Floyd Arrested

[sharksamardzija8345]

.19 the same blood-alcohol level Leonard Little had when he killed the lady he hit in 1998. Dante Stallworths was .126 when he hit and killed a man. So please don't try to down play when someone is driving a car at twice the legal limit.

I'm just saying I've been clocked at .17 and felt pretty much fine.. probably not good enough to drive but definitely not stumbling over my two feet or seeing 5 of the same thing.. the number is not an exact science to what he was feeling at the time is my main point.. for people to say he was "hammered" because he was at a .19 is a flawed statement because none of us are Michael Floyd so none of us know exactly how intoxicated he was

 

[GBdomer]

I agree with the post above. Once you see those blue,red, and white headlights you sober up pretty quick. But what Michael did was wrong and he will need to face his punishment like a man. BTW Donte Stallworth was also high when he killed someone so he was a little more messed up than Floyd.

 

[Irish Fam]

A few thoughts after reading the recent posts...

I respect the tradition of Notre Dame as much as the next guy, but I think deep down just about everyone on here would be pretty accepting of the cop ushering Floyd home. The cop could have contacted Coach Kelly and told him what had happened, leaving BK as the disciplinarian. I think Mike would have learned a bit of a lesson after a few hours with BK and Longo. That all being said, I do not condone drinking and driving what so ever. I understand the extreme dangers of the situation, but if the cop would have let Mike of lightly it would have been far from the first time a cop has looked the other way so to speak.

The .19 BAC is not the end of the world. It is a common debate within courtrooms and social settings the difference between a 250lb male and a 115lb female blowing a certain number. Don't get me wrong, .19 is drunk, but I don't think that Mike was falling at the cops feet.

I am disappointed that Mike has put himself in this position, but I wish him the best. And hope that we all have a chance to root for him at some point this year.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Listen, I am not saying he should not be punished or follow the rules. I am saying that just because he has 1 serious offense (Yes, Underage drinking violations are simple tickets and you go on your way) does not mean you should forfeit the remainder of your career.

I understand that these are ND's rules, but as a fan (who uses feelings) of ND football, I do not agree with the level to which they carry out their sanctions. There is not one thing wrong with giving him a 4 game suspension or giving the great biology student 2 weeks off from Cross Country or the Pre-Med guy off from "x" club for 1 month.

The same rules should apply to FLoyd and any other ND student, just to a lower level.

 

[IrishJimmy]

This is my take on the whole thing. Maybe not popular, but it's my opinion.

Notre Dame Football: Michael Floyd Has More at Stake Than Football | Bleacher Report

 

[BurningRiver]

I want Kelly to let Floyd play this season as much as the next guy, but I think ND needs to lay down the hammer on this one. It pains me so much to think how sketchy our receivers will be next year, but an example needs to be made of Floyd. Drinking and driving is a serious problem and it shouldn't be treated with a simple one-game suspension. I have friends whose families have been destroyed by drunk drivers and Mike is lucky he wasn't on either end of an injury or death in that situation.

After the ways we handled the Declan Sullivan and Lizzie Seeburg situations, I think we need to get back on the right track here. In my heart of hearts I think that somebody needed to be fired for the Sullivan incident, and the Lizzie Seeburg situations were not handled as thoroughly as I think they should've been. We are not USC. We do not play in the SEC. Notre Dame's goal is to win football games, but that is secondary to forming these players into men, and part of that is laying down the law when something like this happens.

Again, I hope this situation can be fairly resolved in a way that still results in Michael Floyd putting his Irish jersey back on, but I don't see that happening. I wish him the best in the future and in the NFL, especially with the tough situation he comes from, but he really screwed up here and I think he needs to be punished more severely.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

This is my take on the whole thing. Maybe not popular, but it's my opinion.

Notre Dame Football: Michael Floyd Has More at Stake Than Football | Bleacher Report

I can agree with that.

