Fall Camp 2019

[ResLife Hero]

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[BobbyMac]

Tim & Tim destroyin' names today.

Abdul Ramen

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JAYvon McKinley

 

[Old Man Mike]

If Ian Book is not our QB all year we are doomed to mediocrity to the tune of about five losses. My entire Green Koolaid fantasy season is based upon him being in the Heisman conversation while both lines grind up opponents' bones into training table bread and the DBackfield touches more footballs than the opponent receivers.

Is THAT too much to ask???

 

[T-Boone]

If Ian Book is not our QB all year we are doomed to mediocrity to the tune of about five losses. My entire Green Koolaid fantasy season is based upon him being in the Heisman conversation while both lines grind up opponents' bones into training table bread and the DBackfield touches more footballs than the opponent receivers.

Is THAT too much to ask???

I was saying the zack same thing this time last year about Wimbush.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

I was saying the zack same thing this time last year about Wimbush.

Next man in! But yeah, I really like OMM's assessment

 

[BobbyMac]

Next man in! But yeah, I really like OMM's assessment

I don't. If anyone could walk off the bench & pull a Kizer-'15, it's Phil. This program is somewhere else now. I think they only loose 4 with Koon at QB.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I don't. If anyone could walk off the bench & pull a Kizer-'15, it's Phil. This program is somewhere else now. I think they only loose 4 with Koon at QB.

I'm with Crusader. PJ looks like he just need to loosen up and get some confidence. His confidence is continuing to grow and all of his throws look good now. His ability to stretch the defense deep and with his legs would give Long different options.

PJ would require a different game plan but I have faith he can win games for us starting this year, if needed.

Honest question: Do you believe Wimbush is a better runner than PJ? Because I definitely give PJ the nod in terms of arm strength/accuracy. We won't know until he gets in the game but he looks ready now.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm with Crusader. PJ looks like he just need to loosen up and get some confidence. His confidence is continuing to grow and all of his throws look good now. His ability to stretch the defense deep and with his legs would give Long different options.

PJ would require a different game plan but I have faith he can win games for us starting this year, if needed.

Honest question: Do you believe Wimbush is a better runner than PJ? Because I definitely give PJ the nod in terms of arm strength/accuracy. We won't know until he gets in the game but he looks ready now.

I don't think we've seen enough of Phil to see if he's a better runner than BW, but I would put my money on BW right now. BW has a strong arm, maybe as strong as Phil's, but we know about BW's accuracy. Still want to see Phil under fire to see how much his confidence has improved. Reports so far are positive, but as Alan Iverson said, "We're talking about practice, practice".

 

[ThePiombino]

I was gonna chime in on this last night, but didn't have the energy. Have we learned nothing about doubting our QB2s?

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[Some Irish Bloke]

Agreed. Remember how negative we were on Kizer after the '15 spring game? Talked about how doomed we were if Zaire went down and we all know how that season turned out.

Kizer wasn't very crisp either. Clunky against UVA until that final drive and was less than superb against GT in a great team win, then things started clicking.

I could see the same with PJ if (heaven forbid) something happened to Book.

Ye of little faith. How can so many preach that this is BK's most talented roster top to bottom, then say we are 7-5 without #12? There must be a disconnect with our talent evaluation/opinions.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Not worth arguing about I suppose, but last year I wasn't touting Wimbush at this point, I was touting Book. And still am. Book's ability to deliver rapidly and on-time is what makes our OLine a great one --- masking some deficiencies. His ability to assess the short zones rapidly is what makes our tight ends and slots now dangerous, again without having good-but-not-AA-obvious talent there. His performance last season gives him the in-huddle street-cred which inspires the rest to give the next play all they've got.

All that will win vs MI, VA, VT, USC, Stanford et al. If Jurkovec can beat those teams without some of those Book qualities (yet) then that will be a pleasant surprise and of course one I hope for fervently.

 

[Irish#1]

Agreed. Remember how negative we were on Kizer after the '15 spring game? Talked about how doomed we were if Zaire went down and we all know how that season turned out.

Kizer wasn't very crisp either. Clunky against UVA until that final drive and was less than superb against GT in a great team win, then things started clicking.

I could see the same with PJ if (heaven forbid) something happened to Book.

Ye of little faith. How can so many preach that this is BK's most talented roster top to bottom, then say we are 7-5 without #12? There must be a disconnect with our talent evaluation/opinions.

You know what they say about opinions! lol

 

[NDMIA]

Obviously all I care about is winning the football games but I’m gonna get a little greedy here. I really hope for the Louisville game and New Mexico game that ND is able to jump out to a sizeable lead quickly and goes more in the Clemson mold where they humiliate opponents as quickly as possible. I hope BK doesn’t start running clock when he’s up 21 and working on looks. Instead I hope they slam these opponents like New Mexico, Bowling Green and hopefully Louisville and then you can get Phil Jurkovec as much time as possible in those games. That’s the ultimate hope because if Phil could get a legitimate quarter or two of game time potentially then that would be huge experience. I really hope by UGA that Phil has actually thrown 10-15 game passes and gets a little bit of a rhythm on the field.

 

[snoopdog]

I know it's nit picking, but IMO opinion PJ would be a much better starting QB than Kizer was, if he was forced to go in the event that Book got injured.

