Floyd News

[InKellyITrust]

NDinLA, I disagree with your Michigan assessment. You forget that this matchup is a rivalry, in the big house, and at night. Those are 3 important factors that make this game a toss up regardless of the presence of Michael Floyd.

And despite what others think, I believe Brady Hoke was a very good hire. I still expect us to beat them, and probably convincingly. But it's Michigan in the Big House with Big Ten refs. Anything can happen.

You said that they're good but we're going to win convincingly in the same statement. Color me confused.

 

[koonja]

And I'm sure there's real meaning behind what BK is saying. But it's also a huge PR thing. He doesn't want to look soft on his players, so he's saying the right things. When this dies down in a month, he'll tell us that MF is cleared to play and he's done a great job moving forward. Note it.

 

[Riddickulous]

The thing about the Michigan rivalry is that what's expected to happen never happens.

In '04, eventual 6-6 Notre Dame was coming off of a loss to BYU and Rose Bowl bound Michigan rambled into South Bend ranked 8th. The Irish won 28-20.

In '05, many expected a shootout in the Big House. The final score was 17-10, Notre Dame.

In '06, #2 Notre Dame had just steamrolled Penn State in impressive fashion and #16 Michigan had struggled to stop Central Michigan's offense (coached by Brian Kelly). The Irish were expected to roll and got rolled themselves, 47-21 (worst loss that I've ever experienced as I live in Michigan and dealt with the Michigan backlash).

In '07, most didn't know what to expect, as both teams had two horrible losses to open the year. 38-0.

In '08, both teams had won in less than impressive fashion the week before (our 21-13 win over SDSU and Michigan's wonderful 16-6 win over Miami of Ohio), and so most expected an ugly low-scoring affair. 35-17.

In '09, Michigan's inexperienced team wasn't supposed to give Notre Dame much of a fight. 38-34 Michigan.

 

[koonja]

The thing about the Michigan rivalry is that what's expected to happen never happens.

In '04, eventual 6-6 Notre Dame was coming off of a loss to BYU and Rose Bowl bound Michigan rambled into South Bend ranked 8th. The Irish won 28-20.

In '05, many expected a shootout in the Big House. The final score was 17-10, Notre Dame.

In '06, #2 Notre Dame had just steamrolled Penn State in impressive fashion and #16 Michigan had struggled to stop Central Michigan's offense (coached by Brian Kelly). The Irish were expected to roll and got rolled themselves, 47-21 (worst loss that I've ever experienced as I live in Michigan and dealt with the Michigan backlash).

In '07, most didn't know what to expect, as both teams had two horrible losses to open the year. 38-0.

In '08, both teams had won in less than impressive fashion the week before (our 21-13 win over SDSU and Michigan's wonderful 16-6 win over Miami of Ohio), and so most expected an ugly low-scoring affair. 35-17.

In '09, Michigan's inexperienced team wasn't supposed to give Notre Dame much of a fight. 38-34 Michigan.

This is exactly why I'm happy with reslife's decision and excited he'll be available for the game. It's Floyd's first major offense, from what we know he's going to do all of the right things, and reslife conducted their due process. Nothing's a given and I'm very excited that we'll have MF all season.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I see your point... but if you think about it, we've been favored the last two years against michigan. We lost both games. I agree with you that we should be able to beat them, but they're going to have a LOT of emotion in this game. First night game EVER, new coach, anything could happen. And you have to agree that no matter what our predicted record is, ND wil have 1-2 more wins just because of MF. He's that good. He's re-written the record books at ND in just 3 years (and he's been out due to injury in many of those games). I accept that I look both selfish and bias when I say this, but I'm happy with the result. Reslife is there for a reason, and they did their version of due process and I'm happy that we'll have Floyd all year (presumably) because if last year taught us anything, nothing is given.

I definitely agree with you and others that nothing is for certain, and anything can happen in these games, no doubt.

But even though it is in the Big House, at night, against a rival, we're still the MUCH better team, with or without Floyd. And it goes beyond talent guys.