 

[phgreek]

I'm just saying I've been clocked at .17 and felt pretty much fine.. probably not good enough to drive but definitely not stumbling over my two feet or seeing 5 of the same thing.. the number is not an exact science to what he was feeling at the time is my main point.. for people to say he was "hammered" because he was at a .19 is a flawed statement because none of us are Michael Floyd so none of us know exactly how intoxicated he was

no but failing ALL the field sobriety tests...AND blowing a .19???

 

[IrishJimmy]

I can agree with that.

I was expecting a lot of criticism when I wrote that, but the feedback has been positive so far.

 

[irishfan]

It would be pretty badass if he pulled a Julius Jones (totally different scenario) and came back a year later and was a stud.

 

[IrishBlood81]

I want Kelly to let Floyd play this season as much as the next guy, but I think ND needs to lay down the hammer on this one.

Regretfully, Kelly more than likely will have no say whether he plays or not.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

no but failing ALL the field sobriety tests...AND blowing a .19???

some of those field sobriety tests are somewhat difficult to do sober lol.

 

[IrishBlood81]

I was expecting a lot of criticism when I wrote that, but the feedback has been positive so far.

I agree with it as well. Its too bad Logic will be over ruled by politics and what is technically right rather than what would actually help Mike.

 

[IrishLax]

no but failing ALL the field sobriety tests...AND blowing a .19???

Just to clarify on this (any cops on the board please correct me if I'm wrong) but a guy I work with is also a volunteer sheriff and told me that the eye test where they make you look to one side is basically impossible to pass and each eye counts as a separate test. So I don't think we should be jumping to the conclusion that failing field sobriety tests = Michael Floyd was smashed. I know I 'failed' the test with one gin and tonic in me.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I can't understand the debate here. Michael Floyd was drunk...he is no dummy, he knew he was drunk.

The cop could have taken him home and said "boys will be boys"??? Did I fall asleep and miss Notre Dame joining the SEC?

The only question is whether Res Life considers the spring semester the semester for suspension from football or says the spring semester is already half over and Floyd will be out for the season. I am alright with either eventuality.

I for one am proud to support an institution which refuses to cut corners to win. I don't want to beat the SEC, etc. by copying them. We can beat them and stick to our guns academically and morally.

 

[phgreek]

Just to clarify on this (any cops on the board please correct me if I'm wrong) but a guy I work with is also a volunteer sheriff and told me that the eye test where they make you look to one side is basically impossible to pass and each eye counts as a separate test. So I don't think we should be jumping to the conclusion that failing field sobriety tests = Michael Floyd was smashed. I know I 'failed' the test with one gin and tonic in me.

...true...they eye thing is not something you can compose yourself and pass...but that wasn't what they did (one leg stand, walk and turn, finger count). Read into the tests what you will...my take away is, based on the tests they chose, they weren't looking to nail someone dancing around the edge of .05 or whatever.

 

[phork]

Not to defend people here, but in Stallworth's defense the guy ran out into the road. It would have been tough to stop even with a 0 BAC.

 

[phgreek]

I was expecting a lot of criticism when I wrote that, but the feedback has been positive so far.

don't disagree with the point of view at all...part of the gig is indeed misionary work...somehow we all tend to look afar. Here is a great opportunity. Not saying if he should or should not play ball, but based on discussions with his family, if all decide the campus is where Mike is best served...I'd be proud of that choice.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Well, I thought twice or three times about posting this...Accidents happen whether you are drunk or sober.

I don't mean to sensationalize anything, but I walked in to either a post office or DMV - I can't remember - and this pic was featured at the entrance. It was shocking, and I read the few lines under the pic. I later heard more info on the story.

This stunningly beautiful lady I believe came to the U.S. and said she would not leave until she had become fluent in English.

After the accident, with many dead and her clinging to life, even her rescuers ran away after the car exploded into fire. They later returned to peel her off of the seat she was melted into. They tried to talk to her. All she said was, "I will not leave until I am fluent in English." That's the story I read. Here is the reality (Don't watch the video if you can't stomach harsh reality.) Heartbreaking and bone crushing story.