The only cavaet to this is if Book got injured early in the Georgia game. That would be a tall order to enter the game in Athens and perform at a high level.

 

[benneboy]

I know it's nit picking, but IMO opinion PJ would be a much better starting QB than Kizer was, if he was forced to go in the event that Book got injured.

The only cavaet to this is if Book got injured early in the Georgia game. That would be a tall order to enter the game in Athens and perform at a high level.

Phil's had two good practices in front of the media his entire career compared to about 20 uninspiring performances. Even comparing him to a second round draft pick is premature. Saying he'd be better is a little silly at this point.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I know it's nit picking, but IMO opinion PJ would be a much better starting QB than Kizer was, if he was forced to go in the event that Book got injured.

The only cavaet to this is if Book got injured early in the Georgia game. That would be a tall order to enter the game in Athens and perform at a high level.

Um, Kizer was pretty darn good. Sure, he had some ill-advised decisions here and there, but he wasn't the problem with those teams... (I'm looking at you, BVG)

 

[Luckylucci]

Phil's had two good practices in front of the media his entire career compared to about 20 uninspiring performances. Even comparing him to a second round draft pick is premature. Saying he'd be better is a little silly at this point.

Definitely not true. He's had more than two good practices this camp alone. How many media viewings have they had? His only poor day was day 1.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Definitely not true. He's had more than two good practices this camp alone. How many media viewings have they had? His only poor day was day 1.

And to add to this, at least a couple of reports were that Ian looked a little rough day 1 too...

 

[benneboy]

Definitely not true. He's had more than two good practices this camp alone. How many media viewings have they had? His only poor day was day 1.

They've seen 4 I believe. Said they saw basically nothing in the last one it was so short and the first one was same Phil from last year. 4-2=2. Although I guess if it's 3 good practices we can go ahead and make him a day 2 draft pick.

 

[benneboy]

And to add to this, at least a couple of reports were that Ian looked a little rough day 1 too...

Book took a team to the playoffs and set the record for completion percentage.

 

[RDU Irish]

Book took a team to the playoffs and set the record for completion percentage.

Get out of here with your facts!!! QB2 is always the best QB at ND - unless there is a QB3 worth talking about.

Reality is you need QB2 ready to go ever single snap - I hope PJ is ready. Destroying lesser teams gives not just QB2 but all other backups some valuable game experience - more than just running V formation. 10 to 20 minutes of game time and actually moving the ball instead of just "not screwing up" 3 & out ball our 2nd team usually gets.

 

[Luckylucci]

They've seen 4 I believe. Said they saw basically nothing in the last one it was so short and the first one was same Phil from last year. 4-2=2. Although I guess if it's 3 good practices we can go ahead and make him a day 2 draft pick.

Well, I have no part in this debate about anointing him a day 2 draft pick but these are also not the only good practices he's ever had. And by all accounts he's been good on all days except one. Including being named offensive player of the day by BK on one of the days not seen by the media. And that isn't surprising to some as he's been playing a lot better.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

They've seen 4 I believe. Said they saw basically nothing in the last one it was so short and the first one was same Phil from last year. 4-2=2. Although I guess if it's 3 good practices we can go ahead and make him a day 2 draft pick.

No, no one said he was a day 2 draft pick. They said he appears more ready to take snaps at this point. Kizer looked like dogsh*t until he came in for the Virginia game and bombed one to Fuller and then his confidence grew.

Every beat writer has said they feel much more comfortable with Phil now that he has some confidence. You can see it in his footwork, release and general comfort as an ND QB. He's turned the corner.

We're not saying more or less than that. We want to see him start to get some game reps so he can continue to grow and put us in a good position should an injury arise (or to get him ready for next season).

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Book took a team to the playoffs and set the record for completion percentage.

Wait, what? Lol.

Someone mentioned that Phil had a bad day 1.
I added that both QBs looked rusty, per the media, on day 1.

I never said one is better than the other. I'm stating that Phil's "bad day" was also a "bad day" for Ian. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[snoopdog]

Um, Kizer was pretty darn good. Sure, he had some ill-advised decisions here and there, but he wasn't the problem with those teams... (I'm looking at you, BVG)

I was looking at it from a team record perspective.

I don't think PJ would every allow a ND team he was a starting QB to go 4-8.

Also I give him the edge in athleticism over Kizer.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Um, Kizer was pretty darn good. Sure, he had some ill-advised decisions here and there, but he wasn't the problem with those teams... (I'm looking at you, BVG)

Anybody else ever think that the 2015 team was a decent DC away from being national champs that year? It's unbelievable how much talent was on that D and for it to be that mediocre.

 

[PANDFAN]

Anybody else ever think that the 2015 team was a decent DC away from being national champs that year? It's unbelievable how much talent was on that D and for it to be that mediocre.

plenty of discussion on this in the BVG is a gangsta thread, lets keep this 2019

 

[ulukinatme]

Wait, are we really talking about PJ when we have an experienced QB that has taken us to the Playoffs? This is why we can't have nice things!

 

[Riddickulous]

Is Jafar Armstrong the clear #1 back or is it more of a 1a/1b situation with Tony Jones?

 

[Luckylucci]

Is Jafar Armstrong the clear #1 back or is it more of a 1a/1b situation with Tony Jones?

Sounds like it's definitely 1a/1b and some think it might be Jones/Jafar.