I'm talking about systems. I'm not sure people realize how difficult it is to go from a true option-read spread with spread players and spread O-Linemen to a true pro-style offense. It is completely different! This isn't ND with CW going from a west coast style offense to his pro-style offense, which feature many similarities. This is like what DickRod went through his first year transitioning from a pro-style to a spread with pro-style players. You saw the results.

Hell, look at what ND went through last year on offense and defense. It was not pretty a lot of the year. But by the end of the year, we were humming baby, esp on defense/ Michigan is playing us at the beginning of the year...big difference.

I know anything can and will happen...I'm just saying, we should beat Michigan next year with or without Michael Floyd...no doubt! I couldn't say that in previous years. This coming year, I can (and I will goddammit!!!)

 

[koonja]

I definitely agree with you and others that nothing is for certain, and anything can happen in these games, no doubt.

But even though it is in the Big House, at night, against a rival, we're still the MUCH better team, with or without Floyd. And it goes beyond talent guys.

I'm talking about systems. I'm not sure people realize how difficult it is to go from a true option-read spread with spread players and spread O-Linemen to a true pro-style offense. It is completely different! This isn't ND with CW going from a west coast style offense to his pro-style offense, which feature many similarities. This is like what DickRod went through his first year transitioning from a pro-style to a spread with pro-style players. You saw the results.

Hell, look at what ND went through last year on offense and defense. It was not pretty a lot of the year. But by the end of the year, we were humming baby, esp on defense/ Michigan is playing us at the beginning of the year...big difference.

I know anything can and will happen...I'm just saying, we should beat Michigan next year with or without Michael Floyd...no doubt! I couldn't say that in previous years. This coming year, I can (and I will goddammit!!!)

Haha, well I love your enthusiasm. This is going to be a great year (I know we say this often), but 19 starters coming back, a deep defense, experienced QB, Cierre's turning heads, I'm so pumped.

 

[IrishMoore1]

You guys are definitely making good points about the system changes, our returning starters etc. But do you guys remember the awful calls made by the big ten refs in 2009? It was so blatantly bad I honestly feel like the refs threw that game. I can't help but worry some of the same things will happen again this season and in a much more hostile environment. Michael Floyd played in that game as well. And yes, there are always calls that are a little questionable and difficult to judge, but these calls were just plain bad.

I recognize that we still had opportunities to win that game, but the referee officials certainly laid down additional hurdles for us.

I def believe we should destroy Michigan, especially with Floyd, but the 2009 match up should have also had the same result.

 

[Riddickulous]

You guys are definitely making good points about the system changes, our returning starters etc. But do you guys remember the awful calls made by the big ten refs in 2009? It was so blatantly bad I honestly feel like the refs threw that game. I can't help but worry some of the same things will happen again this season and in a much more hostile environment. Michael Floyd played in that game as well. And yes, there are always calls that are a little questionable and difficult to judge, but these calls were just plain bad.

I recognize that we still had opportunities to win that game, but the referee officials certainly laid down additional hurdles for us.

I def believe we should destroy Michigan, especially with Floyd, but the 2009 match up should have also had the same result.

We lost the 2009 game due to a mix of awful defense, making crucial mistakes at inopportune times, and some terrible calls.

We were up 20-17 at the beginning of the second half when Jonas fumbled, giving Michigan a short field and an easy path to take the lead at 24-20. Darius Fleming had good pursuit on Tate Forcier on a fourth down scramble on the first play of the fourth quarter, and then got absolutely embarassed when Forcier cut upfield and ran for the touchdown. We fought back and scored two TDs (without Floyd, by the way), and on the drive to put the game away, Charlie decided to go deep and put the game away. Golden Tate came back for the ball and had to make a grab at it with one hand because Donovan Warren had his entire left side wrapped up. No call. Then Shaq didn't get his head turned around in time and Clausen's perfect pass sailed out of bounds.

Overall, a very frustrating game.

