally of the United States, a friend in a region where Iran and Iraq have been hostile. But the House of Saud's war in Yemen is a conflict that is angering several of our other allies. As early as April, Australia demanded a ceasefire to end the humanitarian crisis and killing of civilians. America's failure to listen or act has consequences for U.S. credibility (such as it exists). All the U.S. posturing about sparing civilian deaths in Libya and Syria is made into sick hypocrisy by the U.S. support of Saudi Arabia and friends. It also continues the pattern of the U.S. involving itself wherever there is destruction, death, and misery in the Middle East. Quite understandably, those who become victims of the chaos in the region will put blame on the world hegemon that decided to barge in uninvited.

It's a disgrace and an abomination. The Obama administration needs to recognize, like any designated driver, that a friend who is abetted in reckless behavior will become a liability. It's time to tell our friend to stop it, end the blockades, cease bombing civilian targets, and let the Yemeni people come to a new, hopefully more durable political settlement. The U.S. has enough disasters on its conscience in this region. We don't need Yemen, too.
 

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To be fair, saying that "Yemen is being destroyed in the process" implies that it was not-destroyed at some point.
 

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The Houthi's (Iran) have said 'peace' will come once they get back into the Yemeni government.
 

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The Week's Michael Brendan Dougherty just published an article titled "The moral hazard of Syria's Civil War":

The Syrian civil war is destined to disgrace every foreign power that intervenes in it.

This is a civil war that never ends. Interventions from major powers are aimed not at victory — the contours of which are unimaginable — but at improving the relative position of their clients at a negotiating table. Indeed, the U.S. and Russia deliberately deceived their own people about their aims in intervening, or who they are even fighting. None of the intervening powers seem to have a clear idea of what kind of end state they can achieve, or what they would be willing to do to achieve it.

And so, Syria and several world powers are stuck in an intractable regional conflict and consequent refugee crisis that threatens changing the political fortunes of European parties and the continuance of the Schengen scheme of free travel in continental Europe. It's a humanitarian disaster.

Further, the intervening powers — the United States, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and Saudi Arabia — have created moral hazards that actually encourage more bloodshed. We usually hear about moral hazard when talking about credit standards. For instance, if the government promises to backstop big banks from failure, it encourages them to make risky loans. The same distortion in calculation can happen in foreign policy.

When a band of rebels who by themselves have little hope of overthrowing their government can suddenly imagine a major power like the United States intervening on their behalf, the cost of revolution is lowered. The same goes for dictators holding onto a decrepit regime. If Iran and Russia swoop in, the dictator can defer recognizing the reality of his broken rule, and instead of accepting exile, he fights on.

That's what happened in Syria. In December 2012, the U.S., Britain, France, Turkey, and several Sunni allies "recognized" the opposition as the "legitimate representative" of the Syrian people. When that's on the table, there is no reason to accept Bashar al-Assad's concessions. President Obama's much publicized "red line," in which he said the United States had to intervene if Assad used chemical weapons, became an immediate inducement for rebel groups to launch an attack that provoked Assad to do just that.

Alan J. Kuperman of the University of Texas has applied this understanding of moral hazard to interventions justified under the emerging "Responsibility to Protect" norm in international affairs:

"The root of the problem is that genocide and ethnic cleansing often represent state retaliation against a sub-state group for rebellion, or armed secession, by some of its members. The emerging norm, by raising hopes of diplomatic and military intervention to protect these groups, unintentionally fosters rebellion by lowering its expected cost and raising its likelihood of success. Intervention does sometimes help rebels attain their political goals, but it is usually too late or inadequate to avert retaliation against civilians. Thus, the emerging norm resembles an imperfect insurance policy against genocidal violence. It creates a moral hazard that encourages the excessively risky behavior of rebellion by members of groups that are vulnerable to genocidal retaliation, but it cannot fully protect these groups against the backlash. The emerging norm thereby causes some genocidal violence that otherwise would not occur." [Alan J. Kuperman]

In other words, it is third parties, or the population at large, that pay the worst costs of this foreign policy moral hazard. We see this not just in the way that intervening powers in Syria have encouraged civil war, but also in how they have addressed the resulting humanitarian crisis. As Europe and the United States announced that they would expand their efforts to absorb refugees from the war, Assad increased the violence on populations he hoped would take advantage of this offer.