Drunk Driving: Jacqueline Saburido - Video

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[CanadianIrish]

The .19 BAC is not the end of the world. It is a common debate within courtrooms and social settings the difference between a 250lb male and a 115lb female blowing a certain number. Don't get me wrong, .19 is drunk, but I don't think that Mike was falling at the cops feet.

That's simply not true. I ran numerous DUI trials before I stopped doing criminal and have cross examined toxicologists on interpreting breathalyzer readings frequently. While tons of defendants claim they were fine while blowing 1.9, science doesn't see it that way. It takes more alcohol to get someone who is 250lbs to 1.9 than it does to get a 115lb woman to .19, but they are equally drunk at .19.

The only thing that can make someone feel less drunk at .19 is if they are an alcoholic or have a history of frequent binge drinking so that they are "used" to that level of drunkeness. I would also note that most jurisdictions have laws which make being twice the legal limit a more serious offense. Let's not minimize what Floyd did here.

That having been said, I don't think he deserves to be suspended for a season or anything like that. This incident shouldn't ruin his life, and a suspension of that nature would basically do that. The kid needs to be presenting a reasonable position to give to Res Life here - he should be in AA and admit he has a problem (which he obviously does if he's gotten cited once per off-season since 2009).

If he claims he has an addiction and is treating it and the school suspends him for a year (of even a large portion of it) I would be irate with Notre Dame.

 

[johnnykillz]

Well, I thought twice or three times about posting this...Accidents happen whether you are drunk or sober.

I don't mean to sensationalize anything, but I walked in to either a post office or DMV - I can't remember - and this pic was featured at the entrance. It was shocking, and I read the few lines under the pic. I later heard more info on the story.

This stunningly beautiful lady I believe came to the U.S. and said she would not leave until she had become fluent in English.

After the accident, with many dead and her clinging to life, even her rescuers ran away after the car exploded into fire. They later returned to peel her off of the seat she was melted into. They tried to talk to her. All she said was, "I will not leave until I am fluent in English." That's the story I read. Here is the reality (Don't watch the video if you can't stomach harsh reality.) Heartbreaking and bone crushing story.

Drunk Driving: Jacqueline Saburido - Video

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Wow. That is an intense story... I feel so sorry for her.

 

[irish1958]

One of the recent problems with alcohol is the "awake
drunk" problem due to drinking a large amount of the caffeine containing drinks (or consuming stimulant drugs). As a result, a lot of drunks aren't falling asleep but are getting into trouble. Indiana was thinking about banning them for this reason until our legislators decided to follow Greeley's advice and went West.

 

[OchoShayneO]

Hi guys, Sorry I couldn't stay on for the debate I created, I had to get to my other job.

I enjoyed the feedback, good stuff, couple points:

1. .19 is a high bac....if your a rookie. Ive woken up with hangovers worse than that.

B. All I was trying to say is I was way happier before I heard/read this news. I think ND should drop the hammer here. Its gonna hurt. Like no vaseline type of pain. Not like Dunlap getting a DUI and an indefinite suspension that turns into a 1 game suspension. Like holy crap I cant believe I dont get to watch number 3 dominate one more season.

3. Were all friends here guys. Im excited to see who is going to make the most of this opportunity to get more PT at receiver. So guess what, Im going to keep buying ND hats and t-shirt and supporting the team. I don't think the school should bend its standards at all because that just wouldn't be business as usual. But if I am a cop and ND fan that night, I probally sweep it under the rug and maybe call the coach. Let him handle it in house. Regarding all the hypothetical scenarios about car accidents where Mike decides all the sudden he wants pizza (which last I checked you can get delivered) I mean maybe but I dont think those odds are that high.

These guys are high profile athletes. I think they should get to enjoy some of the perks. If you disagree though thats all good too. To each his own.

 

[irishpat183]

Hi guys, Sorry I couldn't stay on for the debate I created, I had to get to my other job.

I enjoyed the feedback, good stuff, couple points:

1. .19 is a high bac....if your a rookie. Ive woken up with hangovers worse than that.