 

[phork]

We should have beat them the last 2 years in a row. The difference? The defense. I expect to win that game on the fact that our defense improved greatly. There is absolutely no excuse to lose to those guys this year. New systems (again) and their defense is devoid of talent. Wait until 2012 when Martin and VanBergen are gone.

 

[IrishBlood81]

You guys have any clue what the his sentence might be after going to court on May 2nd?
My dad was saying that he could definitely get some jail time, anywhere from 30 days to plenty more.
Is this at all accurate? I hate to quench the joy here but we gotta face reality. Unless of course, I'm just over reacting and you guys pretty much know whats gonna go down with the state justice system.

Oh and lets keep the Michigan chat in a different, more appropriate thread ya?

 

[Riddickulous]

We should have beat them the last 2 years in a row. The difference? The defense. I expect to win that game on the fact that our defense improved greatly. There is absolutely no excuse to lose to those guys this year. New systems (again) and their defense is devoid of talent. Wait until 2012 when Martin and VanBergen are gone.

Michigan might actually start 1-3 if they really can't catch a break in 2012. They open with Alabama, who will undoubtedly manhandle them, then head home to play Air Force. With the Crimson Tide being the opener, Michigan probably won't spend a minute of their time on Air Force's offense until that week. If things go badly, they could lose that one. They have an open spot in week three that will be filled with someone like Toledo, WMU, or EMU, and then us on 9/22.

 

[charlyp123]

We should have beat them the last 2 years in a row.".

That is why I think this is a MUST WIN game for 2011. The worst era in Michigan football and the Irish go 1-2 against them. And the game they win, Charlie gets his leg blown out... ouch. Again, MUST WIN GAME!!!

Only thing that scares me is that it will be a night game at Michigan Stadium, which they have never done before.

 

[BGIF]

You guys have any clue what the his sentence might be after going to court on May 2nd?
My dad was saying that he could definitely get some jail time, anywhere from 30 days to plenty more.
Is this at all accurate? I hate to quench the joy here but we gotta face reality. Unless of course, I'm just over reacting and you guys pretty much know whats gonna go down with the state justice system.

Oh and lets keep the Michigan chat in a different, more appropriate thread ya?

A judge could issue jail time but I don't think that's likely considering he didn't flee, offer false I.D., cooperated with the police from reports, was locked up that night, has publicly apologized, has been pillared by the media, was suspended, probably in already in alcohol/behavior counseling, has community service, etc, from Res Life, AND still has his last offense from Minnesota hanging over his head. He was probably on probation/suspended sentence from that court and they may well have another shot at him. I would expect the judge to take all those actions into consideration.

As opposed to making a punitive example of him with incarceration, that judge could make a positive example of him by sending him to local high schools to speak on drinking and driving. I'd also expect a fine and a license suspension. I could see that happening with both traffic court jurisdictions.

Whatever network ND is on this Fall (NBC, ESPN, ABC, Versus) expect announcers to repeat this saga over and over. Hopefully Floyd will have mended his ways and they will speak of personal growth, maturity, and the role model he became in the intervening 6 months.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

You guys have any clue what the his sentence might be after going to court on May 2nd?
My dad was saying that he could definitely get some jail time, anywhere from 30 days to plenty more.
Is this at all accurate? I hate to quench the joy here but we gotta face reality. Unless of course, I'm just over reacting and you guys pretty much know whats gonna go down with the state justice system.

Oh and lets keep the Michigan chat in a different, more appropriate thread ya?

No it would be an absolute shock if he got jail time. This isn't his 2nd or 3rd DUI. Noone was injured, and he was cooperative. Jails/Prisons barely have enough room as is, let alone if they started putting 1st time offenders with no aggravating circumstances behind bars.

He's goin to get crushed with fines. That sucks for him, better now he learn his lesson then in the real world when he could lose his job..etc

 

[IrishTimer]

I hope part of his ResLife/Civil punishment is alcohol abuse counseling. I also hope Floyd reflects on the people he is surrounding himself with.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I hope part of his ResLife/Civil punishment is alcohol abuse counseling. I also hope Floyd reflects on the people he is surrounding himself with.