This parade of tragedies has been papered over in lies. As Americans became incensed at the depredations of ISIS, Obama promised to degrade and defeat them with air power. He's since shifted the goalposts to merely containing ISIS — and in the wake of Friday's terror attacks in Paris, France has found plenty of targets that the United States overlooked during months of bombing. Russia jumped into the conflict promising to take on ISIS, but instead bombed the so-called "moderate rebels" who were a more immediate and proximate threat to Assad, their client. Iran and the Gulf States hide their motives with similar deceptions.

Syria languishes, nearly half of its population displaced, a quarter exiled. And the great powers of the world continue their game of investing just enough into the conflict to keep it going. They may all avoid their worst-case scenarios for the aftermath, but at the price of destroying the country they claim to help.
 

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Interesting, but I don't know if moral hazard is really the right framework for thinking about it. Moral hazard exists for banks because they know the gov will bail them out if they take a risk and it blows up. There's not really an equivalent backstop for insurgents- they're still risking their lives.

That being said, you won't get any complaint from me on the general concept, which is that turning this into a proxy war has exacerbated the humanitarian disaster and worsened the conflict.
 

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The National Interest's Doug Bandow just published an article titled "Should the US Leave NATO?"

Is NATO a military alliance or social club? The “North Atlantic” Treaty Organization just invited Montenegro to join. With 2,080 men under arms, Podgorica is a military nullity. Having peacefully separated from Serbia years ago, Montenegro neither threatens nor is threatened by anyone. Adding it to NATO is like accumulating Facebook Friends. They do little more than allow preening Washington officials to wander the globe gloating how popular the U.S. is.

During the Cold War NATO was viewed as deadly serious. Washington was determined to defend Western Europe from the avaricious, totalitarian Soviet Union. The allies had been devastated by World War II and faced an aggressive communist superpower. The nightmare scenario was a Red Army armored attack through the Fulda Gap. For years war seemed to be a real possibility.

Then the Soviet Union collapsed. The Warsaw Pact dissolved. The Central and Eastern Europeans raced westward. And NATO lost its raison d’etre. The quintessential anti-Soviet alliance no longer had anything to defend or defend against.

For a time allied officials were nervous about the organization’s future. But as Public Choice economists would predict, institutional instinct took over. Supporters proposed new roles for NATO, such as promoting student exchanges and combating the drug trade. Eventually they subordinated the military to the political, and being less concerned about economic and legal reform, became a geopolitical Welcome Wagon for former Warsaw Pact members. The slogan seemed to be “come one, come all.”

The good times came to a halt last year with the Ukraine crisis. The Baltic States suddenly looked vulnerable and alliance members remembered the little matter of Article 5, which committed them to battle against a nuclear-armed power to protect largely indefensible nations. Worse, the Baltic three, which had been absorbed by the Soviet Union, were irrelevant to the security of the rest of Europe. Nor did Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania add meaningful military assets to the alliance: they currently have, respectively, 5,750, 5,310, and 10,950 men under arms. Americans and Europeans were expected to risk nuclear war as an act of international charity.

Proposals to add Georgia and Ukraine would multiply the dangers. Russian aggressiveness, though unjustified, illustrates how important Moscow views its influence in both nations, which also never were seen as relevant to European security. Both were not only part of the Soviet Union but the Russian Empire. Bringing them into NATO would be seen by Russia as comparable to the Warsaw Pact inducting Mexico and Canada. Washington would not, shall we say, be pleased. The West’s laudable desire to protect the right of Georgians and Ukrainians to chart their own course unfortunately is seen by the Russian government—in part because of maladroit allied policies, such as NATO expansion—as provocative attempts at encirclement. Nothing in Kiev or Tbilisi is worth a nuclear confrontation. Especially one in which the U.S. likely would find most of its European allies back in Brussels locked in a fetal position.