B. All I was trying to say is I was way happier before I heard/read this news. I think ND should drop the hammer here. Its gonna hurt. Like no vaseline type of pain. Not like Dunlap getting a DUI and an indefinite suspension that turns into a 1 game suspension. Like holy crap I cant believe I dont get to watch number 3 dominate one more season.

3. Were all friends here guys. Im excited to see who is going to make the most of this opportunity to get more PT at receiver. So guess what, Im going to keep buying ND hats and t-shirt and supporting the team. I don't think the school should bend its standards at all because that just wouldn't be business as usual. But if I am a cop and ND fan that night, I probally sweep it under the rug and maybe call the coach. Let him handle it in house. Regarding all the hypothetical scenarios about car accidents where Mike decides all the sudden he wants pizza (which last I checked you can get delivered) I mean maybe but I dont think those odds are that high.

These guys are high profile athletes. I think they should get to enjoy some of the perks. If you disagree though thats all good too. To each his own.

It's those two bold comments that make me question your way of thinking. You are truly immature(probably just turned 21 or maybe even younger). You can't possibly be serious. "Enjoy perks"?? So being worshipped on campus, getting a free education, and getting exposure to the NFL aren't perks???

The fact that Floyd has been busted twice before is reason enough to drop the hammer. He's obviously NOT GETTING IT. This is the perfect time to make a statement. Even athletes need to be taught a lesson.

 

[OchoShayneO]

23 so yea pretty young still. and yea being worshipped probally gets annoying so I dont think thats a perk.

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

I am appalled at he number of people that were wanting a slight punishment for DWI. The same people the decry other teams for playing law breakers and making excuse for thugs. Perhaps, to some members on this forum there are some crimes that are more acceptable and palatable than others. Breaking the law, is breaking the law. He could have maimed or killed someone. Some people are more worried about a season of football? Each person must be accountable for themselves. There must be a standard, I am sure that due to the popularity of alcohol use, the consequence for this action had already been outlined for all of the players. Standards must be applied to all players equally, regardless of talent level or roster spot.

IMO, The most dangerous word in the dictionary is the word "Rationalize"

 

[irishpat183]

23 so yea pretty young still. and yea being worshipped probally gets annoying so I dont think thats a perk.

But you have to see the fault in your own argument. You can't let Floyd slide, and bust the student. Doing that gives him the "OK" to do it again and again. Eventually he's going to kill himself or someone else.

And 23 is young, or course I"m only 29. I remember my college days and getting hammered. But driving was never an option. And to drive while imparied is just idiotic.

And if it was you, do you think you'd get a free pass?? So why should Mike?

 

[OchoShayneO]

Mike shouldn't get a pass from the school at all. We are ND ya know? I just think that these matters can be handled faster and more effective in house. Cop gets him a cab, says dont move your car until morning and gets word to the team. Let the team teach him a lesson. Anybody who has played sports in college D1-NAIA, D2 or 3 (probally not club, you hooligans) must have seen some teammate get in trouble and have the situation handled as a team. Letting your teammates down should be the worst punishment of all and thats why the team has the ability to teach him a lesson.

I wouldnt get a free pass from a cop but I am not a star athlete. But I do think if the Cops and ND fan then it has to be hard to arrest the guy.

Drinking and Driving has never been an option for me once I got to college. In HS though doing it is something I will always regret and thank god, I didnt get in any trouble because it is dangerous as anything.

We ask these guys to carry an attitude and a swagger on the field that makes them great and then bury them for a mistake when its their personality that makes them great. How many guys out there are 6-3 220 and can run fast. Theres a pretty good amount. How many guys are 6-3 220 and have the attitude to say Im better than you and I know it and thats why I am going to catch this ball in triple coverage. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Ocho I agree with you on some of your points. If the cop did in fact pull a solid and let Floyd get home safely without repercussion, nobody would know about it, and therefore nobody would be able to wag a judgmental finger at your thoughts. It isn't our place to say what the cop should have done, but it also isn't our place to blast you for simply stating what he could have done.

 

[OchoShayneO]

Thanks bro. thats all