Yeah. I really hope he has to do some volunteer work in the ER on like a fri/sat night for a few months. He'll have a chance to see the consequences of his actions.

I saw a few autopsies courtesy of my internship. The first guy got drunk, and drove in front of a train. His body was mangled, and half his head missing with the brain at the bottom of the body bag. Second, was a 21 year old girl who OD'd on heroin, that was by far the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

 

[vinnymac2402]

I think Coach Kelly should talk Father Link who voluntarys at the prison i work at and have Floyd talk to inmates who are serving life sentence for there mistakes with drinking and driving. Then go to local school and talk to them about mistake and how to be a man and get them corrected.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

No way he serves jail time. This is his first offense. He had some citations before, but those are on the same level as a speeding ticket. He spent a night in jail and that will be the only time he will spend in there.

 

[IrishBlood81]

A judge could issue jail time but I don't think that's likely considering he didn't flee, offer false I.D., cooperated with the police from reports, was locked up that night, has publicly apologized, has been pillared by the media, was suspended, probably in already in alcohol/behavior counseling, has community service, etc, from Res Life, AND still has his last offense from Minnesota hanging over his head. He was probably on probation/suspended sentence from that court and they may well have another shot at him. I would expect the judge to take all those actions into consideration.

As opposed to making a punitive example of him with incarceration, that judge could make a positive example of him by sending him to local high schools to speak on drinking and driving. I'd also expect a fine and a license suspension. I could see that happening with both traffic court jurisdictions.

Whatever network ND is on this Fall (NBC, ESPN, ABC, Versus) expect announcers to repeat this saga over and over. Hopefully Floyd will have mended his ways and they will speak of personal growth, maturity, and the role model he became in the intervening 6 months.

You saw this in your Palantir again didn't you? Great news though! Thats pretty much what I thought but my dad really freaked me out when he said that.

Yeah I definitely see the Networks making this a big constant story as well. But like you said, hopefully it will be in a positive light.

No it would be an absolute shock if he got jail time. This isn't his 2nd or 3rd DUI. Noone was injured, and he was cooperative. Jails/Prisons barely have enough room as is, let alone if they started putting 1st time offenders with no aggravating circumstances behind bars.

He's goin to get crushed with fines. That sucks for him, better now he learn his lesson then in the real world when he could lose his job..etc

Great to know! The fines are gonna be really tuff for him. Being from a poorer family, I don't know how he is going to handle them. But it will definitely teach him his lesson...I hope.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Yeah. I really hope he has to do some volunteer work in the ER on like a fri/sat night for a few months. He'll have a chance to see the consequences of his actions.

I saw a few autopsies courtesy of my internship. The first guy got drunk, and drove in front of a train. His body was mangled, and half his head missing with the brain at the bottom of the body bag. Second, was a 21 year old girl who OD'd on heroin, that was by far the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

The OD was more disgusting than the guy who got decapitated? How is that?

 

[calvegas04]

Yeah I don't think he needs to be put in front of dead bodies. He has gone through enough just let him be

 

[jerboski]

Any news on how he is doing and possible reinstatement date will be?

 

[GainesvilleIrish]

Nope, when news comes it'll be posted.

 

[mgriff]

You won't be able to miss it when it comes. I'm sure it will be at the top of the front page when anything is known.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Any news on how he is doing and possible reinstatement date will be?

Yeah, I'd love to know the same thing! I'm dieing for some Floyd news...some GOOD floyd news

 

[jerboski]

You and me both IrishBlood!

 

[Riddickulous]

Heart attacks everywhere following the update of this thread.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Heart attacks everywhere following the update of this thread.

Haha! yeah true. When I first saw it updated I was like "WHAT?!" and hoped it was good news but still gave me a freak! grin:

 

[rtrn2glory]

Floyd just pled not guilty per a link from ESPN

Notre Dame Fighting Irish WR Michael Floyd pleads not guilty to DUI charge - ESPN

 

[Rhode Irish]

^As is customary.