The problem is not just NATO’s recent expansion. An alliance on autopilot ignores changes within existing members. For instance, Turkey is proving to be another area of confrontation that undermines U.S. and European security. Never quite the geopolitical lynch-pin that it was made out to be, Ankara spent years prosecuting a brutal campaign against Kurdish separatists and occupied more than one-third of the Republic of Cyprus, creating an ethnic Turkish state recognized only by Ankara. Turkey turned in an ever more authoritarian and Islamist direction once President Recep Tayyip Erdogan dropped his early liberalizing pretensions. Ironically, he now appears determined to create a presidency modeled after that of Vladimir Putin. So much for NATO promoting liberal democracy. (That always was a job for the European Union anyway.)

Worse, though, is Ankara’s irresponsible shoot-down of the Russian plane. Even assuming that Turkey’s claims as to the Russian incursion and Turkish warnings are accurate, 17 seconds over Turkish territory did not warrant such a deadly response. Indeed, Ankara routinely violates the airspace of fellow NATO member Greece. That policy forces cash-strapped Athens to waste its limited resources responding. One wonders at the Erdogan government’s reaction if Greece chose to down the Turkish offenders. (NATO is talking about bolstering Turkey’s air defenses against Russia; how about aiding the Greeks against Ankara?)

Of course, Turkey knew that Russian forces have no hostile aims—indeed, none of the active combatants, including Syria, are targeting Turkish personnel or materiel. Ankara may have been protecting the illicit oil trade or insurgents in an area dominated by the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front, or attempting to punish Moscow for backing Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad. The first two undermine American interests. The latter might fit with an official aim of Washington, but runs against the more fundamental objective of destroying the Islamic State. None of these potential Turkish goals justifies allowing Ankara to drag NATO into a war with Russia. My Cato Institute colleague Ted Galen Carpenter suggests defenestrating this misbegotten alliance member.

Striking is how all of these members, new and old, as well as aspirants—the Baltic States, Georgia and Ukraine, and Turkey—degrade U.S. security. Montenegro, at least, plays the harmless role of the Duchy of Fenwick in the Mouse that Roared. Although its inclusion in the alliance will further antagonize an already paranoid Russia, Podgorica really is irrelevant strategically and militarily. The others are not. In a worst case all of them could ensnare America in a war with a nuclear-armed power over modest, indeed, minimal, security stakes. The policy frankly is mad.

However, even if Washington’s NATO commitments did not bring far more dangers than benefits, they would be unjustified. Europe could, if it was so inclined, defend itself. Why, 70 years after the conclusion of World War II, 26 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and 22 years after creation of the European Union, are the Europeans still dependent on America?

Retired Gen. Robert Scales, commandant of the Army War College, recently complained that: “At 30,000, there are fewer American soldiers protecting Western Europe, a piece of the planet that produces 46 percent of global GDP, than there are cops in New York City.” But why can’t an area that accounts for almost half of the world’s production (an overstatement, but never mind) and has a larger population than America provide its own soldiers for defense? Why can’t an area of such economic prowess, which has around eight times the GDP and three times the population of its only possible antagonist, Russia, deploy an armed force capable of deterring any threats?

The reason the Europeans don’t do so is because they don’t want to and don’t have to. Some don’t believe that Moscow actually poses much of a threat. Others figure only the nations bordering Russia face any risk, and there’s little interest in “Old Europe” for confronting Moscow over “New Europe.” And almost everyone assumes America will take care of any problems.

Particularly striking is the lack of military effort from those supposedly threatened by the supposed new Hitler to the east. This year NATO-Europe came in at 1.5 percent of GDP, well short of the two percent objective. Only Estonia, Greece (mostly to confront Turkey), Poland (first time ever), and the United Kingdom made that level. Notably missing are France, Germany, and Italy (the continent’s other major powers), Latvia and Lithuania (squealing loudly about Russian threats), and Turkey (challenging Russia over parochial rather than alliance interests).

Over the years American officials have pleaded, cajoled, contended, and begged the Europeans to do more. Even during the Cold War such efforts failed to yield much fruit. They have even less chance of working in the future. Reported Jan Techau of Carnegie Europe: “the dependence of European NATO allies on the United States has further increased since the end of the Cold War, not decreased.” Indeed, he added, “while European membership in NATO has nearly doubled since 1990, defense spending by Europeans has gone down by 28 percent since then.”

First, the U.S. insists that it will never leave. So long as it frenetically “reassures” allies, trying to convince them that Americans are worthy to subsidize Europe, the latter will respond by not doing much. Second, Russia doesn’t threaten America or most of Europe. The latter have little incentive to spend more. Third, domestic economic concerns remain paramount throughout the continent. There are few votes to be gained from supporting greater military expenditures to meet a phantom threat because it would gladden hearts in Washington, Vilnius, and Kiev.

The United States should do in 2016 what it failed to do in 1990. It should announce that the world has changed since creation of a U.S.-dominated NATO. It is time to refashion the alliance for a world in which allies had prospered and enemies had disappeared. One possibility for the future would be a European-run NATO, with America perhaps as an associate member. Another alternative would be a continental defense run alongside the European Union. Maybe there’s something else.

But the time for subsidizing, coddling and reassuring the Europeans is over. American taxpayers deserve as much consideration as European ones. U.S. military forces shouldn’t be deployed to advance interests of greatest concern to other nations. Any future alliances forged by Washington should act as serious military pacts, not international social clubs.
 

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For those interested in witnessing the scale of destruction in Yemen, here are some photos (you have to cycle through them by clicking under the picture at the top). The Saudis are doing this with American support and materiel.
 

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For those interested in witnessing the scale of destruction in Yemen, here are some photos (you have to cycle through them by clicking under the picture at the top). The Saudis are doing this with American support and materiel.

I was near tears a couple of times looking at those pictures. The Muhamashin being marginalized is a particularly difficult reality to grapple with.
 

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That's fully consonant with most of what I've read about the subject. Prior to this conflict, Yemen was already one of the poorest countries in the region. Saudi Arabia's blockade has turned that poverty into an appalling humanitarian crisis.

And yet we hear nothing about this from American media, despite our government's ongoing and active support, because it doesn't fit into a neat political narrative.
 
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That's fully consonant with most of what I've read about the subject. Prior to this conflict, Yemen was already one of the poorest countries in the region. Saudi Arabia's blockade has turned that poverty into an appalling humanitarian crisis.

And yet we hear nothing about this from American media, despite our government's ongoing and active support, because it doesn't fit into a neat political narrative.

My God, this world is more f***ed up than I give it credit for.
 

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No kidding. Let's let them all come here!

Total non sequitar. But since you're here, why don't you share your thoughts on how American Christians should properly respond to the crises in Yemen?
 
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That's fully consonant with most of what I've read about the subject. Prior to this conflict, Yemen was already one of the poorest countries in the region. Saudi Arabia's blockade has turned that poverty into an appalling humanitarian crisis.

And yet we hear nothing about this from American media, despite our government's ongoing and active support, because it doesn't fit into a neat political narrative.

This was in my mailbox this morning, hopefully it's a sign of questions and scrutiny to come, and soon.



By Paul McLeary with Adam Rawnsley

Looking under the hood. Washington’s support for the Saudi Arabia-led coalition fighting it out with Houthi rebels in Yemen appears unwavering, but some members of Congress now want a heads up when new batches of U.S. weapons are shipped to Riyadh. FP’s John Hudson scoops that members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee want notification of when shipments of the newly-inked deal for $1.3 billion in bombs and other warheads are sent to Riyadh, though they don’t really have any intention of stopping the flow.

“The move signals a growing unease on Capitol Hill with the Saudi-led war effort against Houthi rebels in Yemen, a conflict the United Nations says has killed more than 5,700 people and has forced another 2.3 million from their homes,” Hudson writes. The U.S. is heavily involved in the war, and FP has been tracking the hundreds of sorties U.S. planes have flown to refuel Saudi and Emirati jets over the past eight months, pumping millions of gallons of fuel into their bombers while they hunt for targets in Yemen.
 

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.... as always, follow the money. It almost ALWAYS leads you to both the truth and the future.


.... sadly.


What can the USA do about that? A lot.
What will the USA do about that? Nothing until our oil industry people and money-interest people tell "us" that Gulf State oil is no longer of global economic significance to them. {on a smaller but still significant scale}, The same behavior dominated the chlorofluorocarbon ozone-depleting governmental positions. We did nothing [even issuing denials of effect for awhile] until Dupont and IBM told government that they didn't need those exact chemicals any longer, as they'd hustled to develop alternatives, and so it was OK by them to ban the things. The Montreal Protocol was immediately approved.
 
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